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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 103

Today's Topics:

Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts ["George Shepherd"
Re: Heartstopping brake failure... [Chris North ]
Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts ["Jim Strigas"
electrical 78 F-100 [TACYCBR aol.com ]
Re: electrical 78 F-100 [Steve & Rockette
Re: electrical 78 F-100 ["Jim Strigas"
RE: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts [Randy Collins ]
Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts ["Terry R Sherman"
Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts ["Terry R Sherman"
RE: 9 inch rear end [sdelanty sonic.net ]
Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts ["Jim Strigas"
Touch up paint... ["Terry R Sherman"

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:27:41 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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Those are pretty stout, I think the only way they collapse is when the rust
bugs get them. Poke arround with a screwdriver to check for rust youself.
$250 sounds ok to me to replace the cab mounts.

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> From: Terry R Sherman
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 11:56 AM
>
> I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do you just reply
to
> someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!
>
> The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new replacement parts,
> but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment for monday at a
> body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will increase. Is this to
> expensive? PLEASE HELP!
>
> This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing that was wrong
with
> it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress on them last
> weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!
>
> Thank You,
> Terry Sherman
> terbear discover-net.net
>
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:38:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris North
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Heartstopping brake failure...
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>----------
>> From: Chris North
>>Which resivoir is empty, the big one or the little
>> one? I would bet on the big one, as this is the one that feeds the front
>> disks. With it empty, you would be running only on the rear brakes.
>Since
>> the front brakes do the vast majority of the braking, loosing them would
>> seem (at first) like loosing all your brakes.
>
> It was the smaller one, furthest away from the driver. The other one
>seemed overfull, if anything. But my hands might have been shaking when I
>pried up the bailing wire on the master cylinder. I dribbled some over the
>side. After adding three ounces of brake fluid, the pedal now stays up. Of
>course, I only drove it at 15 mph around the block!

Then it's (probably) your rear brakes (If you have the original MC). When
I replaced the MC on my 78 E250, the autoparts nerd gave me the wrong one.
The one he gave me would have worked, but the smaller resivoir would have
been feeding the disks (the claipers take a whold lot of fluid!). Of
course, I took it back.

Just because the leak is with the rear system, it does not mean that it is
a leaking wheel cylinder. You really have to find out where the fluid is
leaking from. Take it to a self serve car wash and wash off all the fluid
that may have spilled from refilling (around the master cylinder, and along
the lines). Let everything dry, then pump you brakes. Look around the
master cylinder, and along the lines, particularly at the connections. You
are looking for a wet spot. Unfortunately, the drums on the Dana 60 are a
bit of a problem to remove, so it's not an easy thing to check the wheel
cylinders, but you can check everything else.

>
> Big Blue's headed for the shop next week, but I'll spend some time
>under
>there beforehand. I want to be prepared for the dealer's diagnosis. Some
>odd things have happened over there. I'd like to have some idea what's
>wrong before I go.
>

Things to watch for:
Selling you a rebuilt master cylinder when you don't need one. Selling you
rebuilt calipers in the front when your problem is with the rear (the sales
pitch with both of these is something like "well, the seals are gone in
your wheel cylinders. The seals in the master cylinder and calipers are
just as old, so you might as well replace these as well"). If you aren't
careful, you will spend $500 getting a $10 wheel cylinder replaced.
Another one that always tickeled me was "your shoes (or pads) only have 1/3
of the thickness remaining, so you might as well replace them." One third
is a signifigant amount of life, and is not an indication that they need
replacing. Ask the guy "is that the problem?". If it is not the problem,
why are you trying to fix it?

Things I would be sure of:
_IF_ a leaking wheel cylinder is the problem, replace both. You don't want
to go thorugh this again in a couple of months, do you? (probably not
ever).

I also would insist they flush your brake lines with new fluid. DOT 3
fluid absorbs water and becomes contaminated. Probably, your wheel
cylinders started to leak because bits of rust cratered the seals. If you
don't flush the system, you leave that junk in the lines to get your new
seals.

Another suggestion, which you aparently picked up on already, take it to
your friendly Ford dealer. Particularly with the 3/4 ton. Other shops
that do brakes for cars and light trucks may not have the tools to take
your drums off (assuming it is a Dana 60--someone has really buggered up
the axle nuts on my van because they did not have the proper socket to take
them off). In addition, they will only use factory approved parts--no
cheapo parts for the brakes.

Failing brakes is a scary thing. If you need your whole brake system
overhauled, do it. But, one of the biggest scams (in my opinion) in auto
repair is rebuilding good brakes, using the excuse "well, it is a saftey
thing. You don't want to take a chance on your brakes, do you?"

Good luck.

chris north

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:38:25 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
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> This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing
that was wrong with
> it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress
on them last
> weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!

