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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 136

Today's Topics:

302 to 429 [jstandle oregontrail.net ]
Re: 302 to 429 [Randall679 aol.com ]
RE: 302 to 429 [Kevin Kemmerer ]
429 Horse Power [jstandle oregontrail.net ]
Re: 302 to 429 [Ken Payne ]
JCWhitney Quality (was Re: 302 to 42 [JRFiero aol.com ]
Five Star Extra components [JRFiero aol.com ]
'51 GVWR, optional springs, etc [JRFiero aol.com ]
'61 F100 Rear Bumper ? [petunia indy.net ]
Re: 429 Horse Power [Daver ]
Re: 302 to 429 [Daver ]
Paint Schemes [Jim Freyburger
Re: 302 to 429 ["C.D. Mutch"
More gas tank stuff [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:05:47 +0000
From: jstandle oregontrail.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 302 to 429
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Does anyone know how much difficulty it is to swap from a small block
ford such as my 302, to a big block, like a 429. I know I need the
C-6 tranny to take the power. But must I change frame mounts???
do I need different ones? or could it be as simple as a dodge and
just change motor mounts?

Jordan - 1956 Ford F-100/1979 Chassis, 302 auto

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randall679 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 302 to 429
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I made this swap in a 1981 F 150 I had to change the mount towers to a 1983 F
250
because the was the only year after 80 that had a big block. Also changed the
oil pan to one from a ford van and made a lower radiator hose (if you change
the water pump you dont have to fight the hose. The transmission mount was
the same and I did not have to relocate it. the engine & trans. I used came
from a 1969 ltd.
Hope this helps

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:13:05 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
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Subject: RE: 302 to 429
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try calling L & L at 214-475-5202 in rowlet texas.
they ave a very comprehensive kit for what you are doing.

sleddog

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From: jstandle oregontrail.net[SMTP:jstandle oregontrail.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 7:05 PM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 302 to 429

Does anyone know how much difficulty it is to swap from a small block
ford such as my 302, to a big block, like a 429. I know I need the
C-6 tranny to take the power. But must I change frame mounts???
do I need different ones? or could it be as simple as a dodge and
just change motor mounts?

Jordan - 1956 Ford F-100/1979 Chassis, 302 auto


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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:47:38 +0000
From: jstandle oregontrail.net
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Could someone tell me what the horse power and torque rating is on a
1971 Ford 429 Stock, and a 1971 Ford 429 Police Interceptor motor, if
there is a difference between the too.

Jordan- 1956 Ford F-100

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:07:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne
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Subject: Re: 302 to 429
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At 11:05 PM 6/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know how much difficulty it is to swap from a small block
>ford such as my 302, to a big block, like a 429. I know I need the
>C-6 tranny to take the power. But must I change frame mounts???
>do I need different ones? or could it be as simple as a dodge and
>just change motor mounts?
>
>Jordan - 1956 Ford F-100/1979 Chassis, 302 auto
>

JC Whitney (of all places) has a 302 to big block "kit". Don't know
if its good though as some of their stuff is good but some is pure
crap.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:03:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: JCWhitney Quality (was Re: 302 to 429)
Message-ID:

