fordtrucks97up-digest Tuesday, April 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 048



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks97/Diesel vs Gas [Lee Haefele ]
RE: Out with the 97, in with the 99 ["Chad Royse" ]
Re: Diesel or Gas [JDavis1277 ]
99 Cab/Chassis F350 [Lee Haefele ]
Re: 99 Cab/Chassis F350 ["Douglas R. Floyd" ]
re:99 Cab/Chassis F350 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 99 F350s [Jerry Brammer ]
Re: Deisel or gas ? [Sven Setterdahl ]
Re: Deisel or gas ? [WVJKQ ]
ADMIN: Free web space [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Free web space [Ken Payne ]
Re: Deisel or gas ? ["Jeff Schapker" ]

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:27:38 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: Re: fordtrucks97/Diesel vs Gas

We have 6 trucks running at 9000-11,000 lbs, similiar mileage to your
120 mi/day. Gas is still better, your use favors gas more than ours
(lighter loads, flatter roads). We have had 3 Diesels, 2 Fords (6.9 &
7.3 non turbo), 1 Mitsubishi (3.3L 4cyl turbo). The repair history is
similiar to gas engine except: 2 Batteries that last 18 months only,
radiators that cost $700, injector pumps that cost $600, oil coolers
that cost $400 that do not exist on gas. We really do little repairs on
the gas engines, we use Mobile 1 oil W/5k change interval, Diesel we
feel we need 3k change. Diesel cold weather starting is difficult, we
never jump start our gas units, each Diesel needed jumping 2-4 times
each winter, then there was the bad fuel, expensive filters, noise,
smell, Fuel on your hands. Others I know W/Diesels worry about $2-3k
engine repairs later in their life...What is wrong with Ford Diesel's
flywheel & broken bolts that costs $2k to repair & damages main seal &
possibly the crank? Diesels seem to do well in service such as tow
trucks where they are left running all day, ours are used as bucket
trucks, but I order 12V battery operated lifts & shut the truck off, I
need to talk between the ground & aerial men, the Diesel is too noisy to
hear anything. Also, the Ford Diesels I had were powerful when new,
then turned into slugs with age.
Lee Haefele

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:10:10 -0400
From: "Chad Royse"
Subject: RE: Out with the 97, in with the 99

Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. Here's a complete list of what I am 90%
sure I will get.

MakeFord
ModelF250 SD
Year99

Option
CodeDescriptionInvoice MSRP
Base $21,832.00 $24,955.00
Destination $640.00 $640.00
2Cloth Captain Seats $- $-
433Sliding Rear Window $107.00 $125.00
768Step Bumper $128.00 $150.00
531Tow Package $162.00 $190.00
54YPower Tow Mirrors $132.00 $155.00
607APreferred Equipment $955.00 $1,125.00
86RClass IV Receiver $128.00 $150.00
924Privacy Glass $85.00 $100.00
99sV-10 $285.00 $335.00
T4B265/75-R16 Tires $238.00 $280.00
44EAutomatic w/ 3.73 axle $824.00 $970.00
954Two tone paint $162.00 $190.00
58KCassette/CD $162.00 $190.00
XC3Limited slip 4.30 $263.00 $310.00
Total$26,103.00 $29,865.00

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From: owner-fordtrucks97up ListService.net
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 6:02 PM
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Subject: Out with the 97, in with the 99


Chad:

Glad to see Ford is willing to work with you on the buy-back. I'm not clear
on which truck you are going to get from your post, but I know that you CAN
get the 3.73 limited slip axle as an option for the new F-350. According to
the Kelly Blue Book website, the MSRP on the axle is $260 and the dealer
cost
is $221. The option code is "XD1". Hope this is of some help.

/Mark W. Roadarmel
MRoadarDOJ aol.com



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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:38:13 EDT
From: JDavis1277
Subject: Re: Diesel or Gas

You drive over 30K miles per year just to and from work. If you use your
truck for other things (who wouldn't?) you probably rack up close to 40K per
year. If you want the full return on your truck investment you will drive it
for a minimum of 10 years. So figure 400K minimum miles. My 90 diesel with
E4OD and 4.10s gives me a consistent 18 - 19 MPG on the interstate with
minimum load. The new diesel will probably do better. Diesels tend to burn
fuel directly proportionate to load and speed. Do the math, but figure no
overhauls on the diesel if you do the maintenance. I've driven diesel cars
and trucks continuously since 1980 so am clearly prejudiced. But, my vote:
Diesel. Recommend you visit www.abol.com/users/jlester/ for better
information on Ford diesel fuel economy, reliability, and maintenance costs.
Good luck, Butch Davis-

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:47:55 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: 99 Cab/Chassis F350

I ordered a F350 Supercab, 4X4, V-10 Cab/Chassis Feb 25th. Dealer has no
idea when it might come. When we got to talking, we found neither of us
had seen any SD Cab/Chassis ANYWHERE! Have ANY been made? Dealer has
several on order from Oct/Nov 97. Local truck body company says they
showed him one & he did not like it, then he explained that it was the
curved wider frame model, the pickup/box removal option. We both agreed
that was a wizzy frame, then he said "Why did they bring THAT to a body
builder's show?" (Short/nonexistant supply?) Soooo since there aren't
any, that we know of, When will I get mine???
Lee Haefele

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:10:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: 99 Cab/Chassis F350

Local Austin dealers are currently selling them. I've seen F250 SD and
F350 SD's on the lot already.

