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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights
FTE 97up - Re: $450 for The 30K Mile Service
FTE 97up - lugnuts
FTE 97up - Re: 30k sevice
FTE 97up - Re: Trailer tow mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights
FTE 97up - test please disregard
Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights
FTE 97up - Test
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's
FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's
Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's
Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's
FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:53:02 -0500
From: Stan Wright hpcisp.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights

The part numbers for the lenses are F81Z-13731-AA and they are $6.93 each. I
picked up mine last week.

daldred epsilon.com wrote:

> I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT doors. I
> just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light".
> My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are on the
> Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my
> door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I also am
> considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a much
> greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford -diesel. com
> so if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them next
> week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck
> was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150.
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:03:27 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: $450 for The 30K Mile Service

Keith,

RTFM, hombre. The 30K service is a major service. I believe the owner's
manual says, for instance, change coolant, among many, many other things. Be
glad you don't have a diesel. That costs closer to $800.

IMHO, the reason for the extensive preventive maintenance checks and services
at 30K miles is to keep your truck running trouble free for as long as
possible. Furthermore, Ford has found through long years of experience that
doing these major things every 30K miles reduces warranty claims. BTW,
you'll find that this repeats at 60, 90, 120K miles, etc.

For a small investment you can buy a shop manual (if you need it) and do the
majority of the work yourself before going to the shop. Then, assuming
you've RTFM, you can tell them you don't want the 30K service, just do
whatever specific things remain to be done.

As a guy who spent well over 30 years in the preventive maintenance game I
can tell you it's cheap at the price. The exception is if you are a person
who gets rid of the vehicle every couple of years or so. Then you just pass
on the neglect to the next owner.

Regards and happy holidays,

Butch
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:23:50 -0600
From: "Doug Pogatetz" mw.3com.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - lugnuts

You should be able to have a Ford dealer run the VIN number. This will say
if your truck has had the recall taken care of. There was also something
with a transmission cable also.

Doug

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Not a bad deal on your exhaust. What was the recall on the lugnuts for? I
have seen some discussion on this but never saw any specifics. I bought a 97
about six weeks ago and was wondering. A new design? How do I know if I
have the updated pieces?

Thanks .


> Yes this was a technical service bulletin I too had the same issue on my
1997
> F150 Supercab. The exhaust is not routed this way anymore from the factory.
>
> This was called to my attention when I ordered a Catback stainless steel
> exhaust
> system from Gibson.
>
> I persued the issue with my local Ford dealer. I didn't buy it from them
but
> they have great service.
>
> After all was said and done, the service manager agreed to pay for the
> complete
> price of my Catback stainless steel exhaust system from Gibson! This was a
> pleasant surprise. I expected maybe 50%. Of course I didn't get the check
> yet,
> but I have faith.
>
> BTW I did have my lugnuts changed as well.\

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:21:15 -0600
From: Guy Thomas okvotech.org>
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 30k sevice

I went ballistic when I saw my bill on a 98 F150 4x4, almost $400.
There was a lengthy list of services performed. However, the charges
were way out of line when compared to places like quick lub,
transmission service place etc.. For future major services; I will
review requirements and the Ford dealership will only perform those I
can not reasonably obtain elsewhere.

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:06:24 -0800
From: "Harald" foxinternet.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Trailer tow mirrors

I've been annoyed with the crooked gluing of the convex mirror on the
drivers side of my super duty also. I did a interim fix by gently prying
the lower and inboard sections of the mirror out and inserting black painted
shims. It points at a usable angle now. For a more complete fix, go to
www.ford -diesel. com and look for the section where they have detailed
instructions with pictures for disassembling the mirror and fixing it.

Harald


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:12:23 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights

In a message dated 12/23/99 1:18:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
daldred epsilon.com writes:

ok, well i am going to check my XLT side doors today, what kind of bulb do
they take?

I think someone said a while ago but i forgot what it was.

thanks
RS

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I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT doors. I
just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light".
My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are on
the
Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my
door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I also am
considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a much
greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be greatly
appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford-diesel.com
so if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them next
week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck
was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150.


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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:29:15 -0500
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights

Speaking of light sockets, my 99 crew cab XLT has working lights in the
front doors but the read doors have no socket and it looks like the door
panel is molded with little or no well space for one. I was wondering if
the Lariat's come with lighted rear door panels or if they to only have
functional front lights? Anyone know?
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>The part numbers for the lenses are F81Z-13731-AA and they are $6.93 each.
I
>picked up mine last week.
>
>daldredepsilon.com wrote:
>
>> I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT
doors. I
>> just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light".
>> My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are
on the
>> Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my
>> door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I
also am
>> considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a
much
>> greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be
greatly
>> appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford-diesel.com
>> so if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them
next
>> week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck
>> was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150.
>>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:17:03 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's

No unfortunatly I have the 3.73 ratio....

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RS
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Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with
the 5.4 engine?
If so how did it effect performance and
mpg's?

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:11:48 -0600
From: Perry Klein prudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's

I have 33" with the v-10 and 3.73's and I'm wishing I had 4:10 or 4:30's.
I don't think it would be a good towing rig and you'll most likely notice a
problem on big hills.
hope that helps

pk





> Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with
> the 5.4 engine?
> If so how did it effect performance and
> mpg's?


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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:43:42 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's

Thanks, yeah, it was a toss up between 35's
or 285/75/16's. The 35's look better with
the lift I'm putting on but without getting
a gear change I think I'm just going to
put 285's on my stock rims.
Using the formula for proper gear ratio
per tire size I should have at least a 4.10
ratio for the 35's. When I ordered the truck
I was going to go with the 4.10's but I figured
ahh what the heck I'll just go with 3.73's.
So here I am wishing I had 4.10's..........

