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------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 137 Today's Topics: Re: Paint Schemes [Daver ] Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc [Niqjh Why did HP ratings drop in '72? [John Strauss '61 Unibody rear bumper? [John Strauss brake lights coming on by themselves [John Strauss Engine casting #'s ["Jason C. Ligo" thanks [Jeff Hazewinkel Valve Cover Gaskets [Keith Srb ] Re: JCWhitney Quality (was Re: 302 t [Jeff Hazewinkel Fwd: Paint Schemes [KPalmer Re: brake lights coming on by themse [petunia Re: Paint Schemes [Barry Price Re: Valve Cover Gaskets [Ken Payne ] Re: 302 to 429 ["The Zahns" Re: Five Star Extra components [TNickolson Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc [TNickolson Re: thanks, 47 flathead starting, he [JRFiero Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc [JRFiero Re: Why did HP ratings drop in '72? [Daver ] Re: brake lights coming on by themse [Daver ] 98 Dualie truck [Wang456 RE: Flathead Starting [RICHARD_GARBER Re: Valve Cover Gaskets ["Britt" ] ADMIN: Security/copyright problems [Ken Payne ] Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:40:28 -0500 From: Daver To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Paint Schemes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Freyburger wrote: > > I have a 1967 short bed, custom cab and would like to find some of the > orginal color paint designs.. If any one has any ideals I would > appreciate it. > Jim Mine was originally sky blue with a white top. Molater Daver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Niqjh To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc Message-ID: Hi >From what books,etc Ive got, 10 leafs was standard for the 51 F1. No helpers optional from Ford, but could be easily added. Ive got a 50 F2 that has helpers added, and used to have a 51 F2 that also had helpers. The stock springs are SO stiff, its hard to imagine someone adding MORE springs, but both the old Ford Ive owned had them. Come to think of it, one of the 67 F100s Ive owned had them too. My 50 F2 rides like a buckboard, Im hoping radial tires will help a little. Good Luck Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:14:22 -0500 From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: Why did HP ratings drop in '72? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >John or one of the other guys in the know can correct me if I am wrong >but I believe the reason the 72 numbers droped of was because ford went >from rating horse power and tork at the flywheel to rating it at the >back wheel thus showing the loss through the drive train. I believe the >federal goverment made all the mfg's do this to standardize the results. > Well, that's close. The power is still measured "at the flywheel" but the rating was changed from "gross" to "net". What this means basically is that the engine was rated as installed in the car, with all accessories and exhaust hooked up. The gross ratings were done on an engine stand with no accessories and open exhaust. It wouldn't be rated at the rear wheel because then all the various gear ratios and transmissions would have a different hp rating. If I remember correctly, this change was a preemptive strike by the auto manufacturers to slow the horsepower wars that were going on at that time because they were afraid of government regulation. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:14:24 -0500 From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: '61 Unibody rear bumper? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I would like to know if anyone out there has any idea what (if any) >the stock rear bumper looked like on a '61 F100 Custom Cab, Unibody >shortbed. Mine came with a pretty "unique" (read: homemade) one on >the back that was welded to the frame. If you do have some info for >me I sure would appreciate it.... and if you had a picture of the >back end and bumper setup of a stock '61 I would be very interested >in getting a look at it, too. I can "see" most scanned photo formats >if you have one to email me. Thanks in advance, > Eric, I've got one on my '61. You want a picture of it? It's chrome (which really looks out of place as my truck is not a Custom Cab) and is real skinny top to bottom with a depression in the middle, I guess for the license plate to show through. This bumper might be fairly rare as most trucks in those days either didn't have a bumper or had an iron one that was dealer installed (many times with the dealer's name/city stamped on them). I guess I am fairly lucky this way. Both of my trucks have Ford factory chrome rear bumpers (not step). Ford referred to these bumpers in those days as "contour bumpers". John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:14:26 -0500 From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: brake lights coming on by themselves Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody had a problem with their brake lights coming on by themselves? I have a '64 F100 and I can drive it home, park it, check the lights (they're off) and come back later and they will be on. I have even been walking up behind the truck and seen the lights come on by themselves. If I then go and stomp the brake pedal they go out. I have already replaced the brake light switch that screws into the master cylinder. When the lights are on, if I unplug either side of the switch, they go out. Anybody seen anything like this? I am considerering converting to a switch on the brake pedal. By the way I have the add-on power brake booster (I think it's a Bendix unit) if that makes any difference. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jason C. Ligo" To: FORDTRUCKS Subject: Engine casting #'s Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everybody! I'm presently rebuilding a 1955 Ford F-250 with a "cost clipper" 6. I'm trying to find ways in decoding the engine #'s and was wondering what publications are available in doing this. I'm certain that the engine is not original and am wondering if I really do have a truck engine installed. The numbers are from front of engine back...a big C with an F inside, next set...52 Z 4, next set... sunken in V followed by EBP-6015-F with a circle of numbers reading 1 9 5 7 (I believe 1957 model year) at the back of the block. Thanks for your help. Also, the VIN was tampered with at one point and time. Is there anything I can verify this truck's true year, such as frame tag, axle tag etc. was the VIN screwed in the glove box door or riveted. Thanks for all your help. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:43 -0500 From: Jeff Hazewinkel To: fordtrucks Subject: thanks Message-id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I want to thank everyone who offered advice on safely starting and running my 239 flathead V8 in my 47 One Ton. We were able to start it up this past weekend and run it for a while. It is very smooth and seems to be in excellent shape. Now the next step. The radiator hoses became somewhat warm during this short run. Is this common ? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:05:22 -0700 From: Keith Srb To: "'fordtrucks Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve cover gaskets, particularly, which material makes the best gaskets? I have to replace the valve cover gaskets on my vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do with the AZ Summers. Thanks ! >Keith Srb herbie >1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed. >1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box. >My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:01:28 -0500 From: Jeff Hazewinkel To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: JCWhitney Quality (was Re: 302 to 429) Message-id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information regarding their products. The wiring harness price would be very inviting. I am currently looking for prices for a harness for my 47 one ton and I would be interested in your opinion of the one you ordered when it arrives. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: KPalmer To: Fordtrucks Subject: Fwd: Paint Schemes Message-ID: I continue to get your mail! Im recieving at least 30 e-mails addressed to you in one day!! I just wanted you to know!! Kyle Palmer --------------------- Forwarded message: From: f150 Reply-to: fordtrucks To: fordtrucks Date: 97-06-15 23:38:47 EDT Jim Freyburger wrote: > > I have a 1967 short bed, custom cab and would like to find some of the > orginal color paint designs.. If any one has any ideals I would > appreciate it. > Jim Mine was originally sky blue with a white top. Molater Daver ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:46:44 +0000 From: petunia To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: brake lights coming on by themselves Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey John, > Anybody had a problem with their brake lights coming on by themselves? I > have a '64 F100 and I can drive it home, park it, check the lights (they're > off) and come back later and they will be on. I have even been walking up > behind the truck and seen the lights come on by themselves. If I then go > and stomp the brake pedal they go out. I have already replaced the brake > light switch that screws into the master cylinder. When the lights are on, > if I unplug either side of the switch, they go out. Anybody seen anything > like this? I am considerering converting to a switch on the brake pedal. >From your trouble shooting description above, if you move the switch location to the brake pedal, I think you will be masking the problem, not repairing it. On a braking system, I would personally be concerned about doing this "work around". This sounds like an easy problem, although it may take a little troubleshooting time to pinpoint. I have gone through my '61's braking system (both mechanics and electrics) a couple of months ago to fix my weird acting taillights, and I was surprised how simple of a system it really is. (My symptoms were different from your's, nonetheless, what I learned during that process should apply here). If you changed the switch with a new one that we'll assume is working (I hate to assume, though) it sounds like the piston in your master cylinder could be sitcking. As you probably know, the brake light switch operates on pressure..... if there's a certain amount of pressure "felt" in the master cylinder, then the switch will close and complete the brake light circuit and your brake lights will come on. (This is how my stock '61 is setup, anyhow.) The fact that you can come home, and a litttle while later the lights come on seem to indicate to me that pressure is builiding within your braking system. Now to determine why this pressure is building up is the million dollar question. Is the vent cap clean on the master cylinder? Heat from the engine compartment, when sitting stopped in the driveway, could be heating the unit up and causing the expasion of the fluid and if the cap's not venting, then pressure build up. When you then hit the brakes, you're moving the braking pisiton in the master cylinder, uncovering the machined orifices, and allowing the system to re-equalize itself...then the brake lights go off. I am not "hands-on familiar" with the vacuum assist brakes (mine are totally manual), but I do know the theory. You'd need some vacuum from a running engine plus a slightly depressed brake pedal before the vacuum assist would kick in. These items don't sound like they were included in the equasion that you described above. Maybe your brake pedal is hanging up in a slightly depressed state, but the engine vacuum is not there, so I don't think this scenerio is too likely. I'm speculating here, but could the switch you bought be the wrong one? Maybe a "totally manual" master cylinder switch is calibrated to activate at a sightly different pressure than one that is used on a vacuum assist master cylinder and/or your residual wheel cylinder pressure is hovering at almost the same brake activation pressure? I would guess my last buck that this is a brake system problem, and NOT an electrical one, (provided you can determine that the switch is the correct one). Why I say this is because before I got my truck, it's brake wiring was really botched up to "fix" a brake light problem. Well, to make a long story short, I went through it all