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From: owner-97up-list-digest To: 97up-list-digest Subject: 97up-list-digest V2 #344 Reply-To: 97up-list Sender: owner-97up-list-digest Errors-To: owner-97up-list-digest Precedence: bulk 97up-list-digest Friday, December 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 344 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights FTE 97up - Re: $450 for The 30K Mile Service FTE 97up - lugnuts FTE 97up - Re: 30k sevice FTE 97up - Re: Trailer tow mirrors Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights FTE 97up - test please disregard Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights FTE 97up - Test Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:53:02 -0500 From: Stan Wright Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights The part numbers for the lenses are F81Z-13731-AA and they are $6.93 each. I picked up mine last week. daldred > I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT doors. I > just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light". > My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are on the > Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my > door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I also am > considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a much > greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford -diesel. com > so if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them next > week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck > was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:03:27 EST From: JDavis1277 Subject: FTE 97up - Re: $450 for The 30K Mile Service Keith, RTFM, hombre. The 30K service is a major service. I believe the owner's manual says, for instance, change coolant, among many, many other things. Be glad you don't have a diesel. That costs closer to $800. IMHO, the reason for the extensive preventive maintenance checks and services at 30K miles is to keep your truck running trouble free for as long as possible. Furthermore, Ford has found through long years of experience that doing these major things every 30K miles reduces warranty claims. BTW, you'll find that this repeats at 60, 90, 120K miles, etc. For a small investment you can buy a shop manual (if you need it) and do the majority of the work yourself before going to the shop. Then, assuming you've RTFM, you can tell them you don't want the 30K service, just do whatever specific things remain to be done. As a guy who spent well over 30 years in the preventive maintenance game I can tell you it's cheap at the price. The exception is if you are a person who gets rid of the vehicle every couple of years or so. Then you just pass on the neglect to the next owner. Regards and happy holidays, Butch == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:23:50 -0600 From: "Doug Pogatetz" Subject: FTE 97up - lugnuts You should be able to have a Ford dealer run the VIN number. This will say if your truck has had the recall taken care of. There was also something with a transmission cable also. Doug $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Not a bad deal on your exhaust. What was the recall on the lugnuts for? I have seen some discussion on this but never saw any specifics. I bought a 97 about six weeks ago and was wondering. A new design? How do I know if I have the updated pieces? Thanks . > Yes this was a technical service bulletin I too had the same issue on my 1997 > F150 Supercab. The exhaust is not routed this way anymore from the factory. > > This was called to my attention when I ordered a Catback stainless steel > exhaust > system from Gibson. > > I persued the issue with my local Ford dealer. I didn't buy it from them but > they have great service. > > After all was said and done, the service manager agreed to pay for the > complete > price of my Catback stainless steel exhaust system from Gibson! This was a > pleasant surprise. I expected maybe 50%. Of course I didn't get the check > yet, > but I have faith. > > BTW I did have my lugnuts changed as well.\ Doug == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:21:15 -0600 From: Guy Thomas Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 30k sevice I went ballistic when I saw my bill on a 98 F150 4x4, almost $400. There was a lengthy list of services performed. However, the charges were way out of line when compared to places like quick lub, transmission service place etc.. For future major services; I will review requirements and the Ford dealership will only perform those I can not reasonably obtain elsewhere. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:06:24 -0800 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Trailer tow mirrors I've been annoyed with the crooked gluing of the convex mirror on the drivers side of my super duty also. I did a interim fix by gently prying the lower and inboard sections of the mirror out and inserting black painted shims. It points at a usable angle now. For a more complete fix, go to www.ford -diesel. com and look for the section where they have detailed instructions with pictures for disassembling the mirror and fixing it. Harald "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:12:23 EST From: RSnovi Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights In a message dated 12/23/99 1:18:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, daldred ok, well i am going to check my XLT side doors today, what kind of bulb do they take? I think someone said a while ago but i forgot what it was. thanks RS << Subj: FTE 97up - Door Lights Date: 12/23/99 1:18:20 AM Eastern Standard Time From: daldred Sender: owner-97up-list Reply-to: ford-trucks.com">97up-list om To: 97up-list I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT doors. I just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light". My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are on the Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I also am considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a much greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford-diesel. comso if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them next week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:18:20 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:18:10 -0500 Received: (fordtruc 23 Dec 1999 01:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from notessmtp2.epsilon.com (gateway.epsilon.com [159.127.66.65]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id BAA08487; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:15:38 -0500 (EST) From: daldred X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host gateway.epsilon.com [159.127.66.65] claimed to be notessmtp2.epsilon.com Received: by notessmtp2.epsilon.