Thanks
Vaughn



< or 4:30's. I don't think it would be a good towing rig and
you'll most likely notice a problem on big hills. hope that
helps>>

pk





> Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with
> the 5.4 engine?
> If so how did it effect performance and
> mpg's?


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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:19:44 -0800
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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's

I have 305-70R-16 Goodyear Wranglers on my 2000 v10, crew cab, 4x4,
longbed with 3.73 and I tow a (when loaded) 12,000 lb Weekend Warrior
trailer with little problem. I cruise at 65-70 on straights and can
still pass whebn needed. Also, on hills I don't have any problems. I
generally just cruise on long or steep grades, but never really drop to
a speed which I consider too slow. Gas mileage. I didn't buy the truck
and expect to get great gas mileage. But, I'm happy with the range I
get on trips. My friend has a 99 with 4.30 gearing and 35" BFG's. He
gets less than 9 mpg when towing his trailer of only 7,500 lbs. I know
I get better than that. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:41:45 -0600
From: Perry Klein prudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's

Man you've got quite a bit more truck than I do.
I have 285 / 75 R16 's I'm pretty sure that is roughly 33", 32.8 " I think.

The heaviest thing I ever pull is a 28' Bayliner trophy they say it weighs
7600 dry. So with 240 gallons of fuel (approx 1,440 lbs), 30 gal water,
anchor, chain, road, oil, food,rods, gear ect, ect it's probably pushing
10,000 lbs. The paper work that came with the trailer says it weighs in at
2200 so I'm pretty sure that I'm around 12 K but have never weighed it.
The truck is a super cab long bed with v-10, auto, and 3.73 ls rear
end. It weighs right at 7000 lbs with two people and a full tank of
gas. My truck certainly doesn't get 9 mpg when towing more like 5 or 6 if
lucky. I don't even get 9 mph driving around town. The only way I get
anywhere near that is on long trips with the cruse control set at 55 - 65
mph, no stop and go. It gets over hills but it drags down to 40-45 mph
while towing. I would never consider passing anything on a two lane road.
The thing is huge I think from the back of the merc's to the hitch is 38
feet then around 20 feet of truck.

I my opinion I'm right at if not a little over what I should be pulling
with the truck I have. My hitch isn't even rated for 12k and it is the
heaviest I could find with out going fifth wheel style.

What about the rest of you that tow with V-10's ? Is my ride a dog ?




>I have 305-70R-16 Goodyear Wranglers on my 2000 v10, crew cab, 4x4,
>longbed with 3.73 and I tow a (when loaded) 12,000 lb Weekend Warrior
>trailer with little problem. I cruise at 65-70 on straights and can
>still pass whebn needed. Also, on hills I don't have any problems. I
>generally just cruise on long or steep grades, but never really drop to
>a speed which I consider too slow. Gas mileage. I didn't buy the truck
>and expect to get great gas mileage. But, I'm happy with the range I
>get on trips. My friend has a 99 with 4.30 gearing and 35" BFG's. He
>gets less than 9 mpg when towing his trailer of only 7,500 lbs. I know
>I get better than that. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:24:29 EST
From: RSnoviaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's

In a message dated 12/23/99 11:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kleinprudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com writes:


dude you got a dog .I got 285 bfg mud terrains and it still moves pretty
darn good loaded, i had 2K lbs of trees in the back yesterday and it still
flew. Oops, must be that whistle under the hood. It actually was squatting
a bit!

I think you need to check trailer for distribution of weight and air
pressure. is yours SRW or DRW?

RS


<<
Man you've got quite a bit more truck than I do.
I have 285 / 75 R16 's I'm pretty sure that is roughly 33", 32.8 " I think.

The heaviest thing I ever pull is a 28' Bayliner trophy they say it weighs
7600 dry. So with 240 gallons of fuel (approx 1,440 lbs), 30 gal water,
anchor, chain, road, oil, food,rods, gear ect, ect it's probably pushing
10,000 lbs. The paper work that came with the trailer says it weighs in at
2200 so I'm pretty sure that I'm around 12 K but have never weighed it.
The truck is a super cab long bed with v-10, auto, and 3.73 ls rear
end. It weighs right at 7000 lbs with two people and a full tank of
gas. My truck certainly doesn't get 9 mpg when towing more like 5 or 6 if
lucky. I don't even get 9 mph driving around town. The only way I get
anywhere near that is on long trips with the cruse control set at 55 - 65
mph, no stop and go. It gets over hills but it drags down to 40-45 mph
while towing. I would never consider passing anything on a two lane road.
The thing is huge I think from the back of the merc's to the hitch is 38
feet then around 20 feet of truck.

I my opinion I'm right at if not a little over what I should be pulling
with the truck I have. My hitch isn't even rated for 12k and it is the
heaviest I could find with out going fifth wheel style.

What about the rest of you that tow with V-10's ? Is my ride a dog ?

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:06 -0600
From: Perry Klein prudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's

Don't get me wrong 2 k worth of load is a breeze, almost a joke especially
if it is in the box.
I've towed a 20" Campion ( little open boat ), and it's like it isn't even
there.

12k however is quit a different story. My boat and truck together are
approaching 20 thousand pounds.
How many of you have actually hauled something this big and are you really
getting higher than 9 mpg?





>dude you got a dog .I got 285 bfg mud terrains and it still moves pretty
>darn good loaded, i had 2K lbs of trees in the back yesterday and it still
>flew. Oops, must be that whistle under the hood. It actually was squatting
>a bit!
>
>I think you need to check trailer for distribution of weight and air
>pressure. is yours SRW or DRW?
>


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