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fordtrucks97up-digest Friday, March 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 024



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In this issue:

Re: Ford -vs Chevy [Chad Royse ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [Denny King ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [Ryan Gajeski ]
Re: Chevy Trucks Verses Ford Trucks [Ryan Gajeski
re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [bklm juno.com]
Re: 1998 F150 Exhaust ["Ann Mitchell" ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [Chad Royse ]
Any info on the F650 and F750 ["Randy Robb" ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [Scoop531 ]
re: Any info on the F650 and F750 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Ford vs. Chevy [Jim Clementz ]
Chevy Jokes [Scoop531 ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth [BigFords1 ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [BigFords1 ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [BigFords1 ]
Re: Chevy Jokes [BigFords1 ]
Re: Ford -vs Chevy [BigFords1 ]
ADMIN: Another milestone [Ken Payne ]
re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:13:45 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

I have read many articles that say Chevy interior plastics and mechanics (switches, handles, etc.) are sub-par. Making them prone to squeaks, rattles,
fading, cracking, and pre-mature failure. I've also heard mixed reviews about their fuel injection system which is literally inside the intake manifold.
But the biggest reason I would never consider one is, Chevy's lame 4x4 hub actuators. They temporarily disengage when hit by snow or cold water, disengage
when the ignition is off, and seem to die very prematurely. I don't actually know any of this first hand, but have heard plenty from others.

Chad

Ken Payne wrote:

> Here's a question for everyone, someone sent it to my
> web admin email address. I'm not very familiar with the
> new Chevys so I can't answer this well:
>
> > I have a question.Could you tell me the major differences of ford trucks and >Chevrolet trucks?I know its a wierd question but its been on my mind.
>
> Please, honest answers, not "Chevy Sucks" (we already know that!).
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:21:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Denny King
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

I think the biggest difference is the engines the Ford Triton Engines
are overhead cam, the 5.4 dosent have spark plug wires, small coils
are attached to the top of each plug. My service manual recommends
first spark plug change at 112,000 miles. (Glad about that, I bet they
cost alot.)

I understand chevy is droping there 5.0 and 5.7 engines and going with
smaller overhead cam engines like ford.

Ford body style beats Chevy by far. I also understand Ford holds a
patent on the rear hinged supercab door and GM and Dodge pay a
royality to Ford on every one they sell.

Now the 99 SuperDuty Fords are out leaving Chevy even further behind.



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:56:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Ryan Gajeski
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

Chevy isn't on the same planet. Their (box) design was cool for the late
80's I thought. Too bad we are no longer in that decade. Yes chevy does
come with nice aluminum rims but a loaded z-71 chevy can't compete with
a nice "off road" lariet pakage. Ryan

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:10:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Ryan Gajeski
Subject: Re: Chevy Trucks Verses Ford Trucks

Chevys body style does even compare. Theirs was cool for the late 80's
but we are no longer in that decade. Chevy do come with really nice rims
but a nice chevy is no where near as nice as an off road, lariet package that
you can order your ford with. Long live the sharpest pickup up to date.
Ryan

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:47:55, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth

Hmmmm, where to start....first of all, Ford's Triton Engines put out
more torque at less RPM, hence better fuel economy while towing. The
Triton's peak horsepower is at a lower RPM which also means better
fuel economy. Ford's base engine in the 150, the 4.2L, develops more
horsepower than Chebby's base 4.3. Ford has a much higher towing
capacity and payload and has a lower base price. Also, the Ford's
interior layout has always been rated the best user friendly and new
looks are far better than the Chebby's old and new look. If you want
to get into the new 1999 Super Duties, well here ya go:
The 5.4L puts out 5 more ft-lbs of torque than the 5.7L. The V10 has
the same amount of torque than the 454, but at lower RPM. The 6.5L
turbo-diesel is NO MATCH for the 7.3L. The skimpy 6.5L puts out
195hp at 3400 rpm and 420 lbs-ft at 1800 rpm, but the beastly 7.3L
puts out 235 hp at only 2700 rpm and a massive 500 lbs.-ft at only
1600 rpm! Oh yeah, you can get a 6 speed manual with the 7.3L Also
the box is taller, wider, longer, so has more cargo space than the
Chevy. It also has more interior cab room in regular cab, super cab,
and even crew cab. The highest GVW with Ford and 4x4 is 17,500 and
the highest GVW with Chevy and 4x4 is 12,000. Ford's braking system
for the 99 super duties is 4 wheel disc brake and rear ABS standard.
On any truck higher than 11,000 lbs GVW, 4 wheel abs is standard. It-
s too bad chevy's are front disc, rear drum still. On last note,
Ford's new automatic is available with a PTO provision...can't say
that about Chevy.

In conclusion, Ford's have a higher payload, way higher towing
capacity, better brakes, in most cases more torque, larger cabs, more
user-friendly interiors and dashboards, a refreshed up-to-date look,
only available PTO opening with an automatic, only 6 speed manual
with the diesel, 4x4 up to 17,500 gvwr, larger box, much bigger
(compare side by side), and give better fuel economy. If I have
forgotten anything, add in your $.02.
So I guess you could say Chevy's suck even though you didn't want me
to say it. Do you all agree?

