fordtrucks97up-digest Thursday, April 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 067



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In this issue:

Re: restricted deliv. ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Need help with engine/axle combination [Cliff Straw
re: order restrictions ["Harald" ]
Invoice prices ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Need help with engine/axle combination ["Union Auto"
Re: On Hold [jdb pacbell.net]
Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems ["Jeff Schapker"
Re: On Hold ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems ["Union Auto"
Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems [Ryan Gajeski
Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems ["Jeff Schapker"
Re: Invoice prices [KWkM3 ]
When [Lee Haefele ]
Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems [RAMWORKER
E4OD Transmission [Doug Munday ]

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:25:01 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.

No it is on the driver's side only. If you go to www.truckworld.com they
have a good article in the truck tests section that tells a lot about the
PTO.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: KWkM3
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.


>Yeah i figured. I just wanted to double check. Thanks for the info. Is it
true
>that you have the option of what side of the trans you want the pto on?
>
>Harry

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:46:34 -0400
From: Cliff Straw
Subject: Re: Need help with engine/axle combination

Several postings to this list have mentioned that the 3.73 limited slip axle is not
available on an F350 with the V10. From what I see at several web sites, this is true
for the dual rear wheel trucks but not for the single rear wheel. Does anyone know for
sure that you can or can't get the 3.73 limited slip axle with a SINGLE rear wheel F350?

Thanks,
Cliff

Sven Setterdahl wrote:

> One thing to keep in mind is that you can't get the 3.73 axle with limited slip
> comboed with the V10. This would have been my choice, too. But without the LS axle
> I won't do it. The OHC engines do seem to like gear, though. A lot of guys are
> running 4.10s in their Cobras and love it. They don't seem to lose as much in the
> mileage dept. either.
>
> Sven

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:13:48 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: re: order restrictions

A great place to check what options can be ordered on which truck is:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com
It's the Kelley Blue Book page and you can look up factory invoice pricing
on trucks. The invoice shows what features can be ordered together or which
ones can't be ordered (like I can't order 4.10 limited slip rear axle with
my V10 engine). Check it out


Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:45:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Invoice prices

This type of service is very useful but it is not totally correct. Their
prices are correct except on top of the invoice Ford Bills us for the amount
of fuel the vehicle is shipped with ($9-25 worth) and every region adds a
FDAF assessment (Ford Dealer Advertising Fund). This varies slightly region
to region and from different car lines. It is usually around $140. This
money is used for the regional promotions. For example, my region as 6
months free fuel on ZX2, $250 additional rebate on Ranger 4X4, and free
bedliners in Ranger and all F-series trucks (starting tomorrow). However
DOC fees and other charges are not real Ford charges and who knows what else
somebody might try to slip in.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Harald
To: fordtrucks97up listservice.net
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 10:21 AM
Subject: re: order restrictions


>A great place to check what options can be ordered on which truck is:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com
>It's the Kelley Blue Book page and you can look up factory invoice pricing
>on trucks. The invoice shows what features can be ordered together or
which
>ones can't be ordered (like I can't order 4.10 limited slip rear axle with
>my V10 engine). Check it out
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Harald Stenger

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:55:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: Need help with engine/axle combination

According to the order guide a F-350 SRW V-10 is available with a 3.73 LS,
however, a DRW is not. I have talked to some people at Ford and there will
probably be more axles available this fall (they have to emissions certify
each ratio with and without Limited slip). Also look for some new colors
and deletion of some of the lesser selling colors (purple and orange).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Straw
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Need help with engine/axle combination


>Several postings to this list have mentioned that the 3.73 limited slip
axle is not
>available on an F350 with the V10. From what I see at several web sites,
this is true
>for the dual rear wheel trucks but not for the single rear wheel. Does
anyone know for
>sure that you can or can't get the 3.73 limited slip axle with a SINGLE
rear wheel F350?
>
>Thanks,
>Cliff
>
>Sven Setterdahl wrote:
>
>> One thing to keep in mind is that you can't get the 3.73 axle with
limited slip
>> comboed with the V10. This would have been my choice, too. But without
the LS axle
>> I won't do it. The OHC engines do seem to like gear, though. A lot of
guys are
>> running 4.10s in their Cobras and love it. They don't seem to lose as
much in the
>> mileage dept. either.
>>
>> Sven

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:14:53 -0700
From: jdb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: On Hold

It's not clear to me whether the HOLD is just on DRWs only or not...Is
there a hold on SRWs with a V10?

