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In this issue:

CB Antenna mounting [JJ/Rae Mead ]
Restricted deliv [Lee Haefele ]
Re: Restricted deliv [Jerry Brammer ]
Re: CB Antenna Mount [JDavis1277 ]
Re: CB Antenna mounting [CNTRYF150 ]
CB Antenna mounting [Jim Clementz ]
Re: E-series van 4X4 conversion ["P. Shannon" ]
Re: CB Antenna mounting [RAMWORKER ]
Re: Restricted deliv ["Union Auto" ]
Owner Loyalty Incentive ["Union Auto" ]
test ["Rex T. Edmiston" ]
Owner Loyalty Incentive ["Union Auto" ]
Re: restricted deliv. ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Robert Hill ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Jerry Brammer ]
Need help with engine/axle combination [Cliff Straw ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Sigarms229 ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Robert Hill ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Jerry Brammer ]
Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive [Robert Hill ]
Manual vs Automatic transmition [Ahmed Cruz ]
Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition [Shawn Utz ]
Re: restricted deliv. [KWkM3 ]
Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition ["Ann Mitchell"
Re: Need help with engine/axle combination [John941 ]
Re: On Hold [Lee Haefele ]
ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:47:20 -0500
From: JJ/Rae Mead
Subject: CB Antenna mounting

What I did on our F250 SC with a topper was to get a K 40 CB antenna and mounted
it on the drivers side of the hood. It has a clamp that just screws to the inside
of the hood. I had one on our 92 Bronco just like this and it never moved for 5
years.

If you search the web there are tons of places to get the K40's.
Start at these.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.k40.com/wideopenroad.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.iglou.com/copper/
JJ

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:58:10 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: Restricted deliv

Does anyone know the list of what is on resrtiction for F-350 SD? Mine
is on order since end of Feb, no answer on ANY guess of deliv date.
Lee Haefele

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:39:30 -0700
From: Jerry Brammer
Subject: Re: Restricted deliv

I have been told that for sure:

1. Lariat option (may be because of 2 below)
2. Remote keyless entry
3. Off road package

And WVJKQ: these have been known since late February...

Lee Haefele wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the list of what is on resrtiction for F-350 SD? Mine
> is on order since end of Feb, no answer on ANY guess of deliv date.
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:17:31 EDT
From: JDavis1277
Subject: Re: CB Antenna Mount

Saw a new type F-150 the other day with a CB mount up front. This guy had
mounted a stainless steel strap under the hood on the fender well. The strap
was bent to come up between the hood and fender and then made a 90 degree bend
over the fender. The antenna was then mounted above the fender. Thickness of
the strap is obviously dependent on clearance between the hood and fender.
Was a pretty decent looking sanitary installation. Butch Davis-

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:21:58 EDT
From: CNTRYF150
Subject: Re: CB Antenna mounting

try a 6 foot whip antenna mounted to the bumper.If you have a Best Buy store
in Atlanta,,try them for radios and try radio shack for the antenna.In south
Fla,,we have them in every Radio Shack>>>>>>>>Jim.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:11:15 -0400
From: Jim Clementz
Subject: CB Antenna mounting

John Paul:

I too didn't want to punch holes in the roof of my F150 Extended Cab. I
bought a Wilson 1000 magnet mount antenna for mine. The magnet is
probably about 50% stronger than the K40 I used to have. I tuned it to
a 1.2 SWR which is as good as any antenna I've ever had either magnet
mount or permanent mount (drilled the hole). I just keep mine under the
rear seat and put it through the third door gasket when I use it. Worth
looking into..... I like mine! Most CB and HAM shops are selling them
now. And if that isn't enough, they make a Wilson 5000 now that is a
real monster if you're seriously into the best you can get for the $$$.

Jim

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:19:49 -0500
From: "P. Shannon"
Subject: Re: E-series van 4X4 conversion

I researched the same subject not too long ago and came up with a
company called Quigley. Apparently they do conversions on contract for
dealers. Check out their web site at the following:

http:/www.quigley4x4.com/index.htm

They also had links to several retail dealer web sites that sell their
product.