Josh

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:49:42 +0000
From: bklm juno.com
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

I have a question.Could you tell me the major differences of ford
>trucks and >Chevrolet trucks?I know its a weird question but its been
>on my mind.


Admittedly, I have been mildly loyal to Chevrolet/GMC almost all my (19
year) life. The fact that there are seven+ Chevy V8s in my driveway with
an average of just under a quarter million miles each, has something to
do with my allegiance. In order to get anywhere productive in a topic of
this nature objectivity has to reign.

Why am I on this list? I'll be the first to admit that the new Super Duty
line is very impressive. GVWRs up to 19,000, 500ft/lb diesel, and the
variety of available chassis configurations begin the list.

When I want the very best truck on the market today the foremost thing on
my mind is engine and drive train. Chevy has excelled in the powertrain
department for decades.

"...its tough to find a complaint about the small-block Chevy - arguably
the most successful V8 ever built...the Chevy small-block didn't take
long to prove that it was, and remains, one of the most ingenious
mechanical designs of this century..."
-Truckin' September 1997, page 190

I'll try to kept this relatively short but Chevy's automatic
transmissions and rearends have been just as notoriously "bulletproof."

Currently Chevy's engines produce reasonably similar horsepower and
torque figures with Ford engines of similar displacement. One factor that
should not be overlooked is that the Chevy engines produce their peak
torque at a lower RPM than the Fords which is important when hauling
heavy loads. I understand that Chevy engines are consistantly producing
better MPG numbers. The Ford 4.6liter is EPA rated at 14/18 with the auto
or manual. The Chevy 5.7, with 24% more displacement is rated at 15/19
auto and better with the manual. (I just got these figures from
www.edmunds.com. The vehical the engine is in does change things
slightly.) Another area Chevy shines is the aftermarket arena. Chevy V8's
are more readily upgradable than any other truck engine. If you ever
wander through a classic car show count the number of Fords with a Chevy
350 under the hood. Surely some people must have put a Ford engine in
their Chevys but I have yet to see one. The percentages aren't even
close.

Chevy antilock brakes have been an issue over the last few years. Many
have complained of a spongy pedal feel. (GM says all our complaints will
be eliminated with the new design and standard four wheel discs.) I don't
know all that much about handling and braking feel of Fords. The website
I mentioned above lists 60-0MPH distances for Ford
as 143 feet and 145 feet for the Chevy. Both were half ton two wheel
drive longboxes.

I believe someone on the list made mention of GM's front axle engagement
system. It is very true that the temperature controlled gas setup is
affected by extreme cold. At least two aftermarket options relieve this
problem. One is a mechanical cable setup and the other uses engine
vacuum. Both are fairly inexpensive.

The interior of the Chevy truck is second to Ford according to many.
Expect that to change with Chevy's redesign, or at least the margin of
difference will be narrowed drastically. In 1988-1992 when the Chevy
design was fresh they held a very distinct advantage. The same principle
applies to the Ford redesign and will again become a factor with the
introduction of the new Chevy. Each manufacture launches off the
successes of the other and takes the truck to a new level benefiting us,
the consumer.

The Diesel engine offered by each Company is significantly different.
Ford has to be declared the winner in the sheer power department owing
partly to an extra liter of displacement. However, there are other
factors. The Chevy Diesel is about $1500 less than the Ford. Trailer Life
magazine felt that the Chevy was the most user friendly of the big three
Diesels. In other words it is the most similar to driving a gas engine,
throttle response, RPM range, and lowest noise level etc.

This has gone on long enough for now. I am however open to more
discussion on more specific aspects of comparison or comments on which
truck might be better suited for a particular application.

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:59:09 -0500
From: "Ann Mitchell"
Subject: Re: 1998 F150 Exhaust

Jim:
Did you install the dual pipes or single? Did you do it yourself or have a
shop do it? What part of the country are you in? From a monetary
standpoint I hope the exhaust lasts at least a few years.

Steve
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From: Jim Clementz
To: fordtrucks97up ListService.net
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: 1998 F150 Exhaust


>Steve:
>
>I just replaced the exhaust on my 98 F150 with a Gibson 3" cat back.
>The exhaust
>removed seems to be about 18 gauge steel. My truck was built last
>October and
>there was already a good deal of corrosion on the exhaust. I don't
>believe it's
>stainless or aluminized. Love the Gibson though much better anyway.
>Awesome
>sound with more HP and Torque.
>
>Jim
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:25:05 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

BKLM:

I have a feeling pandora's box is officially opened. :)

Anyway, I believe that Mr. Tenney is correct that almost all of Ford's
current engines produce torque and HP peaks below that of current Ch#vy's.
Also, most people buy their diesels for endurance and power, not gasoline
like properties. Ford's, unlike Ch#vy's, use direct-injection. It's proven
to be more reliable and more efficient and yes, noisier! Personally I like
the rumble of the diesel. In all honesty if you wanted Ch#vy diesel torque
ratings and gasoline driveability, get the new Ford V-10.