Over the years I've dealt with JCWhitney numerous times. They do
advertise some real junk, but I can remember receiving junk. For Ford
Trucks, I've ordered and received (oh, 20 years ago) a complete wiring
harness for a '52 Panel, and front springs for the same. Yup, front leaf
springs, brand new, shipped by truck, for about what local re-arching would
cost, fit perfect and made all the difference in the world. The wiring
harness was made in Brazil, wasn't show quality with cloth braid, but it was
all there, came with a huge wiring diagram (probably 6' x 8' unfolded), and
had the correct wire guage for 6V. I also got a halogen interior light for
the back of the panel which put daytime back there, and some flushmount
backup lights switched from the dash, with all the necessary wire, and a cool
hand operated windshield washer kit. Little pump handle hung down below the
dash, a couple strokes worked like a charm. I've ordered motorcycle
accessories and received brand names, even tho those brand name weren't
listed in the catalogue. A friend ordered an MGA exhaust system and got an
Ansa, dirt cheap.
Back to the present - I just ordered a wiring harness for my '51 pickup
from them. Altogether (shipping, whatever) it cost $113. Compare that to
the $400+ from the various wire shops. I'm a little nervous, I'll let you
all know. I don't need show, I need go. Its back ordered to July 10 or so.
In the old days, they wouldn't let you know it was back ordered, now they
have real computers.
On a trip to Chicago from Mass, with my 52, I stopped at Whitney, called
Warshawsky at the time. Their retail store is like most parts stores, and
not a bargain. But, you could call local from the catalog, then go pick it
up the same day. standing right next to some guy paying full retail!

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:03:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Five Star Extra components
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We've had several posts over time about the Five Star Extra cabs of 51 -
52, commonly referred to as Custom Cabs, although the Custom Cab moniker
didn't come along until '53. I picked up some advertising literature at the
All Ford Nationals at Carlisle PA, and thought I'd pass along what I can
glean from it about what was included in the Extra package (all the trucks
were Five Stars - its the Extra that makes it 'custom'). Some of this is
also from "Ford Pickup Trucks - Development history and restoration guide,"
Paul McLaughlin, available from Classic Motorbooks.
I'm still not sure what all exactly was in the Extra package!
Book says the Extra had 'dual electric horns instead of a single horn,
foam-rubber seat padding, two-tone seat upholstery (vinyl and mohair), deluxe
door trim panels and a sound-deadening headliner that covered a fiberglass
pad. Other sound-deadening devices were used throughout the cab. The Extra
also used special door panel trim, bright window trim, door locks, armrests,
cigarette lighter and domelight with automatic door-control switches."
Literature says: * Extra riding ease, with foam rubber seat padding
* Extra insulation, with 1 1/2" glass wool in
roof.
* Extra looks, with features like chrome
windshied moulding
* Extra appointments, such as two-tone seat
upholstery, two door locks
*Extra conveniences . . . two sun visors, two
arm rests, cigar lighter, automatic dome light, many other extras.

Questions -
I've never seen one of these trucks with only one horn - has anyone?
Locks - I think the Five Star had a passenger side door lock, the Five
Star Extra had both doors. Any confirmation?
Did both year Extras have the chrome (stainless, whatever) dividing strip
between the roll up window and the windwing?
Do any of them have a 'bright' windwing frame?
Was a glove compartment lock one of the 'many other extras?' I saw a
glove compartment door with lock at Carlisle, for $100! Never saw one
before, but thought it was an outrageous price. I think that more and more
these days.
What were the 'many other extras?'
The All Truck Nationals is (are?) at Carlisle this coming weekend, 20th -
22nd. Search for Carlisle Productions on the web.


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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '51 GVWR, optional springs, etc
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I'm curious about how much customization a person ordering a new 1951 F1
might have been able to do. Specifically -
I have a '51 F1, missing the production plate. I have the VIN from the
patent plate on the firewall, and have decoded the info in the VIN. My books
say the F1 GVWR should be 4,700, BUT! I have this kick-ass pack of springs
under the bed, 10 leaf mains with 6 leaf helpers, all very stock looking.
They look like what I've seen described for an F-5. They're really
obnoxious, they hardly 'spring' at all.
I'm wondering if the proud original owner of this truck ordered it this
way, or some enterprising farmer toughened it up a bit. I kinda like the
originality of this truck, but I intend to drive it almost daily, and those
really won't cut it. If they might be original, I'll save them. I'm at
least taking off the helpers.
If anybody knows any ol' fart salesman who might have sold these puppies
new, I could spend a few hours talking with him (or her, but those were
sexist times).

