fordtrucks97up-digest Wednesday, April 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 066



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In this issue:

Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition ["Union Auto" ]
Re: restricted deliv. ["Union Auto" ]
Re: On Hold ["Union Auto" ]
1999 Super Duty SOF Problems ["Jeff Schapker" ]
Re: 1999 Super Duty SOF Problems ["Union Auto" ]
Re: Engine/axle combination ["Harald" ]
Re: restricted deliv. [KWkM3 ]
Re: Engine/axle combination [KWkM3 ]
Re: Engine/axle combination [WVJKQ ]
Re: Need help with engine/axle combination [Sven Setterdahl
ADMIN: New list server working [Ken Payne ]
'97 Ranger Questions [Eddie Torres ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:53:59 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: Manual vs Automatic transmition

In a manual transmission if you have 500 lb/ft of torque going in you have
500 lb/ft going out (minus parasitic loss of course). An automatic has a
torque converter. This allows slip and multiples torque. Most torque
converters are 2 to 1 (or in that range). This means that if you have 500
lb/ft at the flywheel it gets multiplied to 1000 lb/ft going out, therefore
giving more power for towing. The drawback comes from automatics used to
loose a lot of horsepower in the process and also got worse mileage. In the
later trucks they have made them more efficient and when cruising the torque
converter can "lock up" which cuts the slip and improves mileage. This is a
hacked up version of what happens but it gives you the theory of why a auto
will pull more than a Manual transmission.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ahmed Cruz
To: fordtrucks97up listservice.net
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:42 PM
Subject: Manual vs Automatic transmition


>Hi, Can some can body explain to me. Why automatic trany can tow more
>pound that manual transmition?
>Ahmed

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:02:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.

The keyless entry and power seat probably share a wiring harness (or they
just want to sell more). There is a lot of weird stuff like this when they
redesign a vehicle. The Aux. idle control is only available with the Power
Stroke witch is a drive by wire engine. There is no throttle cable. If you
use a Wrecker, Ambulance, or something that uses PTO or needs RPMs increased
to run a hydraulic pump or other unit the Aux.. idle control does this. If
you have a gas engine you hook a manual cable to the throttle to accomplish
this.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258
- -----Original Message-----
From: KWkM3
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.


>In a message dated 98-04-27 13:50:46 EDT, you write:
>
>
> (available aprox July), Shortbox crew cabs (available this fall), Lariat
> with carpet delete option, and the Full function aux. idle control. There
> are many things that are short (I.E. Tutone paint, DRW, F-550, Trailer
> towing pkg..., and other things run out the first day of scheduling. The
> Off
> Road package is available.
>
> Nathan Bernard >>
>
>I was wondering if you could explain to me how the power seats are related
to
>keyless entry? Also what does the aux idle control do for you? Any input
is
>appreciated.
>
>Harry

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:15:42 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: On Hold

You are correct. I put one in and it says "Super Duty DRW with gas engine
HOLD TBD" so it may be a while. There might be other restrictions I have
missed also. I just listed the ones I see on a regular basis. I sell
mostly Diesel 4x4's so other trucks might have a lot of small things I
missed. If anyone knows of anymore let me know.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Haefele
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: On Hold


>I just found out my 99 F350 SuperCab 4X4 DRW cab-chassis is "On Hold",
>It was ordered 2 months ago! Reason: Dual wheels & V-10 engine.
>Lee Haefele

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:51:37 -0500
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: 1999 Super Duty SOF Problems

Has anyone heard about problems with electric shift-on-the-fly and that it
is on hold until June 14. If they are having a lot of trouble with this
system, I want to change my order to the manual system before it's to late.
Thanks, Jeff

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:43:57 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: 1999 Super Duty SOF Problems

I haven't heard of any problems with this system. If anyone tells you of
any make sure they aren't talking about the old body style (97 and older)
auto hubs. Those things were always going out. What do you have ordered?
I have no holds on any of my shift on the fly trucks.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Schapker
To: fordtrucks97up listservice.net
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 11:59 AM
Subject: 1999 Super Duty SOF Problems


> Has anyone heard about problems with electric shift-on-the-fly and that
it
>is on hold until June 14. If they are having a lot of trouble with this
>system, I want to change my order to the manual system before it's to late.
> Thanks, Jeff

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:10:43 -0700
From: "Harald"
Subject: Re: Engine/axle combination

>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:56:51 -0400
>From: Cliff Straw
>Subject: Need help with engine/axle combination
>
>I plan to purchase a 1999 F350 SuperCab 4x4 SRW to carry a 3,000 pound
>slide-in camper. I am trying to decide which gas engine/axle
>combination to get with this truck (my current truck is a Chevy K2500
>with 5.7L V8 and 4.10 axle).