OK, I'll try! Did you look over there? How about over there?
Well how the Hell do I know where your fishing spot is? You
should have asked last weekend! It's just to damn late now!

Put fordtrucks lofcom.com in your address book! You can
reply to peoples messages? No one ever replies to mine! You
guys told me it didn't work!


Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom
'77 Buick Estate Wagon


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> From: Terry R Sherman
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 9:56 AM
>
> I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do
you just reply to
> someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!
>
> The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new
replacement parts,
> but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment
for monday at a
> body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will
increase. Is this to
> expensive? PLEASE HELP!
>
> This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing
that was wrong with
> it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress
on them last
> weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!
>
> Thank You,
> Terry Sherman
> terbear discover-net.net
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: TACYCBR aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: electrical 78 F-100
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I have 78 F-100 thats got me in a bind. I'm totaly confused why my altenator
light
stays on sometimes. I have changed the altenator and it continues. I have
also
changed the regulator and fuse links. When the alt. is charging it make alot
of rackot.I checked to see if the alt. is chargeing by giving the motor 2000
rpm and pulled the pos. battery cable off.The engine dies.I don't what else
to do and I don't
want to put it in the shop.Any suggestions.

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: electrical 78 F-100
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At 05:37 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have 78 F-100 thats got me in a bind. I'm totaly confused why my altenator
>light
>stays on sometimes. I have changed the altenator and it continues. I have
>also
>changed the regulator and fuse links. When the alt. is charging it make alot
>of rackot.I checked to see if the alt. is chargeing by giving the motor 2000
>rpm and pulled the pos. battery cable off.The engine dies.I don't what else
>to do and I don't
>want to put it in the shop.Any suggestions.


I would say that the regulator is bad, both of my trucks continue to
run when the battery is removed...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 20:08:27 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
To:
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If the alt is making noise there is something wrong with it!
They make little noise if any! Take it back where you got
it. Many places can check them on the spot! I hope this
fixes it. I can't think of any outside reason for it to make
noise! if after replacing it, it still doesn't charge, check
the wiring harness! If you don't have a multimeter. use a
light bulb!
Later!

Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom
'77 Buick Estate Wagon


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> From: TACYCBR aol.com
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: electrical 78 F-100
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 2:37 PM
>
> I have 78 F-100 thats got me in a bind. I'm totaly
confused why my altenator
> light
> stays on sometimes. I have changed the altenator and it
continues. I have
> also
> changed the regulator and fuse links. When the alt. is
charging it make alot
> of rackot.I checked to see if the alt. is chargeing by
giving the motor 2000
> rpm and pulled the pos. battery cable off.The engine
dies.I don't what else
> to do and I don't
> want to put it in the shop.Any suggestions.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 21:13:47 -0700
From: Randy Collins
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
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Terry,

If you need help with replacing you cab mounts, I would be glad to =
counsel you. I have done this several times and right now I am not up =
to the writing a lengthy description. If you want to call me you can. =20

We just got home from a hot Idaho day at the lake. =20

My home number is (208) 322-6353

Tomorrow we will head back up to the lake again. You could reach me at =
home tomorrow morning between 8:00 am and 10:30 or so. =20

If you want me to walk you through the task, call I would be glad to =
help. =20

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
F250 4WD 460 C-6



-----Original Message-----
From: Terry R Sherman [SMTP:terbear discover-net.net]
Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 9:57 AM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts

I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do you just reply =
to
someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!

The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new replacement parts,
but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment for monday at a
body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will increase. Is this to
expensive? PLEASE HELP!=20

This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing that was wrong =
with
it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress on them last
weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!

Thank You,
Terry Sherman
terbear discover-net.net


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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:02:04 -0500
From: "Terry R Sherman"
To:
Subject: Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
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Yeah, uh, the broke! collapsed! "rust fairy" got 'em! Every thing else on
the truck is rust free thou...! I'm confused bout it! Well thanks!

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> From: George Shepherd
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 1:27 PM
>
> Those are pretty stout, I think the only way they collapse is when the
rust
> bugs get them. Poke arround with a screwdriver to check for rust youself.
> $250 sounds ok to me to replace the cab mounts.
>
> ----------
> > From: Terry R Sherman
> > To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> > Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> > Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 11:56 AM
> >
> > I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do you just
reply
> to
> > someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!
> >
> > The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new replacement
parts,
> > but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment for monday at
a
> > body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will increase. Is this to
> > expensive? PLEASE HELP!
> >
> > This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing that was wrong
> with
> > it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress on them last
> > weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Terry Sherman
> > terbear discover-net.net
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:05:04 -0500
From: "Terry R Sherman"
To:
Subject: Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
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I can't spring for the phone bill. It may just be cheaper for me to have it
done! (715) area code... :-( THANKS FOR THE OFFER THOUGH!