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:30:01 +0000
From: petunia indy.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '61 F100 Rear Bumper ?
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Hi All,

I would like to know if anyone out there has any idea what (if any)
the stock rear bumper looked like on a '61 F100 Custom Cab, Unibody
shortbed. Mine came with a pretty "unique" (read: homemade) one on
the back that was welded to the frame. If you do have some info for
me I sure would appreciate it.... and if you had a picture of the
back end and bumper setup of a stock '61 I would be very interested
in getting a look at it, too. I can "see" most scanned photo formats
if you have one to email me. Thanks in advance,

Speaking of scanned photos, if anyone out there needs to actually see
some pictures of the '61 year truck (for reconstruction purposes
only... my truck isn't all that photogenic yet), I could email .jpegs
to you. I have access to a digital camera and I could snap a photo
or two of some particular setup that someone may need a visual of.
Maybe one of these days I'll put a homepage together to show my work
in progress..... one of these days...

Eric
petunia indy.net
erickson vitro.bloomington.in.us
==================================
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody Pick'em Up Truck
w/'59 292 ci Y-Block
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:14:46 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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>
> Could someone tell me what the horse power and torque rating is on a
> 1971 Ford 429 Stock, and a 1971 Ford 429 Police Interceptor motor, if
> there is a difference between the too.
>
> Jordan- 1956 Ford F-100
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
The 429 came in 3 flavors Standard 429 had 212 hp at 4400 RPM in 72 /320
hp at 4400 RPM prior to that in 2 bbl and 360 hp at 4600 RPM in 4bbl
version. The 429SC & SCJ had 375 hp at 5600 RPM. The 429 BOSS had 375
hp at 5200 RPM. My book shows them all to be around 480 ft-lbs tork at
2800 RPM except in 72 they were 327 at 2600 RPM.

John or one of the other guys in the know can correct me if I am wrong
but I believe the reason the 72 numbers droped of was because ford went
from rating horse power and tork at the flywheel to rating it at the
back wheel thus showing the loss through the drive train. I believe the
federal goverment made all the mfg's do this to standardize the results.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:21:19 -0500
From: Daver
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> At 11:05 PM 6/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Does anyone know how much difficulty it is to swap from a small block
> >ford such as my 302, to a big block, like a 429. I know I need the
> >C-6 tranny to take the power. But must I change frame mounts???
> >do I need different ones? or could it be as simple as a dodge and
> >just change motor mounts?
> >
> >Jordan - 1956 Ford F-100/1979 Chassis, 302 auto
> >
>
> JC Whitney (of all places) has a 302 to big block "kit". Don't know
> if its good though as some of their stuff is good but some is pure
> crap.

RB's Obsolete Automotive has the mounts the number to get the catalog is
(800)426-6607.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:06:03 -0700
From: Jim Freyburger
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Paint Schemes
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I have a 1967 short bed, custom cab and would like to find some of the
orginal color paint designs.. If any one has any ideals I would
appreciate it.
Jim

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:15:33 -0700
From: "C.D. Mutch"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 302 to 429
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What's with you guys??? What ever happened to good old ingenuity and
Ford parts know-how? Kits aren't always the way to go.
Sure in some cases they might seem to be the easy way out... but in most
cases, kits require some form of un-anticipated modification which was
conveniently left out of the advertisement from which you purchased the
kit.
Assuming you're using the '79 frame (non 4X4) for your '56, Go with
stock Ford parts. The 460 (same block as the 429) C-6 combination was a
factory option in the ford 1/2 tons in '79. To make things simple... all
you need are the factory frame mounts, motor mounts, tranny crossmember
and mount, and driveshaft and wham bam thankya ma'am... your powertrain
is installed in your frame. Your local Ford parts dealer as well as any
respectable wrecker should be able to supply you with these parts. It's
up to you to find the best deals. Besides fabricating your own goodies,
this is what roddin' and restorin' is about. Seek and ye shall find.
Best of luck.

C.D. Mutch
--
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:45:58 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: More gas tank stuff
Message-Id:
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