and I found that the wiring was not the problem at all (well the wiring in the origional harness was fine, the hodgepodge wiring was another story!), it was the pressure switch and/or the master cylinder. If the suggestions in this email aren't the culprits, and if you're still having these problems, let me know. I can suggest a bunch of simple tests that you can perform to determine the problem. But remember, as "my" saying goes.... check the easy stuff first!! ;-) Just some thoughts. Hope this helps. Eric petunia erickson ================================== "Happy Days" 1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em Up Truck w/'59 292 ci Y-Block ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:12:22 -0700 From: Barry Price To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Paint Schemes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Freyburger wrote: > > I have a 1967 short bed, custom cab and would like to find some of the > orginal color paint designs.. If any one has any ideals I would > appreciate it. > Jim > According to my ford restoration book the following colors were available: Raven Black Marlin Blue Arcadian Blue Holly Green Caribbean Turquoise Springtime Yellow Chrome Yellow Rangoon Red Sahara Beige Wimbledon White* Pure White Note: The two-tone combinations consisted of any standard color plus Corinthian White (F-100 and F-250 series only). *The two-tone combinations consisted of Wimbledon White on the roof and around the cab back panel above the beltline, except with Special White or Chrome Yellow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:19:26 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:05 AM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve cover gaskets, >particularly, which material makes the best gaskets? I have to replace the >valve cover gaskets on my vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do >with the AZ Summers. > >Thanks ! > >>Keith Srb herbie >>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed. >>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box. >>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD!" > I tried rubber gaskets on my 390 when I bought new valve covers. Leaked, and yes, I did install them correctly. Went back to cork/rubber and no leaks. -Ken 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8 List Maintainer, send comments or suggestions to: kpayne Visit our web site (subscribe/unsubscribe forms are there): http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:09:06 -0700 From: "The Zahns" To: Subject: Re: 302 to 429 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:15:33 -0700 From: "C.D. Mutch" To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: 302 to 429 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's with you guys??? What ever happened to good old ingenuity and Ford parts know-how? Kits aren't always the way to go. Sure in some cases they might seem to be the easy way out... but in most cases, kits require some form of un-anticipated modification which was conveniently left out of the advertisement from which you purchased the kit. Assuming you're using the '79 frame (non 4X4) for your '56, Go with stock Ford parts. The 460 (same block as the 429) C-6 combination was a factory option in the ford 1/2 tons in '79. To make things simple... all you need are the factory frame mounts, motor mounts, tranny crossmember and mount, and driveshaft and wham bam thankya ma'am... your powertrain is installed in your frame. Your local Ford parts dealer as well as any respectable wrecker should be able to supply you with these parts. It's up to you to find the best deals. Besides fabricating your own goodies, this is what roddin' and restorin' is about. Seek and ye shall find. Best of luck. C.D. Mutch -- Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate. - ---------------------------- I put a 429 in my F350 years ago. I started with a 300-6. It was easier than I thought if you don't want to buy a kit. Change your towers to 300-6 or 390 v-8 type. then get a pair of 390 motor mounts. Line up the top hole with the top hole on a 429 motor mount and drill another hole where the bottom hole is on the 429 mount into the 390 mounts. attach these new mounts on the engine and lower it into the hole. they lined up perfectely for me. The transmission mount for my floor shift 4 speed fit the c6 perfectely too. I had to shorten the drive shaft. and or course new exaust system. Good Luck, Fred Z. 71 F350 89 E350 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: TNickolson To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Five Star Extra components Message-ID: We have talked before aboutthis subject before. I think I am almost finished on my 1952 Five Star Extra Pick up. 1. Both doors had keyed lock, the standard had only one lock on the passenger side. 2. The glove box door did have a keyed lock. 3. The "Extras" had a stainless steel divider bar between the vent window and roll up window and a stainless steel trim peice for the wind sheild. 4. The doors were as you described. This is the first time that I have heard of special horns, if you get any additional information about the horns, let me know. 5. The V8 was standard and had a larger clutch, 11 inch as opposed to 10 inch, I am not sure about this one, only what I have been told. Let me know if you find any literature on this subject. Every time I think I am finished I find something else I have to find. Thanks Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TNickolson To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc Message-ID: I don't know what "leaf helper" springs are but my 52 has a total of 10 leaf springs in the rear and 9 in the front. The front are shorter and more narrow than the rear. Does that help? