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RE: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
FTE 97up - Amsoil Filter
FTE 97up - 460 HP
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
FTE 97up - Re: Amsoil filter
Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak
FTE 97up - shop air
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
RE: FTE 97up - shop air
Re: FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak
Re: FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak
Re: FTE 97up - shop air

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:33:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

Man I should've got the V-10, I have 97, 4.6L, 4X4, XLT and I get max 10 mile per
gallon. If I drive 75-80 I'll get around 9 a gallon. For I while I thought there is
something wrong with the truck, but when I took it to the dealer. He told me that I
should get around 11-12 with the 4.6L and 10-11 with the 5.4L. We didn't talk about
the V-10, but I thought It will be around 7-8 MPG. That's why I was glad that I've got
the 4.6L.

> Sounds about what I get. I have a '99 V-10 F250 SD CC w/ 3.73 (about 8000
> miles) and tow a 7000 lbs trailer (loaded) 30' bumper hitch trailer. Last
> trip was to the "mountains" of western PA and back and I averaged 65-70mph
> and got 9+ mpg. Best was 9.7. Still think I can get better than 10 if I
> would keep to 60-65. I have a short bed w/ the 28 gallon tank and wish I
> had the larger tank that comes with the long bed for better range between
> fill ups. Best highway w/o trailer so far is just under 15 doing 70-75 mph
> on relatively flat highway (route 95 south to Georgia)
>
> >>> "Craig, Dennis" intel.com> 12/27/99 12:46PM >>>
> I have 4.30 and a V-10 F250 SD CC. I tow a 28 foot bumper hitch trailer,
> with slide out, and it tips the scales at 8300 pounds. Add three thumpers
> (dirt bikes) and all of our gear in the bed we push 10000 easily. I spent
> the summer (9 weeks) running around Yosemite, Redwoods, Wyoming, Montana.
> I
> got 8.5mpg when I ran at 63mph or so, gas mileage goes down from there
> because of the gearing. And of course I ran it down I-5 at just under
> 80mhp,
> so the mileage dropped off to 7.7 and depending on my passing as low as
> 7.0.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:33:29 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Amsoil Filter

I have the same problem with my wife's 1998 F150. I have not decided a
location yet. I'll look this afternoon and post back what I may find. I'm
thinking behind the front bumper near to the original remote filter is
located.

On my 1999 F350 I mounted the Dual Bypass system under the driver's side
front floor. Easy location to mount(without drilling the body).

I'll let you know.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:45:47 -0500
From: "Douglas Petschow" metlife.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 460 HP

Just curoius does anyone know how much HP the Ford 7.5 liter (89 in particular)
put out? TIA!




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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:00:13 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

Hunter wrote:
>
> Man I should've got the V-10, I have 97, 4.6L, 4X4, XLT and I get max 10 mile per
> gallon. If I drive 75-80 I'll get around 9 a gallon. For I while I thought there is
> something wrong with the truck, but when I took it to the dealer. He told me that I
> should get around 11-12 with the 4.6L and 10-11 with the 5.4L. We didn't talk about
> the V-10, but I thought It will be around 7-8 MPG. That's why I was glad that I've got
> the 4.6L.
>

Hunter,

I have a 2000 F-150 XLT SC 4x4 4.6 w/5spd. My running
average is 12.37 MPG This is 3700 miles HWY and 3200 miles
City. I got 10-12 mpg towing a 99 Explorer Sport at
60-70mph. Highway at 70-75 mph I get 12-15 mpg. You seem
to be just a tad on the low side. Maybe because you have an
automatic.

Regards

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:44:08 -0800
From: RICK KANE netzero.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Amsoil filter

Had same problem with my 99.5 F-250 PSD and ended up mounting filter to
frame rail below driver's seat. Worked out well.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:20 -0600
From: bull8 mail.unionsemiconductor.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> When I ordered the truck
> I was going to go with the 4.10's but I figured
> ahh what the heck I'll just go with 3.73's.
> So here I am wishing I had 4.10's..........