- -Phillip

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:16:32 -0700
> From: "Dan & Pam Voss"
> Subject: Re:E-series van 4X4 conversion
>
> I don't know about a web page for the cargo vans but Salem Kroger of
> Red
> Bluff Ca. is doing the 4X4 conversion on my 1998 Tioga motorhome. It
> is a
> factory option and they selected them to put the big straight axle
> under
> the front. The motorhomes now use the Super Duty frame but their first
> unit
> was on a F350 chassis. There is also a place in the mid-west I believe
> but
> don't remember the name but found it using the "Dogpile" search
> engine.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dan
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:58:41 -0400
> > From: Rick
> > Subject: The E-series - Vans
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have a handy pointer to a web page that will tell
> > me about the Ford E-series vans...just cargo vans, not the
> > Club vans and so forth for non commercial use.
> >
> > I'm interested in the Powerstroke diesel and a 4WD conversion
> > from one of the 'pass through' dealers. Don't know how to go
> > about that part either, so if anyone has any experience to
> > pass on I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:22:49 EDT
From: RAMWORKER
Subject: Re: CB Antenna mounting

In a message dated 4/25/98 5:30:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Jp.Stout mci=
.com=0Awrites:


t a=0Amast
type antenna for my CB.=A0 Normally, i would mount it right off the edge=
of the
bed..=A0 but,=A0 have a Leer 100XL camper top on the thing... sooo.. tha=
t's out.
=A0
I am lookin into a Bumper type mount, and would love any assistance anyo=
ne=0Aout
there would care to offer.
=A0
Also, where's a good place in Atlanta to GET a high quality antenna?=A0 =
Circut
City, Hi-Fi Buys, Pep Boys, and Radio Shack all either don't carry them,=
or=0Aonly
have crappy magnet mounted ones.=A0 The only magnetic mount I have seen =
that's
working well is the K40's and I can't seem to find one of those either. =
>>

Hi JP,
I have two sugestions for you,
1. Radio Shack has a catalog you can order through, I got my CB/Wea=
ther=0ARadio antenna this way, my range is about 9 miles, not bad for Rad=
io Shack=0Astuff.
2. Go to your local CB shop, they will have a good selection of=0Aa=
ntennas' and mounts for your review, and they can install and set SWR.

Robert Stout=0A

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:15:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: Restricted deliv

The only restrictions I have seen is power seat without Keyless entry
(available aprox July), Shortbox crew cabs (available this fall), Lariat
with carpet delete option, and the Full function aux. idle control. There
are many things that are short (I.E. Tutone paint, DRW, F-550, Trailer
towing pkg.., and other things run out the first day of scheduling. The Off
Road package is available.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Brammer
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Restricted deliv


>I have been told that for sure:
>
>1. Lariat option (may be because of 2 below)
>2. Remote keyless entry
>3. Off road package
>
>And WVJKQ: these have been known since late February...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:54:56 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Ford has just announce that starting this week they will start offering a
owner loyalty incentive. GM started this a few weeks ago so Ford matched
it. They will also honor GM's incentive. To qualify you have to have
purchased a new Ford Motor Company or GM product since 1986 and still have
it. To prove this you need either your purchase agreement, copy of title
showing you as first owner, or on Ford's it can be looked up on MORS III at
the dealership. They will start mailing coupons on Monday, but you don't
need them to get the rebate. This is a $500 rebate on almost every Ford
product (except Super Duty line). The Lincolns have $1000 and Windstar has
$1000. This can be transferred to another member of your family if they
live at the same residence. It also works in conjuction with almost all of
the other rebates or APR rates. (I.E. Commercial account rebate on F-150, or
Normal rebates on cars and Vans). This is a program that is definitely
worth checking on if you're in the market for a new vehicle (except SD).
This program is supposed to be good through July.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258
unionaut adiis.net

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Rex T. Edmiston"
Subject: test

sorry folks..have had trouble posting

...rex

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:38:07 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Ford has just announce that starting this week they will start offering a
owner loyalty incentive. GM started this a few weeks ago so Ford matched
it. They will also honor GM's incentive. To qualify you have to have
purchased a new Ford Motor Company or GM product since 1986 and still have
it. To prove this you need either your purchase agreement, copy of title
showing you as first owner, or on Ford's it can be looked up on MORS III at
the dealership. They will start mailing coupons on Monday, but you don't
need them to get the rebate. This is a $500 rebate on almost every Ford
product (except Super Duty line). The Lincolns have $1000 and Windstar has
$1000. This can be transferred to another member of your family if they
live at the same residence. It also works in conjuction with almost all of
the other rebates or APR rates. (I.E. Commercial account rebate on F-150, or
Normal rebates on cars and Vans). This is a program that is definitely
worth checking on if you're in the market for a new vehicle (except SD).
This program is supposed to be good through July.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258
unionaut adiis.net

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:49:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.

The only restrictions I have seen is power seat without Keyless entry
(available aprox July), Shortbox crew cabs (available this fall), Lariat
with carpet delete option, and the Full function aux. idle control. There
are many things that are short (I.E. Tutone paint, DRW, F-550, Trailer
towing pkg..., and other things run out the first day of scheduling. The
Off
Road package is available.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Brammer
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Restricted deliv


>I have been told that for sure:
>
>1. Lariat option (may be because of 2 below)
>2. Remote keyless entry
>3. Off road package
>
>And WVJKQ: these have been known since late February...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:10:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Hill
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

This incentive kind of irritates me!!! I have been a die hard Ford man
since the mid-80's. I buy a new car at least every year and have at some
times bought two in one year (one for me, one for my wife) and they have
all been Fords; however, since I do not own the one I bought in 86, I do
not qualifiy. So, the guy who bought ONE car from Ford, in 86 and still
has it gets the rebate but I have probably bought 12 since 86 and I get
nothing. Geez, with offers like this I may have to change my loyalty to
some other brand.