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: thanks, 47 flathead starting, heat Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-16 11:25:57 EDT, you write: running my 239 flathead V8 in my 47 One Ton. We were able to start it up this past weekend and run it for a while. It is very smooth and seems to be in excellent shape. Now the next step. The radiator hoses became somewhat warm during this short run. Is this common ? >> Flatheads put out an amazing amount of heat, partially because they have something like 8' of exhaust port in the block. Does a '47 have the upper hose outlet in the middle of the head, or in the front? I know there were significant changes in 48, just can't remember which ones. Anyway, the middle of the block and head (front to back 'middle') is an area of concentrated heat, because you have the middle cylinders' siamesed exhaust ports running from just under the hose outlet to the outside of the block. I'd guess hoses becoming somewhat warm during a short run is indeed common. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-16 03:43:42 EDT, you write: helpers optional from Ford, >> I'm gradually building a library, so I'm real interested in what books or literature you have that speak of options and stock springs etc. Re adding helpers, I remember seeing add-on helpers before, but the ones on my truck bump up against these neat cast iron stops on the frame that look like they grew there. Wonder if someone could have swapped them from a bigger truck? Thanks for the response. I'll figure this thing out yet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:37:07 -0500 From: Daver To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Why did HP ratings drop in '72? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >John or one of the other guys in the know can correct me if I am wrong > >but I believe the reason the 72 numbers droped of was because ford went > >from rating horse power and tork at the flywheel to rating it at the > >back wheel thus showing the loss through the drive train. I believe the > >federal goverment made all the mfg's do this to standardize the results. > > > Well, that's close. The power is still measured "at the flywheel" but the > rating was changed from "gross" to "net". What this means basically is > that the engine was rated as installed in the car, with all accessories and > exhaust hooked up. The gross ratings were done on an engine stand with no > accessories and open exhaust. > > It wouldn't be rated at the rear wheel because then all the various gear > ratios and transmissions would have a different hp rating. I think I got that from some Whiny salesman. I Knew They had changed about that piriod and everyone said it was EPA stuff and I knew better. Oh well thanks. Molater Daver > If I remember correctly, this change was a preemptive strike by the auto > manufacturers to slow the horsepower wars that were going on at that time > because they were afraid of government regulation. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:41:19 -0500 From: Daver To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: brake lights coming on by themselves Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anybody had a problem with their brake lights coming on by themselves? I > have a '64 F100 and I can drive it home, park it, check the lights (they're > off) and come back later and they will be on. I have even been walking up > behind the truck and seen the lights come on by themselves. If I then go > and stomp the brake pedal they go out. I have already replaced the brake > light switch that screws into the master cylinder. When the lights are on, > if I unplug either side of the switch, they go out. Anybody seen anything > like this? I am considerering converting to a switch on the brake pedal. > > By the way I have the add-on power brake booster (I think it's a Bendix > unit) if that makes any difference. > > John Actually I had the same problem. It turned out the spring on the break pedal (over a piriod of time had lost tension and when I added my power unit it needed help so I added a spring that attached from the pedal to the dash. Molater Daver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Wang456 To: fordtrucks Subject: 98 Dualie truck Message-ID: Hi everyone, does anyone has any information, or where can I get some information on the 98 Ford dualies? as I heard they going to change the wheel to 19.5" 8 lug for the Super-duty, I know Accuride makes the wheel, any sugestions, besides contact Accuride, as I already did that> Thanks. Mikw Wang ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:33:34 -0400 From: RICHARD_GARBER To: FORDTRUCKS Subject: RE: Flathead Starting Message-Id: Item Subject: Text Item Jeff, I ran into a simular problem, My 54 F100 has a cost clipper 6, it had been sitting in a barn for 20 years. After removing the plugs and changing the oil, it would turn over fine but, with the plugs in would sound as if something was binding. To make a long story short, I found that mice had invaded the bell housing. They had almost filled it with seat cushion. Happy to annouce the motor runs perfect and the mice are gone. Rich PS: There is no resistor going to the coil and a direct connection to a 6 volt battery is fine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:44:13 From: "Britt" To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anybody got any tips they can share about replacing valve > cover gaskets, particularly, which material makes the best > gaskets? I have to replace the valve cover gaskets on my > vehicles every fall. I am sure it has something to do with the > AZ Summers. Are you using cork of neoprene based gaskets? On engines with hydraulic lifters (where I have little reason to remove the covers often) I favor premium cork based gaskets, sealed on both sides with a light coat of Permatex Aviation Hi-Tack gasket sealer. Be sure and scrape all old gasket residue off, then wipe the sealing surfaces down with a drying solvent such laquer thinner, acetone or denatured alcohol - this is neccessary to remove all of the oil film and allow the Hi-Tack to adhere properly. Let the Hi-Tack sit about 5 min. before assembly and don't overtorque the bolts. Do however go back and snug them up a bit the next day as these gaskets do compress. Works here in Florida! Page Britt 1973 Ford F100 Ranger XLT 390FE 1970 Ford Country Sedan 351W 1987 Suzuki Samurai 1.3 L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:57:46 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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