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97up-list Digest Sun, 04 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 090

In This Issue:
F250 4x4 tires
Re: F250 4x4 tires
Engine oil change freq.
Re: Engine oil change freq.
Re: F250 4x4 tires
The Dreaded Door Crack
Re: The Dreaded Door Crack
Re: The Dreaded Door Crack
Re: The Dreaded Door Crack
Re: The Dreaded Door Crack

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Date: 4 Jun 2000 10:06:37 -0700
From: Ian Poyntz canada.com>
Subject: F250 4x4 tires

Hi all:

I have been told that the Goodyear LT 245/75R 16 Wrangler RT/S tires that came stock on my F250 LD SB 4x4 are not the best. I have also been told that they are 'crap'. I want tires that are capable of handling fairly smooth logging roads, but also without excessive noise on the highway. I have some questions on this subject:

1. Is this Goodyear tire really an inferior tire
2. On rough roads with a camper is it better to drive with the max rated tire pressure or will less pressure equate to less flats
3. What is the best tire for the job
4. Will I really increase fuel consumption and confuse the trucks computer if I put a larger tire on the truck. This is what Goodyear has said.

I have heard that Michelin and Hancock tires make a good rough road tire. Opinions?

Thanks for the input.

Ian...



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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:01:44 EDT
Subject: Re: F250 4x4 tires

In a message dated 6/4/00 1:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, poyntz canada.com
writes:

Yea they pretty much suck, I know a few people that have had them. But i
can't say much better about Firestones i had.

Its not really inferior, just expensive replacement costs. More pressure,
less will make for dangerous sway. I only adjust pressure from stock (65)
if i feel the it needs it. Yes it will result in lower mileage with a larger
tire, it takes more power to turn the tire. Best bet for you probably is a
BFG all terrain, or a Michelin LTX, I have had great luck with either line
ride and wear. There both the same company.


Ross Smith
99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC
9sec93cobra
Florida State University
National Champs (again)
<<
Hi all:

I have been told that the Goodyear LT 245/75R 16 Wrangler RT/S tires that
came stock on my F250 LD SB 4x4 are not the best. I have also been told that
they are 'crap'. I want tires that are capable of handling fairly smooth
logging roads, but also without excessive noise on the highway. I have some
questions on this subject:

1. Is this Goodyear tire really an inferior tire
2. On rough roads with a camper is it better to drive with the max rated
tire pressure or will less pressure equate to less flats
3. What is the best tire for the job
4. Will I really increase fuel consumption and confuse the trucks computer
if I put a larger tire on the truck. This is what Goodyear has said.

I have heard that Michelin and Hancock tires make a good rough road tire.
Opinions?

Thanks for the input.

Ian...

>>

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From: DJBurry aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:56:45 EDT
Subject: Engine oil change freq.

Engine oil analysis

We have all the talk about changing our oil & filter at 2500, 3000 or 5000
miles. At what interval should be change our oil and how should we determine
the change interval? I had a 97 PSD (currently own a 2000 PSD) and changed
the oil at 5000 mile internals. The PSD diesel engine holds 15 quarts of
oil, including filter. It was my opinion that having 15 quarts of oil in the
engine, the engine oil can hold and suspend the dirty contaminants, so I
elected to change my oil at the 5000-mile internal. Most gas engines only
hold 5-6 quarts of oil, 1/3 the amount of a PSD.

I still was curious about the condition of the oil changing at 5000 miles.
So I elected to send an oil sample to be analyzed at Analysts Maintenance
Laboratories, Inc, Hoffman States, Ill, 800-222-0071. I have received the
oil analysis and all parameters are in acceptable limits on the engine oil.

My driving conditions/habits are about 60% highway driving and 40% town. I
don't do any heavy towing only a 2500# snowmobile trailer in the winter. I
use Rotella T 15/40 oil, with a K&N oil filter. I have 10k miles on the
truck and this is my second oil change. I think I will send in an oil sample
every 10k miles. The cost was $26.00 for the testing.

Fuel Mileage: My truck is 6 months old with 10k miles. The fuel mileage
never has been very good. I have been getting about 15.5 miles per gallon
overall. I don't drive my PSD hard, but do get my foot into the turbo on
occasion chasing the "Yuppies and the Euro Boxes" up the mountains in
Colorado. But, I just installed a new K&N air filter and the fuel mileage
increased by about 2 miles per gallon. The original stock air filter I
replaced was medium dirty. So, check you filters and watch for air
restrictions on the intake. I have heard rumored there is some after market
air boxes for the PSD trucks for increased airflow.

If you would like a copy of my oil analysis report please send a self
addressed stamped envelope to me and I will return a copy. Dave Burry Box
1303, Arvada, CO 80001

PS: Portland leading LA by 8 points, 7th game.

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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:37:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Engine oil change freq.

In a message dated 6/4/00 9:59:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DJBurry aol.com
writes:

I would recommend not going over the FoMoCo recommended limits especially
when towing, I think they have their reasons for putting changes 3K miles,
Even though it might hold more oil is not really excuse to lengthen the oil
change. NASCAR systems hold as much if not more oil, I realize this is a
racing application, but same principle. Your mileage should increase
slightly about now the motor is just beginning to break in.

BTW: lakers won. Portland would have been a better matchup.