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 8525684F.00777F9E ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:45:14 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPSILON To: 97up-list Message-ID: <8525684F.00777EDC.00 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:44:17 -0500 Subject: FTE 97up - Door Lights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-97up-list Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:13:32 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: FTE 97up - test please disregard Test of non HTML. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:29:15 -0500 From: "Steve J. Hodson" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights Speaking of light sockets, my 99 crew cab XLT has working lights in the front doors but the read doors have no socket and it looks like the door panel is molded with little or no well space for one. I was wondering if the Lariat's come with lighted rear door panels or if they to only have functional front lights? Anyone know? - -----Original Message----- From: Stan Wright To: 97up-list Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 8:53 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Lights >The part numbers for the lenses are F81Z-13731-AA and they are $6.93 each. I >picked up mine last week. > >daldred > >> I am one of the lucky SD owners who had the light sockets on my XLT doors. I >> just had to pop in a couple of light bulbs and "Let there be light". >> My question is does anyone have the part # for the clear lenses that are on the >> Lariats. I currently have the red lenses which are nice for opening my >> door in traffic situations but don't illuminate the area very well. I also am >> considering upgrading to the Lariat sun visors. They appear to cover a much >> greater area of the windshield. The part # for those would also be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks in advance. BTW I spend mucho time at ford-diesel. com>> so if there are any general PSD questions I'll do my best to answer them next >> week. I only have acces to the web on Mon, Tues, and Wed. My last truck >> was a 98 door cracked, piston slapped F150. >> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:29:45 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: FTE 97up - Test This is a test of non HTML. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:17:03 4 From: "Vaughn (VDB)" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's No unfortunatly I have the 3.73 ratio.... < RS << Subj: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's Date: 12/22/99 8:46:52 PM Eastern Standard Time From: wolf Sender: owner-97up-list Reply-to: HREF="mailto:97up-list om To: 97up-list Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with the 5.4 engine? If so how did it effect performance and mpg's? Thanks Vaughn == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:46:52 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:46:45 -0500 Received: (fordtruc UAA12883; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enter.net (root [63.65.0.16]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA12877; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:42:46 - -0500 (EST) Received: from cree (usrx2P-2-35.enter.net [207.18.9.45]) by smtp.enter.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04993 for <97up-list -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912230142.UAA04993 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Vaughn (VDB)" To: 97up-list Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-97up-list Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:11:48 -0600 From: Perry Klein Subject: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's I have 33" with the v-10 and 3.73's and I'm wishing I had 4:10 or 4:30's. I don't think it would be a good towing rig and you'll most likely notice a problem on big hills. hope that helps pk > Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with > the 5.4 engine? > If so how did it effect performance and > mpg's? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:43:42 4 From: "Vaughn (VDB)" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's Thanks, yeah, it was a toss up between 35's or 285/75/16's. The 35's look better with the lift I'm putting on but without getting a gear change I think I'm just going to put 285's on my stock rims. Using the formula for proper gear ratio per tire size I should have at least a 4.10 ratio for the 35's. When I ordered the truck I was going to go with the 4.10's but I figured ahh what the heck I'll just go with 3.73's. So here I am wishing I had 4.10's.......... Thanks Vaughn < or 4:30's. I don't think it would be a good towing rig and you'll most likely notice a problem on big hills. hope that helps>> pk > Has anybody put 35" tires on a SD with > the 5.4 engine? > If so how did it effect performance and > mpg's? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:19:44 -0800 From: David & Laura Manuel Subject: Re: FTE 97up - - 5.4 and 35's I have 305-70R-16 Goodyear Wranglers on my 2000 v10, crew cab, 4x4, longbed with 3.73 and I tow a (when loaded) 12,000 lb Weekend Warrior trailer with little problem. I cruise at 65-70 on straights and can still pass whebn needed. Also, on hills I don't have any problems. I generally just cruise on long or steep grades, but never really drop to a speed which I consider too slow. Gas mileage. I didn't buy the truck and expect to get great gas mileage. But, I'm happy with the range I get on trips. My friend has a 99 with 4.30 gearing and 35" BFG's. He gets less than 9 mpg when towing his trailer of only 7,500 lbs. I know I get better than that. Let me know if you have any questions. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:41:45 -0600 From: Perry Klein Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's Man you've got quite a bit more truck than I do. I have 285 / 75 R16 's I'm pretty sure that is roughly 33", 32.8 " I think. The heaviest thing I ever pull is a 28' Bayliner trophy they say it weighs 7600 dry. So with 240 gallons of fuel (approx 1,440 lbs), 30 gal water, anchor, chain, road, oil, food,rods, gear ect, ect it's probably pushing 10,000 lbs. The paper work that came with the trailer says it weighs in at 2200 so I'm pretty sure that I'm around 12 K but have never weighed it. The truck is a super cab long bed with v-10, auto, and 3.73 ls rear end. It weighs right at 7000 lbs with two people and a full tank of gas. My truck certainly doesn't get 9 mpg when towing more like 5 or 6 if lucky. I don't even get 9 mph driving around town. The only way I get anywhere near that is on long trips with the cruse control set at 55 - 65 mph, no stop and go. It gets over hills but it drags down to 40-45 mph while towing. I would never consider passing anything on a two lane road. The thing is huge I think from the back of the merc's to the hitch is 38 feet then around 20 feet of truck. I my opinion I'm right at if not a little over what I should be pulling with the truck I have. My hitch isn't even rated for 12k and it is the heaviest I could find with out going fifth wheel style. What about the rest of you that tow with V-10's ? Is my ride a dog ? >I have 305-70R-16 Goodyear Wranglers on my 2000 v10, crew cab, 4x4, >longbed with 3.73 and I tow a (when loaded) 12,000 lb Weekend Warrior >trailer with little problem. I cruise at 65-70 on straights and can >still pass whebn needed. Also, on hills I don't have any problems. I >generally just cruise on long or steep grades, but never really drop to >a speed which I consider too slow. Gas mileage. I didn't buy the truck >and expect to get great gas mileage. But, I'm happy with the range I >get on trips. My friend has a 99 with 4.30 gearing and 35" BFG's. He >gets less than 9 mpg when towing his trailer of only 7,500 lbs. I know >I get better than that. Let me know if you have any questions. >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:24:29 EST From: RSnovi Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's In a message dated 12/23/99 11:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Klein dude you got a dog .I got 285 bfg mud terrains and it still moves pretty darn good loaded, i had 2K lbs of trees in the back yesterday and it still flew. Oops, must be that whistle under the hood. It actually was squatting a bit! I think you need to check trailer for distribution of weight and air pressure. is yours SRW or DRW? RS << Man you've got quite a bit more truck than I do. I have 285 / 75 R16 's I'm pretty sure that is roughly 33", 32.8 " I think. The heaviest thing I ever pull is a 28' Bayliner trophy they say it weighs 7600 dry. So with 240 gallons of fuel (approx 1,440 lbs), 30 gal water, anchor, chain, road, oil, food,rods, gear ect, ect it's probably pushing 10,000 lbs. The paper work that came with the trailer says it weighs in at 2200 so I'm pretty sure that I'm around 12 K but have never weighed it. The truck is a super cab long bed with v-10, auto, and 3.73 ls rear end. It weighs right at 7000 lbs with two people and a full tank of gas. My truck certainly doesn't get 9 mpg when towing more like 5 or 6 if lucky. I don't even get 9 mph driving around town. The only way I get anywhere near that is on long trips with the cruse control set at 55 - 65 mph, no stop and go. It gets over hills but it drags down to 40-45 mph while towing. I would never consider passing anything on a two lane road. The thing is huge I think from the back of the merc's to the hitch is 38 feet then around 20 feet of truck. I my opinion I'm right at if not a little over what I should be pulling with the truck I have. My hitch isn't even rated for 12k and it is the heaviest I could find with out going fifth wheel style. What about the rest of you that tow with V-10's ? Is my ride a dog ? >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:06 -0600 From: Perry Klein Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 and 35's Don't get me wrong 2 k worth of load is a breeze, almost a joke especially if it is in the box. I've towed a 20" Campion ( little open boat ), and it's like it isn't even there. 12k however is quit a different story. My boat and truck together are approaching 20 thousand pounds. How many of you have actually hauled something this big and are you really getting higher than 9 mpg? >dude you got a dog .I got 285 bfg mud terrains and it still moves pretty >darn good loaded, i had 2K lbs of trees in the back yesterday and it still >flew. Oops, must be that whistle under the hood. It actually was squatting >a bit! > >I think you need to check trailer for distribution of weight and air >pressure. is yours SRW or DRW? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 97up-list-digest V2 #344 ******************************* +------ Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans ------+ | Send posts to 97up-list | List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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