As far as the hubs go I haven't seen the vaccuum hubs, but the cable ones
look like a manual choke kit. An ugly pull nob under the dash. The good
news is that supposedly they're (thermal/gas actuators) gone in the next
generation.

Don't feel flamed, it was all with good intentions. And it is a Ford List!
:)

Chad

bklm Juno.Com wrote:

> (Uhh... It's long. Go look at the original post.)

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:34:25 -0600
From: "Randy Robb"
Subject: Any info on the F650 and F750

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:42:02 EST
From: Scoop531
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

Well first off the Ford F seris is celabrating its fifthy aniversery

Fords seem to be more relible there companys service is much better and they
have resonibile prices body wise they are different F- 150 and some F-250's
are more of a sporst truck/dodge ram look But the 1999 F-250 to 550's arte
more of the tough look of a dodge Interior the Fords seem to have the same
options and others things that most trucks do.

Cheveys have a kinda square shape that the company have use since the late
80's

All this is my opion

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:49:52, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Any info on the F650 and F750

Randy,

>From what I have heard, Ford is going to produce a F650 and F750 up
to 33,000 GVWR with the same cab style as the F250-F550. I also
heard that Ford is going to put the 7.3L Power Stroke in them instead
of the Cummins they are currently using in the F800s. Would an F800
appeal to you in any way?

Josh
Lakeland Truck Center
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:35:58 -0500
From: Jim Clementz
Subject: Ford vs. Chevy

Okay.... Hope I don't get flamed for this but will throw in my 3 cents
worth. I
recently bought a 98 F150 4.6l. It's the first Ford I've owned since a
68 mustang
in high school. I have owned 3 S-10's, 1 Jimmy and a 95 C-1500 to
mention but
a few vehicles. Going in, I didn't have any loyalty to any of the big 3
and looked at
them all equally.

The C-1500 I had, I liked. It was a 5.0l V-8 and had good power. At
the time I
bought it, it was the most comfortable full size for me without getting
a extended cab.
I'm 6-2" and the cab on the old F-150's particularly the seats were very
uncomfortable
for a large person. Never had any problem with the truck and liked
driving it. Never
had any problem with the S-10's either except on the first two I thought
the 2.8l V-6
was a dog. Too small for the truck especially on one that is a 4WD.

I started by looking at Chevys when I bought mine but didn't like any of
the dealers
in my area. All the salesmen (two were women) wouldn't let me get 5ft
away from
their evil clutches. They could give me the darned thing for $50.00 and
I wouldn't
buy from a high pressure lot vulture. The Dodge dealers wouldn't budge
off of sticker
price for a Ram even on a '97. Forget that - it's a year old and
depreciated.

Both Ford dealers here were good. The salesman I bought from offered me
a test
drive even though I was "just looking" and not purchasing that night. I
liked the drive
of the truck, it is very comfortable for a large man and the power from
the 4.6l is
fairly impressive. But I have to admit, I'm a bit hesitant to work on
the OHV V-8
and it looks like changing plugs will be a bear. I like to wrench on it
myself and
think (my flamed opinion) that the Chevy is a bit easier to work on.
Overall, I'm
very satisfied with the truck and it hasn't gone back to the dealer for
anything in
6500 miles not even for a squeak or rattle. Never had that happen
before. When
I drove and sat in the Dodge and closed the door, it seemed like the
door would
fall apart. About the same as all my other previous mopar experiences.
Cheaply
built with chintzy components.

Pardon my being a bit long winded but not much on the 97 and up list the
last few
days so thought I'd put out some food for thought.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:42:54 EST
From: Scoop531
Subject: Chevy Jokes

I am looking for any jokes tht bash Chevys so Please send them


Ed Dougherty

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:40:11 EST
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth

WOW!!! I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:47:08 EST
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

Well said.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:08:22 EST
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

O.K., on the diesel subject. More user friendly eh. It's more similar to
>driving a gas engine because it's so weak! The throttle response and rpm
range
>are like a gas because Chevy couldn't build a good diesel if their life
>depended on it! When you buy a diesel you want a strong truck, not something
>like a gas engine. Ford's Power Stroke (of which I am a proud owner) is a
real
>diesel with real power and performance. The Chevy has the lowest noise level
>because the engine is so gutless it can't growl like the Stroker.
> David

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:17:01 EST
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: Chevy Jokes

Carburator
>Hisses
>Every
>Valve
>Rattles
>Oil
>Leaks
>Every
>Turn

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:19:57 EST
From: BigFords1
Subject: Re: Ford -vs Chevy

Carburator
>Hisses
>Every
>Valve
>Rattles
>Oil
>Leaks
>Every
>Turn

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:55:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Another milestone

Its official: just passed 2000 members. Did a count and
there are now 2017 members on the lists. Thanks everyone!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:12:56 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: re: Ford -vs Chevy-in depth....

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