I've ordered the same truck (with a May 18 ETA, yippee) and I went with the
V10 and 4.30 gears. The 4.10 gears seemed like a more ideal ratio, but Ford
won't sell that rearend with the V10. I too am hauling a 3,000+LB camper.
My main reason for getting the 4.30 gears is that I'm planning on getting
bigger tires down the road and that will change the effective ratio down to
something like 4.10. I went with the V10 because I have a 302ci V8 in my
current Ford pickup and I just want more HP and torque. I've towed trailers
with my current truck and it just lacks power in the mountains where I live
(Washington state).


Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:58:14 EDT
From: KWkM3
Subject: Re: restricted deliv.

In a message dated 98-04-28 09:06:49 EDT, you write:


Stroke witch is a drive by wire engine. There is no throttle cable. If you
use a Wrecker, Ambulance, or something that uses PTO or needs RPMs increased
to run a hydraulic pump or other unit the Aux.. idle control does this. If
you have a gas engine you hook a manual cable to the throttle to accomplish
this.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258 >>

Yeah i figured. I just wanted to double check. Thanks for the info. Is it true
that you have the option of what side of the trans you want the pto on?

Harry

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:09:37 EDT
From: KWkM3
Subject: Re: Engine/axle combination

In a message dated 98-04-28 14:12:54 EDT, you write:


V10 and 4.30 gears. The 4.10 gears seemed like a more ideal ratio, but Ford
won't sell that rearend with the V10. I too am hauling a 3,000+LB camper.
My main reason for getting the 4.30 gears is that I'm planning on getting
bigger tires down the road and that will change the effective ratio down to
something like 4.10. I went with the V10 because I have a 302ci V8 in my
current Ford pickup and I just want more HP and torque. I've towed trailers
with my current truck and it just lacks power in the mountains where I live
(Washington state).


Sincerely,
Harald Stenger >>

That bothers me. You should be able to get any gear you want ,unless the axles
are different for the v10 and diesel. I was under the impression that all 250
and 350 4x4's got a dana 50 front / 10 1/2 ford rear(with srw) and the drw got
dana 60 front and dana 80(or 135) rear. Anyone know if you can get a psd with
auto and 4.10's(350 srw 4x4)?

Harry

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:28:28 EDT
From: WVJKQ
Subject: Re: Engine/axle combination

Harry u can get 4.10 & 3.73 with the psd


jim

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:02:34 -0500
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: Need help with engine/axle combination

One thing to keep in mind is that you can't get the 3.73 axle with limited slip
comboed with the V10. This would have been my choice, too. But without the LS axle
I won't do it. The OHC engines do seem to like gear, though. A lot of guys are
running 4.10s in their Cobras and love it. They don't seem to lose as much in the
mileage dept. either.

Sven

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>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:56:51 -0400
> From: Cliff Straw
> Subject: Need help with engine/axle combination
>
> I plan to purchase a 1999 F350 SuperCab 4x4 SRW to carry a 3,000 pound
> slide-in camper. I am trying to decide which gas engine/axle
> combination to get with this truck (my current truck is a Chevy K2500
> with 5.7L V8 and 4.10 axle).
>
> I have driven several trucks with the 5.4L V8 with 3.73 and 4.10 axle.
> Between these two the 4.10 axle seemed like a better match I also
> drove a V10 with the 4.30 axle which is an extremely smooth and powerful
> combination. I really liked the feel of the V10 and have decided to go
> with this engine. Now I need to decide which axle to get.
> Unfortunately I have not been able to find a V10/3.73 combination to
> try.
>
> Because I will drive this truck to work everyday I would prefer to go
> with the 3.73 axle. But I also want to make sure I can cruise with the
> camper loaded and stay in overdrive most of the time.
>
> I would appreciate hearing your opinion of this engine and how it
> performs with the 3.73 or 4.30 axles.
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:31:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: New list server working

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:20:02 -0600
From: Eddie Torres
Subject: '97 Ranger Questions

I have a 1997 Ranger XLT, 4 cyl., 4x2. A couple of questions, if you
don't mind. . .please.

1) Has anyone else's handle for the brake release broken?
2) I bought a light for the outside of the truck, about 9 inches long,
it says to wire it to a 12 volt thing, or the lighting wiring system. I
do not know how to do this. Does anyone have easy instructions?
3) My tires squeal just about every corner. The tire is so smooth you
couldn't find the difference between the tire's texture and the texture
of a pear. Why did they wear so fast? (15k miles). I only went....

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