Can you get the 4:10's or 4:30's on a SRW Super Duty?
I thought you needed the DRW's.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:04:31 -0700
From: "Brandon Adams" asu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

Hunter, This is only one case . I have a 2000 F250 4x4 V10 CC 3.73 gears
and I am averaging around 10.8mpg. I only have 2500 miles on it yet, so
maybe it will get better. I have also towed a load of 2000 lbs (not much I
admit) but I got 10 mpg. Which I was happy with.

Brandon

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From: Hunter yahoo.com>
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Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10


>Man I should've got the V-10, I have 97, 4.6L, 4X4, XLT and I get max 10
mile per
>gallon. If I drive 75-80 I'll get around 9 a gallon. For I while I thought
there is
>something wrong with the truck, but when I took it to the dealer. He told
me that I
>should get around 11-12 with the 4.6L and 10-11 with the 5.4L. We didn't
talk about
>the V-10, but I thought It will be around 7-8 MPG. That's why I was glad
that I've got
>the 4.6L.
>
>> Sounds about what I get. I have a '99 V-10 F250 SD CC w/ 3.73 (about
8000
>> miles) and tow a 7000 lbs trailer (loaded) 30' bumper hitch trailer.
Last
>> trip was to the "mountains" of western PA and back and I averaged
65-70mph
>> and got 9+ mpg. Best was 9.7. Still think I can get better than 10 if I
>> would keep to 60-65. I have a short bed w/ the 28 gallon tank and wish I
>> had the larger tank that comes with the long bed for better range between
>> fill ups. Best highway w/o trailer so far is just under 15 doing 70-75
mph
>> on relatively flat highway (route 95 south to Georgia)
>>
>> >>> "Craig, Dennis" intel.com> 12/27/99 12:46PM >>>
>> I have 4.30 and a V-10 F250 SD CC. I tow a 28 foot bumper hitch trailer,
>> with slide out, and it tips the scales at 8300 pounds. Add three thumpers
>> (dirt bikes) and all of our gear in the bed we push 10000 easily. I spent
>> the summer (9 weeks) running around Yosemite, Redwoods, Wyoming, Montana.
>> I
>> got 8.5mpg when I ran at 63mph or so, gas mileage goes down from there
>> because of the gearing. And of course I ran it down I-5 at just under
>> 80mhp,
>> so the mileage dropped off to 7.7 and depending on my passing as low as
>> 7.0.
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:38:15 EST
From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

My 97 F150 4x4 4.6L Auto Trans, with Superchip and 285/75/16(32.8") tires
get on average 13mpg in the city and 16mpg highway. Hunter, that sounds
pretty low for a stock 4.6L. Have you done the regular maintenance of the
trans, diff, fuel filter, cleaning the injectors, etc.? These may help your
mileage some.

Chris

>Hunter wrote:
> >
> > Man I should've got the V-10, I have 97, 4.6L, 4X4, XLT and I get max 10
>mile per
> > gallon. If I drive 75-80 I'll get around 9 a gallon. For I while I
>thought there is
> > something wrong with the truck, but when I took it to the dealer. He
>told me that I
> > should get around 11-12 with the 4.6L and 10-11 with the 5.4L. We
>didn't talk about
> > the V-10, but I thought It will be around 7-8 MPG. That's why I was
>glad that I've got
> > the 4.6L.
> >
>
>Hunter,
>
> I have a 2000 F-150 XLT SC 4x4 4.6 w/5spd. My running
>average is 12.37 MPG This is 3700 miles HWY and 3200 miles
>City. I got 10-12 mpg towing a 99 Explorer Sport at
>60-70mph. Highway at 70-75 mph I get 12-15 mpg. You seem
>to be just a tad on the low side. Maybe because you have an
>automatic.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:55:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

Yeah, I have the Auto; Also, I have the flairside with the ORB. I think the air drag
got something to do with the truck being higher & all the curves in the bed.
Thanks jean, now I feel better.



