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fordtrucks97up-digest Sunday, March 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 039



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In this issue:

Re: head restraints [Ken Payne ]
re: head restraints [Rich Cower ]
Head Restraints ["Eric Elliott" ]
Re: overhead console [WVJKQ ]
re: head restraints [Ken Payne ]
Re: overhead console ["Ann Mitchell" ]
Re: overhead console [Ken Payne ]
Re: overhead console [WVJKQ ]
New and Improved stickers [Ken Payne ]
Radio Noise [Mike Kappes ]
Re: overhead console ["Mike Smith" ]

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:16:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: head restraints

At 10:12 PM 3/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Chad,
>
>I don't think I'm overreacting, and I don't think the analogy with the
>Chevy gas tanks
>is wrong.

Lack of head rests and exploding gas tanks are certainly not in the
same league.


Ford has removed a safety item in a truck that can - and I
>believe will - result
>in injury and possibly death. We won't know why they did this until someone
>gets injured
>and through the process of legal discovery the memo's/meeting minutes of
>why that decision was
>made are opened up and in the public record - or until Ford responds in
>this forum.

First, F350s are commercial vehicles. By law, they aren't required
to have passenger headrests.

And second, Ford won't respond in this forum.

>It could have been as simple as what GM did with the Chevy trucks - the
>cost of making them
>safe was deemed to be lower than the settlements they projected from the
>lawsuits. I'd
>hope not, but then - Ford certainly isn't jumping in here to make a comment
>on why this
>was removed.

Please get this:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is **not** affiliated with Ford Motor Corporation!!
The web site says this!!! Did you even bother to read anything on the
web site or are you just looking for a place to vent?

>I don't know what it costs to build a seat with head
>restraints,
>it could have worked out to be more than the projected settlements. Who
>knows?
>
>We use a 5 inch drop bumper pull (?) for the trailer. I'm not sure how it
>could come into the
>cab.
>
>Ford went backwards on safety - the head restraints that are in pickups are
>there for a
>very good reason. Accident/injury data has shown they can save
>lives/prevent injury. Ford should not make a full seat - obviously to be
>used by people - and remove something that can save lives/prevent injury.
>You can rationalize all you want about the vehicle size "winning"
>in a collision, or why we're using the truck the way we are - but it
>doesn't explain why
>they removed these things from a seat that is clearly intended for humans
>to sit on.
>
>We wern't geting rid of the 97 - we planned on having two of them. Why not,
>they really
>are great trucks. Sorry - I won't even look at a GM product, and Dodge -
>while number
>two in our book as well - is a distant second. Too many friends have had
>too much trouble
>with those things.
>
>We're waiting for what I've seen here as the Ford "suburban killer". It
>should have about
>what we want. Hopefully, it'll have decent safety options. In the interim I
>picked up a
>new BMW 740il last night, it's quite safe but it sure won't carry what the
>F350 will. I plan
>to hold onto it until Ford fixes this - or at least offers an option of a
>safe seat.
>Something that still irks me is I was quite willing to stick a 97 seat in
>(it didn't even
>have to match, and I was prepared to pay for it) and I couldn't get anyone
>at Ford (here or

AGAIN: WE ARE NOT FORD MOTOR CORPORATION!!!!!! You obviously didn't
read a single paragraph on the web page. You were introduced to the
mailing list when you emailed me. In order to get to my email address
on the web site you had to get to a page that said (amoung other
things):

"And please remember that we are Ford Truck Enthusiasts, not Ford Motor
Corporation. We are not affiliated with Ford Motor Corporation in any
way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Click here if you have read the above. Sorry for the hassle but people
email us on a daily basis who have not read the above guidelines."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

After clicking that you have read the page, you get presented with
the web address.

>at corporate) to tell me if that was possible.
>
>I've experienced their customer service first hand - and what I've seen
>does not look good.
>
>thanks...rich
>

Next time, RTFM.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:34:22 -0800
From: Rich Cower
Subject: re: head restraints

>Ken Payne wrote
>Lack of head rests and exploding gas tanks are certainly not in the
>same league.

I beg to differ. The only difference I can see is if you slam your head
thru the rear window of a pickup and die from head trauma - you can have an
open casket. On the other hand, if you die in a burning pick up truck you'd
probably have a closed casket. You're still very dead in both instances.

>First, F350s are commercial vehicles. By law, they aren't required
>to have passenger headrests.

>And second, Ford won't respond in this forum.