RS
<<

We have all the talk about changing our oil & filter at 2500, 3000 or 5000
miles. At what interval should be change our oil and how should we
determine
the change interval? I had a 97 PSD (currently own a 2000 PSD) and changed
the oil at 5000 mile internals. The PSD diesel engine holds 15 quarts of
oil, including filter. It was my opinion that having 15 quarts of oil in the
engine, the engine oil can hold and suspend the dirty contaminants, so I
elected to change my oil at the 5000-mile internal. Most gas engines only
hold 5-6 quarts of oil, 1/3 the amount of a PSD.

I still was curious about the condition of the oil changing at 5000 miles.
So I elected to send an oil sample to be analyzed at Analysts Maintenance
Laboratories, Inc, Hoffman States, Ill, 800-222-0071. I have received the
oil analysis and all parameters are in acceptable limits on the engine oil.

My driving conditions/habits are about 60% highway driving and 40% town. I
don't do any heavy towing only a 2500# snowmobile trailer in the winter. I
use Rotella T 15/40 oil, with a K&N oil filter. I have 10k miles on the
truck and this is my second oil change. I think I will send in an oil
sample
every 10k miles. The cost was $26.00 for the testing.

Fuel Mileage: My truck is 6 months old with 10k miles. The fuel mileage
never has been very good. I have been getting about 15.5 miles per gallon
overall. I don't drive my PSD hard, but do get my foot into the turbo on
occasion chasing the "Yuppies and the Euro Boxes" up the mountains in
Colorado. But, I just installed a new K&N air filter and the fuel mileage
increased by about 2 miles per gallon. The original stock air filter I
replaced was medium dirty. So, check you filters and watch for air
restrictions on the intake. I have heard rumored there is some after market
air boxes for the PSD trucks for increased airflow.

If you would like a copy of my oil analysis report please send a self
addressed stamped envelope to me and I will return a copy. Dave Burry Box
1303, Arvada, CO 80001

PS: Portland leading LA by 8 points, 7th game. >>

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From: SUGGSRD aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 05:41:04 EDT
Subject: Re: F250 4x4 tires

I have used Cooper Discoverers on all my 4X4 vehicles for about 10 years. We
started buying them at work were our vehicles got a lot of time on logging
roads. This is a tough tire that wears well and clears its treads well.

Bob

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From: "Peter Taylor" vantageinc.com>
Subject: The Dreaded Door Crack
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:16:02 -0600

Well, after 9 months, my dealer finally has the replacement door, and I'm
taking it in tommorrow (June 6th). I guess with all this elapsed time, I'm
wondering what people's experiences have been and things to be aware of.

My dealer is still telling me that the only fix is to replace the whole
door. I'm worried about making a small problem worse. I'm making sure that
the paint matches and that they use new molding around the door. Anything
else I should be aware of?

For the people who are going "Huh?": Ford issued a SSM #12071 about the
door cracks. For more info check out:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/articles/cracks.html

Thanks,

Peter Taylor
The F150 Crack Page Guy.


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From: "Rivera, Max" compaq.com>
Subject: Re: The Dreaded Door Crack
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:34:06 -0700

I am taking my 97 f150, back to the dealer for the door crack on both doors
and according to the body manager they are going to weld some kind of
support , repaint and give back the original doors.

Maximo Rivera

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin




-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Taylor [mailto:petert vantageinc.com]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:16 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] The Dreaded Door Crack


Well, after 9 months, my dealer finally has the replacement door, and I'm
taking it in tommorrow (June 6th). I guess with all this elapsed time, I'm
wondering what people's experiences have been and things to be aware of.

My dealer is still telling me that the only fix is to replace the whole
door. I'm worried about making a small problem worse. I'm making sure that
the paint matches and that they use new molding around the door. Anything
else I should be aware of?

For the people who are going "Huh?": Ford issued a SSM #12071 about the
door cracks. For more info check out:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/articles/cracks.html

Thanks,

Peter Taylor
The F150 Crack Page Guy.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:44:38 -0700
From: denton sprague oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: The Dreaded Door Crack

I have a '99 F150 that qualifies me for the DC club....I think that there isn't
enuff supporting metal on the doors. I suspect the dealer will have a local body
shop weld and then re-paint my drivers side door. After that, I might pull of
the door panels on both doors and epoxy some supporting material in the crack
area. Wonder if that will work.

Peter Taylor wrote:

> Well, after 9 months, my dealer finally has the replacement door, and I'm
> taking it in tommorrow (June 6th). I guess with all this elapsed time, I'm
> wondering what people's experiences have been and things to be aware of.
>
> My dealer is still telling me that the only fix is to replace the whole
> door. I'm worried about making a small problem worse. I'm making sure that
> the paint matches and that they use new molding around the door. Anything
> else I should be aware of?
>
> For the people who are going "Huh?": Ford issued a SSM #12071 about the
> door cracks. For more info check out:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/articles/cracks.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Taylor
> The F150 Crack Page Guy.
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:53:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The Dreaded Door Crack

At 12:16 PM 6/5/00 , you wrote:

-snip-

>For the people who are going "Huh?": Ford issued a SSM #12071 about the
>door cracks. For more info check out:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/articles/cracks.html
>
>Thanks,
>
>Peter Taylor
>The F150 Crack Page Guy.

We've got an article right here on FTE:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/news52.html


Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Peter Taylor" vantageinc.com>
Subject: Re: The Dreaded Door Crack
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:13:00 -0600

>Max Rivera wrote:
>I am taking my 97 f150, back to the dealer for the door crack on both doors
>and according to the body manager they are going to weld some kind of
>support , repaint and give back the original doors.

How do I convince my Dealer/Body shop to do this? It seems like a better
solution to the problem than replacing the whole door.....


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