> > Man I should've got the V-10, I have 97, 4.6L, 4X4, XLT and I get max 10 mile per
> > gallon. If I drive 75-80 I'll get around 9 a gallon. For I while I thought there
> is
> > something wrong with the truck, but when I took it to the dealer. He told me that
> I
> > should get around 11-12 with the 4.6L and 10-11 with the 5.4L. We didn't talk
> about
> > the V-10, but I thought It will be around 7-8 MPG. That's why I was glad that I've
> got
> > the 4.6L.
> >
> I have a 2000 F-150 XLT SC 4x4 4.6 w/5spd. My running
> average is 12.37 MPG This is 3700 miles HWY and 3200 miles
> City. I got 10-12 mpg towing a 99 Explorer Sport at
> 60-70mph. Highway at 70-75 mph I get 12-15 mpg. You seem
> to be just a tad on the low side. Maybe because you have an
> automatic.
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:01:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

I've just passed the 30,000 miles mark. I think I'll take your advice and go to the
dealer to do the 30K maintenance. Hopefully, I won't go broke after it....

> My 97 F150 4x4 4.6L Auto Trans, with Superchip and 285/75/16(32.8") tires
> get on average 13mpg in the city and 16mpg highway. Hunter, that sounds
> pretty low for a stock 4.6L. Have you done the regular maintenance of the
> trans, diff, fuel filter, cleaning the injectors, etc.? These may help your
> mileage some.
>
> Chris

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:11:55 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak

Greetings all-

I have a '97 Expedition 4x2 XLT which, over the past few months, has
developed a severe steering squeak. The squeak seems to be causing no
detriment to components, and steering feel is still great. However, the
loud squeak is not good when one wants to be stealthy. The noise occurs
lock-to-lock during steering, changing but not disappearing with turning
speed. It's not a power steering pump (I think) because once the turning
action is complete and the wheels are setting at a certain angle, the
squeak ends. Eventually, after a couple hundred miles worth of driving (in
warm weather), it quiets down. Also, the squeak appears not to be present
at high speeds, but I could just be missing it due to road noise, not to
mention that I'm not doing radical steering at 60mph ;-). Anyway, has
anyone had this problem on their vehicle? And, more importantly, does
anyone know how to cure this problem?

Thanks
Terry


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:19:14 -0800
From: "Ted Rodgers" email.msn.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - shop air

Finally got my large air compressor and would like to plumb my garage to
bring air to several points instead of dragging the air hose around. The
conventional solution seems to be galvanized pipe or copper, but I've heard
that some people have used plastic successfully, which might be easier to
install. I know they're not using Schedule 40 PVC or the like but is there
another readily available material which might be preferable?

Also, are 1/2 inch lines adequate for most any common air tools or should I
run 3/4 all the way from the compressor?

Anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks in advance for any advice or experience.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:07:28 EST
From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

Hunter,

For what it's worth, I have the flareside
too(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://97f1504x4.freeservers.com). I thought the same thing too that
maybe the curves cause a drag but have not done any research on it.

Chris


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>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10
>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:01:35 -0800 (PST)
>
>I've just passed the 30,000 miles mark. I think I'll take your advice and
>go to the
>dealer to do the 30K maintenance. Hopefully, I won't go broke after it....
>
> > My 97 F150 4x4 4.6L Auto Trans, with Superchip and 285/75/16(32.8")
>tires
> > get on average 13mpg in the city and 16mpg highway. Hunter, that sounds
> > pretty low for a stock 4.6L. Have you done the regular maintenance of
>the
> > trans, diff, fuel filter, cleaning the injectors, etc.? These may help
>your
> > mileage some.
> >
> > Chris
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:22:39 EST
From: Speir2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing 12k W/3.73 gears & V-10

In a message dated 12/28/99 11:07:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, AdamsB asu.edu
writes:

<< Hunter, This is only one case . I have a 2000 F250 4x4 V10 CC 3.73 gears
and I am averaging around 10.8mpg. I only have 2500 miles on it yet, so
maybe it will get better. I have also towed a load of 2000 lbs (not much I
admit) but I got 10 mpg. Which I was happy with.