I find this statement simply amazing. We have a company that had them on the
trucks - further, Ford chose to add air bags to these F350's. Why would they
add air bags and remove head restraints? And are we only going to deal with a
compnay that simply follows the law? Ford has a big splash on the web page
about safety - no where do they state they are simply following the letter of
the law.

>Ford Truck Enthusiasts is **not** affiliated with Ford Motor Corporation!!
>The web site says this!!! Did you even bother to read anything on the
>web site or are you just looking for a place to vent?

Have we hit a senstive spot here, Ken? I know you're not associated with Ford.
I'm simply discussing an issue with a truck that I wanted to purchase. If you,
as creator of this forum don't want this discussion - then stop it.

rich

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:47:58 -0600
From: "Eric Elliott"
Subject: Head Restraints

Hello,
The local shoe repair shop would be happy to make custom leather head
restraints that I could glue to the rear glass of a F350 or whatever.
The local upholstery shop would be happy to recover any BMW, Volvo, 97 Ford
or other head restraint in any material I might choose.
Probably I could find a local shop that would make brackets to mount head
restraints in a F350.
My 88 GMC k1500 has had 2 Minimus 7 speakers fastened to the rear glass for
over 10 years. The acrylic sealant still supports both speakers. Therefore I
know head restraints could be mounted easily.
Urethane upholstery foam covered with monogrammed leather would be a nice
custom touch in any truck.
While I am beating this horse to death (I'm not the first!), let me
speculate that Ford deleted the restraints mainly because drivers complained
about the obstructed view. No these mirror challenged drivers couldn't just
remove the head restraints, they won't consider such a solution!
Perhaps the best head restraint would be a padded leather strip about 6"
tall covering the window from side to side, such that a head couldn't hit
bare glass. Had Ford provided stock restraints, continuous protection would
not have been available.

Eric

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:21:12 EST
From: WVJKQ
Subject: Re: overhead console

has anyone seen the overhhead consoles on the 99 lariet. i havent seen any
lariets yet just xlt.

please quit whinning about the head restriants. i understand your concern but
LET IT GO


JIM

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:58:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: re: head restraints

At 08:34 AM 3/28/98 -0800, you wrote:
- -snip-
>
>Have we hit a senstive spot here, Ken? I know you're not associated with Ford.
>I'm simply discussing an issue with a truck that I wanted to purchase. If you,
>as creator of this forum don't want this discussion - then stop it.
>
>rich
>

If you know this isn't Ford, why do you expect them to be here to
answer your questions? You said it, not once, but twice, in your
last posting:

"or until Ford responds in this forum."
"but then - Ford certainly isn't jumping in here to make a
comment on why this was removed."

I don't moderate the lists so I'm not (in your words) going to
stop it. We've had many posts on the lists since they started,
many were complaints, but most aren't beaten to death.

IMHO, this topic has died. Talk about it if you still think
Ford might join the list because of it....

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:36:38 -0500
From: "Ann Mitchell"
Subject: Re: overhead console

I hear they have head restraints

Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: WVJKQ
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: overhead console


>has anyone seen the overhhead consoles on the 99 lariet. i havent seen any
>lariets yet just xlt.
>
>please quit whinning about the head restriants. i understand your concern
but
>LET IT GO
>
>
>JIM
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:53:04 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: overhead console

At 03:36 PM 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I hear they have head restraints
>
>Steve

Touche'!

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:51:58 EST
From: WVJKQ
Subject: Re: overhead console

I was hoping they had them installed there.

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:00:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: New and Improved stickers

The 1st batch of stickers that we've been selling to fund
the web site and the Ford truck mailing lists have finally
been sold. We just got our second batch back from the
printer. Its very similar to the current sticker except
its larger and the web address font is different. This
sticker is **much** easier to read. Price is the same.

For those that don't know, to fund the web site I sell
static cling window stickers. Go to the main page and
click "Products" for full information (note, the page
says the sticker is 2.75" x 11", its now 3" x 12").

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:55:00 -0500
From: Mike Kappes
Subject: Radio Noise

I have a problem with radio noise in my two way radios in my 98 Explorer.
Can anyone help me out?

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:36:30 -0600
From: "Mike Smith"
Subject: Re: overhead console

- -----Original Message-----
From: WVJKQ
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: overhead console


>has anyone seen the overhhead consoles on the 99 lariet. i havent seen any
>lariets yet just xlt.

Thursday night i test drove a F250 Lariat edition that had the leather
interior. The
overhead console had a "cubby Hole" in it that looked like it would drop all
of its contents
into the back seat if you accelerated to fast. Then down towards the
windshield they have
an LCD display that was set to display the compass heading and the MPG that....

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