Bob

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:48:24 -0700
From: Jerry Brammer
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Robert.....

A $500 "Rebate" on a $20,000 to $30,000 vehicle is nothing to get
excited about. Between the "deal", and financing this rebate means
nothing....






Robert Hill wrote:
>
> This incentive kind of irritates me!!! I have been a die hard Ford man
> since the mid-80's. I buy a new car at least every year and have at some
> times bought two in one year (one for me, one for my wife) and they have
> all been Fords; however, since I do not own the one I bought in 86, I do
> not qualifiy. So, the guy who bought ONE car from Ford, in 86 and still
> has it gets the rebate but I have probably bought 12 since 86 and I get
> nothing. Geez, with offers like this I may have to change my loyalty to
> some other brand.
>
> Bob
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:56:51 -0400
From: Cliff Straw
Subject: Need help with engine/axle combination

I plan to purchase a 1999 F350 SuperCab 4x4 SRW to carry a 3,000 pound
slide-in camper. I am trying to decide which gas engine/axle
combination to get with this truck (my current truck is a Chevy K2500
with 5.7L V8 and 4.10 axle).

I have driven several trucks with the 5.4L V8 with 3.73 and 4.10 axle.
Between these two the 4.10 axle seemed like a better match I also
drove a V10 with the 4.30 axle which is an extremely smooth and powerful
combination. I really liked the feel of the V10 and have decided to go
with this engine. Now I need to decide which axle to get.
Unfortunately I have not been able to find a V10/3.73 combination to
try.

Because I will drive this truck to work everyday I would prefer to go
with the 3.73 axle. But I also want to make sure I can cruise with the
camper loaded and stay in overdrive most of the time.

I would appreciate hearing your opinion of this engine and how it
performs with the 3.73 or 4.30 axles.

Thanks,
Cliff

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:17:02 EDT
From: Sigarms229
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Robert,

I believe you misunderstood the message. If you bought a new Ford vehicle
between 1986 and now, and you still have it, you qualify for the rebate.
Here a copy of what was written about the rebate:

Ford has just announce that starting this week they will start offering a
owner loyalty incentive. GM started this a few weeks ago so Ford matched
it. They will also honor GM's incentive. To qualify you have to have
purchased a new Ford Motor Company or GM product since 1986 and still have

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:19:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Hill
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Jerry,

you are right, $500 is nothing to get excited about. I guess my point is,
loyalty is not just defined by owning th esame car for 12 years but
instead , IMHO, when you buy a car or truck , are you loyal to a
particular brand. To me, that is loyalty and while $500 will not cause me
to jump in my car and run to my local dealer and trade cars, it does
bother me that Ford (and GMas far as that goes) choses longetivity as the
factor verses product loyalty.

As a side note, I will give Ford a plug. Last year I had a 95 Ford
Conversion van that was a true lemon in all respects. It stayed in the
shop as much as it stayed in my garge. After about 14 months of seeing my
van if I went by the dealership to check on it's progress, I had enough.
I spoke witht he General manager and told him that they could either help
me get out of this van or I would trade it for a Dodge truck. To make a
long story short, I ended up with a new 97 F250 Lariat Supercab, with
every option for a total of my van (wholesale value of $16500 at the time
and $1000 of my own money. I got a $28k vehicle for $17500 which means
FoMoCo gave me a huge amount of factory money to keep my business. I will
have to admit that they rewarded my loyalty then. I guess FoMoCo has been
good to me in this way however, I still think those who consistently
purchase Fords should be considered loyal consumers as well - not just
those who have kept the same cars for years.

Bob

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:29:21 -0700
From: Jerry Brammer
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

Robert,

By now I am sure you got the message that as you still own any one of
the fords you bought, you get the $500. My irritation is the whole
rebate thing period. It just muddies the water with little real payback
when the big picture is looked at.