Also, is there a hold on Remote keyless entry??



Union Auto wrote:
>
> You are correct. I put one in and it says "Super Duty DRW with gas engine
> HOLD TBD" so it may be a while. There might be other restrictions I have
> missed also. I just listed the ones I see on a regular basis. I sell
> mostly Diesel 4x4's so other trucks might have a lot of small things I
> missed. If anyone knows of anymore let me know.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Haefele
> To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: On Hold
>
> >I just found out my 99 F350 SuperCab 4X4 DRW cab-chassis is "On Hold",
> >It was ordered 2 months ago! Reason: Dual wheels & V-10 engine.
> >Lee Haefele
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:03:06 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems

Check out this site that talks about the problems with the electric SOF.
Would like to hear some feedback on this subject. Thanks, Jeff


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/f250-1097/index.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:42:07 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: On Hold

V-10 SRW is OK, Keyless entry without the Power seat is on hold. If you get
both it is buildable.

Nathan
- -----Original Message-----
From: jdb pacbell.net
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: On Hold


>It's not clear to me whether the HOLD is just on DRWs only or not...Is
>there a hold on SRWs with a V10?
>
>Also, is there a hold on Remote keyless entry??
>
>
>
>Union Auto wrote:
>>
>> You are correct. I put one in and it says "Super Duty DRW with gas
engine
>> HOLD TBD" so it may be a while. There might be other restrictions I have
>> missed also. I just listed the ones I see on a regular basis. I sell
>> mostly Diesel 4x4's so other trucks might have a lot of small things I
>> missed. If anyone knows of anymore let me know.
>>
>> Nathan Bernard
>> Union Auto, Inc.
>>

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:51:12 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems

I think somebody might be having some fun here. The same names show up
again later on the list bragging about how much power the Cummins has
compared to the Power Stroke. If you have driven both you would not be able
to make such a conclusion (yes I am biased but they are VERY different in
power). Also it says that they only build 3 motors a week for new trucks,
well I get one of those three every week so I guess I am pretty lucky.
Also they start the Dudge crew cab rumor a little lower. So I would say a
couple of Dudge fanatics are trying to mess with the Ford list. Can you
blame them they are way behind in technology, options, power, mileage and
still cost more!

The system the SD uses is the same as all Ford's have used with push button
or knob 4x4. The Explorer and Expediton use Control Trac witch lets the
computer engage and disengage the transfer case without driver input to
allow for a suprise patch of ice. The Hub setup is new (shared with the
Ranger) because the old auto hubs were a problem, but I don't think there
will be any (everything brakes its just how often) problem that the other
systems (manual or whatever) won't have. I one in the computer and got no
hold info. Most of the SD's I am selling have the SOF and I haven't seen
one problem yet (other than user error, you have to be in neutral not park
to get out of low range).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Schapker
To: fordtrucks97up listservice.net
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 12:09 PM
Subject: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems


> Check out this site that talks about the problems with the electric SOF.
>Would like to hear some feedback on this subject. Thanks, Jeff
>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/f250-1097/index.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:47:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ryan Gajeski
Subject: Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems

Yes dodge sucks and always will be years behind. Lets see, when were they
the best selling pickup? That should be a no brainer to figure out.