----------
From: Randy Collins
To: 'fordtrucks lofcom.com'
Subject: RE: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 11:13 PM

Terry,

If you need help with replacing you cab mounts, I would be glad to counsel
you. I have done this several times and right now I am not up to the
writing a lengthy description. If you want to call me you can.

We just got home from a hot Idaho day at the lake.

My home number is (208) 322-6353

Tomorrow we will head back up to the lake again. You could reach me at
home tomorrow morning between 8:00 am and 10:30 or so.

If you want me to walk you through the task, call I would be glad to help.


Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
F250 4WD 460 C-6



-----Original Message-----
From: Terry R Sherman [SMTP:terbear discover-net.net]
Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 9:57 AM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts

I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do you just reply to
someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!

The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new replacement parts,
but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment for monday at a
body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will increase. Is this to
expensive? PLEASE HELP!

This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing that was wrong with
it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress on them last
weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!

Thank You,
Terry Sherman
terbear discover-net.net


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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 22:55:03 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: RE: 9 inch rear end
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>sounds like one to me. the snout has a set of bolts that bolt the =
>pinion section to the carrier. don't know much about mavericks, but it =
>sounds like a 9" to me.
>
>9 inchers where made in several "sizes". the lighter cars had a lighter =
>duty welded housing and 28(i think) spline axles. there was a beefier =
>hnousing, and one even beefier (with 31t spline) wich was used in the =
>70's 1/2 ton v8 trucks and some luxury cars,-the 6 cyl truck used to =
>lighter axle.

I'll add something here. My '71 F100 was a 6 cyl truck, but came with
a 31-spline limited slip 9". I'm sure the motor and axle were origional,
they agree with the door tag info...
The 31-spline has allegedly got a 3750lb rating instead of the 3200 or 3400lb
of the 28-spline.(according to the auto parts books)
It also uses a larger wheel bearing which is about $80 instead of the $22
bearing that the 28-spline uses. Sigh.

>on the ouside, the difference in these 3 is measureable =
>by the length that the center weldment runs out before the round axle =
>tube is welded on.

Hmm, that's interesting. I assume the heavier duty units are longer.
(center section wider)
Is this a reliable way to tell a 31-spline from a 28-spline HD unit?
Gotta start watchin at the wreckers..

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

1971 F100 shortbox, FE390, T-18 4-speed

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 23:11:16 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
To:
Subject: Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
Message-ID:
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$250.00 to call 715? Where the hell's that fishin' hole Boy!
Bangladesh? Why do you already have the parts an appointment
at a body shop! Don't sound like your looking for
information on how to install them so I'll go with...

Hey Sherm! I don't think that's a do it yourself kind of
job! I'd take it to a body shop if I was you!

Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom
'77 Buick Estate Wagon


----------
> From: Terry R Sherman
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 10:05 PM
>
> I can't spring for the phone bill. It may just be cheaper
for me to have it
> done! (715) area code... :-( THANKS FOR THE OFFER
THOUGH!
>
> ----------
> From: Randy Collins
> To: 'fordtrucks lofcom.com'
> Subject: RE: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
> Date: Friday, July 04, 1997 11:13 PM
>
> Terry,
>
> If you need help with replacing you cab mounts, I would be
glad to counsel
> you. I have done this several times and right now I am
not up to the
> writing a lengthy description. If you want to call me you
can.
>
> We just got home from a hot Idaho day at the lake.
>
> My home number is (208) 322-6353
>
> Tomorrow we will head back up to the lake again. You
could reach me at
> home tomorrow morning between 8:00 am and 10:30 or so.
>
> If you want me to walk you through the task, call I would
be glad to help.
>
>
> Later,
>
> Randy Collins
> Boise, Idaho
> rcollins micron.net
>
> 1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
> Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
> F250 4WD 460 C-6
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry R Sherman [SMTP:terbear discover-net.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 9:57 AM
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: '76 ford Highboy, Cab Mounts
>
> I'm not sure how to send mailto this list! Am I right? Do
you just reply to
> someone on the list!? Jeez, I hope so!
>
> The front cab mounts colapsed on me truck! I got new
replacement parts,
> but how do I repair it? Any ideas, I have an appointment
for monday at a
> body shop, they estimated $250 but I think it will
increase. Is this to
> expensive? PLEASE HELP!
>
> This truck is in excalant condition but the only thing
that was wrong with
> it when I got it was cab mounts.... I put to much stress
on them last
> weekend going to find my fishing spot... PLEASE HELP!!!!
>
> Thank You,
> Terry Sherman
> terbear discover-net.net
>
>
>
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to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
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kpayne mindspring.com
>
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>
>
>
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