>
> I ordered a F350 Supercab, 4X4, V-10 Cab/Chassis Feb 25th. Dealer has no
> idea when it might come. When we got to talking, we found neither of us
> had seen any SD Cab/Chassis ANYWHERE! Have ANY been made? Dealer has
> several on order from Oct/Nov 97. Local truck body company says they
> showed him one & he did not like it, then he explained that it was the
> curved wider frame model, the pickup/box removal option. We both agreed
> that was a wizzy frame, then he said "Why did they bring THAT to a body
> builder's show?" (Short/nonexistant supply?) Soooo since there aren't
> any, that we know of, When will I get mine???
> Lee Haefele
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I speak for myself, not my employer.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:57:42, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re:99 Cab/Chassis F350

Lee,

Just relax a bit....the trucks are coming soon. We have 3 F-450 cab
chassis right now. We have more coming, too. These beasts are
definately worth the wait.
Josh
Lakeland Truck Center

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:51:47 -0700
From: Jerry Brammer
Subject: Re: 99 F350s

I ordered my 99 F-350 Supercab 4X4 March 1 and it still has no build
date. Does anyone know how far in advance build dates are assigned? In
other words, do I know it will be at least a month from now? or could
they decide to build it next week? I know it be at least another three
weeks for shipping and I'm just trying to figure whether I'll get it
before the summer is over!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:58:07 -0500
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: Deisel or gas ?

> Which is a better choice, I drive 120 miles a day, interstate mostly, 5
> days as week. Bulky loads, not heavy. At the prices I see on the
> sticker, would need to run this truck long and hard to recoup the
> investment.
>
> By the way, got to drive a 99 SD 350, deisel, auto, all the frills. Very
> impressed, but for some of the controls, "dinky" best describes the
> remote mirror adjust.
>
> Carl Collette

Basically, if you plan to keep the truck for a long time, more than five years,
go with the PowerStroke. I worked the calcs myself, and I came up with about 7.5
cents/mile for the PSD, and 11.33 cents/mile for the V10. Seems like a lot until
you figure in the cost of the PSD. Works out to be about 88,500 miles before the
PSD starts paying for itself. Of course these calcs are based on todays prices
so they can change. Let me know if you want a copy of my calcs. I have them on
a spreadsheet.

Sven

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:29:32 EDT
From: WVJKQ
Subject: Re: Deisel or gas ?

I SURE WOULD APPRECIATE A COPY OF YOUR CALCS. I WAS WONDERING HOW THESE
NUMBERS WERE USED. AND WHAT VARIABLES WERE INCLUDED IN THE CALCS.



THANKS JIM Q.

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:46:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Free web space

And now the moment we've all been waiting for...
The free web space script is now working! Those who are
interested in having free web space for a Ford truck related
web site can now have up to 300k of free space on the
www.ford-trucks.com domain.

300k doesn't sound like much but it is when you consider that
an 85% quality 640x480 JPG picture is about 40k in size and the
average html file is under 5k then you'll see that you can put
quite a bit on it. Besides, I have to limit the space so more
people can get a site.

In order to get this free space, the following is required:

1. Your desired site name. This will appear as
http://www.ford-trucks.com/members/yoursitename

2. Your desired password. Think it through and make sure you
don't forget it as it will be a hassle to change it.

3. Somewhere on the site, a link to the main page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com
In return, we will provide a link to your page.

4. Your site must be non-commercial. I didn't put in all this
time and effort to give away free space to businesses - this
is for the owners/hobbyists on the list. Arrangements for
businesses may be possible, I'm still considering it and
haven't made up my mind.

5. A description of the site. Keep it short. I need this for
the return link. Make sure your main page on your site is
called index.html or index.htm

6. It has to be under 300k. Our access script will enforce this.
It will not be possible to exceed this limit by 1 byte. Keep
this in mind when you design your page. You may want to keep
clipart or other items on a different server and link to them.

Site upload instructions and confirmations will be sent via email
starting this weekend (I may not be able to get them all done in
one weekend). Everything is handled through a user friendly web
interface with password protection. Included will be a free hit
counter and instructions on its use.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:49:38 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Free web space

Almost forgot...

send requests to: kpayne mindspring.com

If you send it to the list everyone will see your
password!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:59:07 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: Re: Deisel or gas ?
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