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:18:33 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems

Thanks Nathan for your help. I was thinking about changing my order, but I
think I will stay with SOF. I did not want to order it if Ford was having a
lot of trouble. I like the convenience and it keeps the shift lever off the
floor. You hear arguments both ways, I hope I made the right decision.
Thanks Again,
Jeff

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:58:52 EDT
From: KWkM3
Subject: Re: Invoice prices

In a message dated 98-04-29 11:50:38 EDT, you write:


prices are correct except on top of the invoice Ford Bills us for the amount
of fuel the vehicle is shipped with ($9-25 worth) and every region adds a
FDAF assessment (Ford Dealer Advertising Fund). This varies slightly region
to region and from different car lines. It is usually around $140. This
money is used for the regional promotions. For example, my region as 6
months free fuel on ZX2, $250 additional rebate on Ranger 4X4, and free
bedliners in Ranger and all F-series trucks (starting tomorrow). However
DOC fees and other charges are not real Ford charges and who knows what else
somebody might try to slip in.

Nathan Bernard >>

Yes but isnt it true that you dont charge the fdaf if the truck was an
order?(i.e. not off the lot)

Harry

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:06:09 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: When

So, I ordered my F-350 4X4, DRW, Cab-chassis end of Feb, get notice of
"On Hold, TBD" (due to V-10 & DRW) end of April (# !*%!), When is it
likely that I will receive this truck???? :-(
Lee Haefele

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:33:50 EDT
From: RAMWORKER
Subject: Re: Ford F-250 and F-350 Forum SOF Problems

Hello List!

In a message dated 4/29/98 12:52:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
unionaut adiis.net writes:

> I think somebody might be having some fun here. The same names show up
>again later on the list bragging about how much power the Cummins has
>compared to the Power Stroke. If you have driven both you would not be able
>to make such a conclusion (yes I am biased but they are VERY different in
>power).

Agreed. The new 24 valve Cummins (I.S.B.) will not win a race with a late
model Power Stroke, although I do think they will pull heavy loads together.
Dodge / Cummins did not take over the hot shot trucking industry from Ch*vy
with an inferior product in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Ford's are still
a minority in this market, but the new Super Duty F550 and Power Stroke
combined with the new electronic controls on the 24 valve Cummins may change
that mix in the near future. I have heard Ford has had problems with the
electronic controls and so has Dodge. I hope to hear much more about the
Super Duty from this list. BTW, who had the name "Super Duty" first, Pontiac
or Ford?

> Also they start the Dudge crew cab rumor a little lower.

A little lower? There will NOT be a Dodge crew cab in the foreseeable future

> So I would say a
>couple of Dudge fanatics are trying to mess with the Ford list.

I haven't seen this, was it recent? I'm only on the '97 and up list, could
that have been on one of the other Ford lists? If you still have that, would
you be kind enough to forward it to me?

> Can you
> blame them they are way behind in technology, options, power, mileage and
> still cost more!

Can you be specific about technology, price, and options? The other items are
subject to the old Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV) syndrome of E.P.A.
disclaimers. I think ALL the heavy duty trucks are extremely overpriced.

Best Regards,
Robert Stout

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:08:09
From: Doug Munday
Subject: E4OD Transmission

I have a 1997 F-150 SuperCab 4x4 with the 5.4L and E4OD transmission. I am
wondering if anyone else feels that Ford really made a boo boo with this
transmission and how it shifts? What I am referring to, is the fact that
the transmission, while driving around 30 to 40 mph and out of OD, will not
come out of TC (torque converter) lockup until you mash on the throttle and
the trans downshifts to second with a jerk and a roar! Every other modern
auto transmission that I know of, including my old Ranger, my wife's
Explorer and my fiend's 1997 F-150 with the 4.6L and 4R70W trans will
unlock from TC lockup to provide the torgue to smoothly accelerate. The
trans also goes into TLC much too early, around 30 mph, which makes things
worse. I live in the mountains and drive at the 5000 to 7000 foot
elevation around winding mountain roads and this truck is a pig until you
put your foot in it to get it to downshift. A terrible waste of a good
engine!

I have taken it in to the dealer twice and have confirmed that nothing is
wrong with the truck. I drove another similar truck, except 1998, and it
did the same thing. I have talked to the Qualify Engineer at the Ford
transmission plant and he has confirmed that this is how the E4OD was....

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