Brandon
>>
I have a 99 Ford F250 HD PSD with over 28,000 miles I have kept a
record since purchased, the average mpg is 17.79, I have towed a
7,300 GVW TT about 25% of the time checking while towing it is
around 12 MPG small amount more or less each fillup, very seldom
less than 12 sometimes near 13 MPG.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:02 -0700
From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" apsc.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - shop air

Learn how to "sweat" copper, and use it. 1/2" is all you will need (most
fittings are 1/4" and 3/8", so there won't be much pressure loss over short
runs. Run a line to each of your shop doors, and install a valve and quick
disconnect fitting. Run a line overhead and install a auto-return hose reel
system. If possible, run an additional water line in parallel to some of
your pneumatic valves (water + air convenience). Consider putting isolation
valves on each branch. Consider installing a branch to the outside of the
building.

PVC may be cheap, but it will look unprofessional. Breaks easily if not
buried. The external size is larger for PVC than copper. PVC valves are
rated for water, not air, and will more than likely leak by. You have to
convert from PVC to copper/brass at your "hard points" anyway.

Finally, hang a 50' hose (with quick disconnects) at hear "hose
station".

Good luck.




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From: Ted Rodgers [ mailto:rodgers356email.msn.com
email.msn.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 10:19
To: vintage; 356; Truck
Subject: FTE 97up - shop air


Finally got my large air compressor and would like to plumb my garage to
bring air to several points instead of dragging the air hose around. The
conventional solution seems to be galvanized pipe or copper, but I've heard
that some people have used plastic successfully, which might be easier to
install. I know they're not using Schedule 40 PVC or the like but is there
another readily available material which might be preferable?

Also, are 1/2 inch lines adequate for most any common air tools or should I
run 3/4 all the way from the compressor?

Anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks in advance for any advice or experience.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:00:05 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak

tvsjrsprynet.com wrote:
>
> Greetings all-
>
> I have a '97 Expedition 4x2 XLT which, over the past few months, has
> developed a severe steering squeak. The squeak seems to be causing no
> detriment to components, and steering feel is still great. However, the
> loud squeak is not good when one wants to be stealthy. The noise occurs
> lock-to-lock during steering, changing but not disappearing with turning
> speed. It's not a power steering pump (I think) because once the turning
> action is complete and the wheels are setting at a certain angle, the
> squeak ends. Eventually, after a couple hundred miles worth of driving (in
> warm weather), it quiets down. Also, the squeak appears not to be present
> at high speeds, but I could just be missing it due to road noise, not to
> mention that I'm not doing radical steering at 60mph ;-). Anyway, has
> anyone had this problem on their vehicle? And, more importantly, does
> anyone know how to cure this problem?
>
> Thanks
> Terry
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Terry,

Have you checked the belt for stretching or glazing?

Regards

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:11:35 -0600
From: tvsjrsprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Expedition steering squeak

If you are referring to the serpentine belt, then yes, it was replaced
about 25K miles ago. This is definitely something directly related to the
steering system.

Terry

>Terry,
>
> Have you checked the belt for stretching or glazing?
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:35:23 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - shop air

>Finally got my large air compressor and would like to plumb my garage to
>bring air to several points instead of dragging the air hose around. The
>conventional solution seems to be galvanized pipe or copper, but I've heard
>that some people have used plastic successfully, which might be easier to
>install. I know they're not using Schedule 40 PVC or the like but is there
>another readily available material which might be preferable?

Yes, there is a special blue pipe that we use at work, easy to assemble
(standard PVC/ABS glue), takes standard fittings, etc. I just wish I knew
where to get it right now (work is closed for the Holidays, so...) It was
more $$$ then PVC (which is a -really- bad idea), but ever so much cheaper
then copper or iron. It's fully rated and safe for exposure (else it
wouldn't be used at a Navy base, were inspectors from half a dozen
different offices watch for safety violations)

I have a neighbor that has used PVC, I keep waiting for it to imbrittle
and break. Probably when the 5hp two-stage has the system fully charged,
but he isn't around to turn it off, either that or it will be while he is
using it.

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