Robert Hill wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> you are right, $500 is nothing to get excited about. I guess my point is,
> loyalty is not just defined by owning th esame car for 12 years but
> instead , IMHO, when you buy a car or truck , are you loyal to a
> particular brand. To me, that is loyalty and while $500 will not cause me
> to jump in my car and run to my local dealer and trade cars, it does
> bother me that Ford (and GMas far as that goes) choses longetivity as the
> factor verses product loyalty.
>
> As a side note, I will give Ford a plug. Last year I had a 95 Ford
> Conversion van that was a true lemon in all respects. It stayed in the
> shop as much as it stayed in my garge. After about 14 months of seeing my
> van if I went by the dealership to check on it's progress, I had enough.
> I spoke witht he General manager and told him that they could either help
> me get out of this van or I would trade it for a Dodge truck. To make a
> long story short, I ended up with a new 97 F250 Lariat Supercab, with
> every option for a total of my van (wholesale value of $16500 at the time
> and $1000 of my own money. I got a $28k vehicle for $17500 which means
> FoMoCo gave me a huge amount of factory money to keep my business. I will
> have to admit that they rewarded my loyalty then. I guess FoMoCo has been
> good to me in this way however, I still think those who consistently
> purchase Fords should be considered loyal consumers as well - not just
> those who have kept the same cars for years.
>
> Bob
>
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> | Send posts to fordtrucks97up listservice.net, |
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:36:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Hill
Subject: Re: Owner Loyalty Incentive

You are right - I guess I did read the e-mail wrong. Guess it proves I am
human!! :-)

Bob

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:34:44 -0700
From: Ahmed Cruz
Subject: Manual vs Automatic transmition

Hi, Can some can body explain to me. Why automatic trany can tow more
pound that manual transmition?
Ahmed

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawn Utz
Subject: Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition

The story I get from my dealer is Ford wanted to dispell any notions of the
E4OD being whimpy relative to the manual. So they increased the rating...

I sincerly hope it is not simply a ratings game as I have the E4OD powered
by the PSD. I hear the PSD eats E4OD's. Anyone out there care to elaborate?

- -Shawn

>
> Hi, Can some can body explain to me. Why automatic trany can tow more
> pound that manual transmition?
> Ahmed
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:06:23 EDT
From: KWkM3
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.

In a message dated 98-04-27 13:50:46 EDT, you write:


(available aprox July), Shortbox crew cabs (available this fall), Lariat
with carpet delete option, and the Full function aux. idle control. There
are many things that are short (I.E. Tutone paint, DRW, F-550, Trailer
towing pkg..., and other things run out the first day of scheduling. The
Off
Road package is available.

Nathan Bernard >>

I was wondering if you could explain to me how the power seats are related to
keyless entry? Also what does the aux idle control do for you? Any input is
appreciated.

Harry

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:22:55 -0400
From: "Ann Mitchell"
Subject: Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition

Manual transmissions take up all forces directly thru the driveline, metal
on metal, little or no give. Automatics take the abuse in hydraulic fluids.
The fluid in the automatic allows the forces the driveline experiences to be
dampened. A lot less wear and tear. It's not that Ford rates autos over
manuals, everybody does, Chevy, Dodge, oyota.

Steve
>>
>> Hi, Can some can body explain to me. Why automatic trany can tow more
>> pound that manual transmition?
>> Ahmed
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:00:05 EDT
From: John941
Subject: Re: Need help with engine/axle combination

Cliff:
I have towed a 9,000 lb 35' Airstream(fully loaded) with a 454 Suburban and
4:10 rear. The V10 and the 454 both have 410 ft lbs of torque but the Ford
reaches max torque at a little lower rpms. If you are only carrying 3,000 I
can't see why you would need a 4:10. The 3:73 would definitely do the job
with a lot of power left.
John

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:32:19 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: Re: On Hold

I just found out my 99 F350 SuperCab 4X4 DRW cab-chassis is "On Hold",
It was ordered 2 months ago! Reason: Dual wheels & V-10 engine.
Lee Haefele

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:34:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions

Lots of Ford Truck Enthusiasts news below, please read!

Web site: nearly working 100%. Chat is still broken.

New list server: I have new live versions of the lists working on
the new server. Digests are not working yet. As soon as the digests
are working, all the lists will be moved over and instructions sent
out. Commands and posting methods will remain the same, only the
addresses will change. The web site form and FAQ will also be updated.

As soon as the new lists are working then the following items will
get the attention they desperately need:

- -web site pictorial updates
- -web site link updates
- -free web space configuration. This shouldn't take long because the
new server is geared towards this. Additional web space beyond
the free 300k will be available for $1/month per meg (my cost).
I have about 6 meg available for free web space (about 20 sites).
There is a voting form on the web site concerning web space,
your opinion counts.
- -new chat script (tests confirm that this one shouldn't crash like
the old one kept doing)
- -t-shirt pictures will be reviewed and winners announced. Design
won't begin until after the Pigeon Forge F100 Nationals in mid
May.
- -A vendors section will be added to the page. This will be a
section that vendors can use to provide discounts to list members
and page visitors. We will get a small amount which helps to
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