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Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Wed, 24 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 082 In This Issue: Re: tonneau covers Re: tonneau covers Re: tonneau covers Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,1 Re: tonneau covers Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,100 RPM Production Numbers? A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "George Marchewa" Subject: Re: tonneau covers Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:36:43 -0700 Doug I'm actually quite impressed with the stock Ford tonneau. Its very easy to roll up/unroll and is a snapless design. I had a COVERCRAFT snapless tonneau on my 93 F150 and it was a pain in the a$$ to get the end locked in place. Regards George Marchewa 99 F150 4x4 XLT SC 5.4 litre http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tutshi.com/f150 ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pogatetz To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: [97up-list] tonneau covers > > > I need some advice on a good tonneau cover. The Exstang Sabre snapless looks > interesting. > Also the aluminum roll tops look very secure, but what about leaks. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: tonneau covers Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:27 -0400 Do you know who makes it for Ford? Ford hardly ever makes these things themselves (at least in the mustang world)...they usually just rebadge someone elses product (and charge more :) ) Pete ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of George Marchewa Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:37 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: tonneau covers Doug I'm actually quite impressed with the stock Ford tonneau. Its very easy to roll up/unroll and is a snapless design. I had a COVERCRAFT snapless tonneau on my 93 F150 and it was a pain in the a$$ to get the end locked in place. Regards George Marchewa 99 F150 4x4 XLT SC 5.4 litre http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tutshi.com/f150 ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pogatetz To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: [97up-list] tonneau covers > > > I need some advice on a good tonneau cover. The Exstang Sabre snapless looks > interesting. > Also the aluminum roll tops look very secure, but what about leaks. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: tonneau covers Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:39 EDT my friend just bought a no name canadian tire brand tonneau cover with snaps around the rail and he like it but i think the soft covers will wear out with high heat and rain snow other stuff like that i myself bought a fiberglass tonneau cover made by A.R.E and i'm most happy with it it cost around 900$ canadian so cheaper down in the states and it looks good and has a 10 year warranty on paint and body... >From: "George Marchewa" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [97up-list] Re: tonneau covers >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:36:43 -0700 > >Doug > >I'm actually quite impressed with the stock Ford tonneau. Its very easy to >roll up/unroll and is a snapless design. I had a COVERCRAFT snapless >tonneau >on my 93 F150 and it was a pain in the a$$ to get the end locked in place. > >Regards >George Marchewa >99 F150 4x4 XLT SC 5.4 litre >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tutshi.com/f150 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Doug Pogatetz >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:37 PM >Subject: [97up-list] tonneau covers > > > > > > > > I need some advice on a good tonneau cover. The Exstang Sabre snapless >looks > > interesting. > > Also the aluminum roll tops look very secure, but what about leaks. > > > > > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > > message. > > > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Craig, Dennis" Subject: Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:55:16 -0700 Anybody else had this fixed on their truck, or like me they said they weren't able to fix it. What was the out come. I will be asking ford for a new exhaust system if that indeed is where the noise is originating from. dc -----Original Message----- From: Strukel, Mike [mailto:Mike.Strukel westgroup.com] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:27 AM To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com' Subject: [97up-list] Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,1 00 RPM The tsb that you are probably refering to is the one that has to do with a resonance at 2100rpm through the exhaust system. They hang a 2lb weight on the exhaust at a certain spot. That cancels out the vibration. I had this on mine, but I removed the stock exhaust and installed a cat back system. Mo more vibration. Mike 99 F250SD SC, V10, Superchip, 2"Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains -----Original Message----- From: kline002 [mailto:kline002 bama.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:04 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,100 RPM Dennis, Here is the NHTSA web site for recalls and TSB's on specific vehicles. Hope this helps. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ BamaFord > >I had it in the shop and the Ford dealership initially tried replacing the >exhaust manifold brackets with no help. I asked the dealer this morning what >the issue was and he said FoMoCo didn't know, and that there was a TSB on >it, anybody have the TSB? > >thanks, dennis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul S. Kline Dept. of Geology The University of Alabama P.O.Box 870338 Tuscaloosa, Al. 35487-0338 Office: 205-348-9293 kline002 bama.ua.edu ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "George Marchewa" Subject: Re: tonneau covers Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:08:35 -0700 Sorry I have no idea on the actual manufacturer of the Ford tonneau off the top of my head but after I get off work I'll take a look and see if there's any manufacturers ID left on it. My truck came already equipped with the tonneau off of the lot so I'm not sure of the over the counter price. It's a $277 Canadian option from the factory but sometimes the option price and the add on later price have little relation to each other. Regards George Marchewa 99 F150 4x4 XLT SC 5.4 litre http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tutshi.com/f150 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Calabrese To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: tonneau covers > Do you know who makes it for Ford? Ford hardly ever makes these things > themselves (at least in the mustang world)...they usually just rebadge > someone elses product (and charge more :) ) > > Pete > > ___________________________________________________________________ > 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver > 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... > Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com > 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! > 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually > > -----Original Message----- > From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com > [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of George Marchewa > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:37 AM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [97up-list] Re: tonneau covers > > > Doug > > I'm actually quite impressed with the stock Ford tonneau. Its very easy to > roll up/unroll and is a snapless design. I had a COVERCRAFT snapless tonneau > on my 93 F150 and it was a pain in the a$$ to get the end locked in place. > > Regards > George Marchewa > 99 F150 4x4 XLT SC 5.4 litre > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tutshi.com/f150 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Pogatetz > To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:37 PM > Subject: [97up-list] tonneau covers > > > > > > > > I need some advice on a good tonneau cover. The Exstang Sabre snapless > looks > > interesting. > > Also the aluminum roll tops look very secure, but what about leaks. > > > > > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > > message. > > > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:32:05 -0700 From: denton sprague Subject: Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,100 RPM seems like wierd noises in pickups are more the norm..at least to me! I recently purchased a '99 extended cab with short box, manual and V-6. My noise is a funny vibrating sound just off idle..more dominant when the engine is cold and the a/c is on...goes away more or less when the engine gets warmed up. I think that the rather long run of tailpipe is resonant at times, or I might have a cat shield loose or something. "Craig, Dennis" wrote: > Anybody else had this fixed on their truck, or like me they said they > weren't able to fix it. What was the out come. I will be asking ford for a > new exhaust system if that indeed is where the noise is originating from. > > dc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Strukel, Mike [mailto:Mike.Strukel westgroup.com] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:27 AM > To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com' > Subject: [97up-list] Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,1 > 00 RPM > > The tsb that you are probably refering to is the one that has to do with a > resonance at 2100rpm through the exhaust system. They hang a 2lb weight on > the exhaust at a certain spot. That cancels out the vibration. I had > this on mine, but I removed the stock exhaust and installed a cat back > system. Mo more vibration. > > Mike > 99 F250SD SC, V10, Superchip, 2"Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains > > -----Original Message----- > From: kline002 [mailto:kline002 bama.ua.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:04 PM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [97up-list] Re: Vibration (grinding) while accelerating 2,100 > RPM > > Dennis, > Here is the NHTSA web site for recalls and TSB's on specific vehicles. Hope > this helps. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ > BamaFord > > > > >I had it in the shop and the Ford dealership initially tried replacing the > >exhaust manifold brackets with no help. I asked the dealer this morning > what > >the issue was and he said FoMoCo didn't know, and that there was a TSB on > >it, anybody have the TSB? > > > >thanks, dennis > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Paul S. Kline > Dept. of Geology > The University of Alabama > P.O.Box 870338 > Tuscaloosa, Al. 35487-0338 > Office: 205-348-9293 > kline002 bama.ua.edu > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Production Numbers? Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:59 -0400 Although I know the 2000 year is stil being produced, does anyone know where I could find information on how many 2000's were made with a particular option package? I'm trying to find how many Lariat LE's were made (yes I know that Limited Edition in today's standards doesn't mean a thing...I'm just curious..). I checked www.ford -diesel.  com and there wasn't any mention of the package. If it helps, the option code is 17S. Thanks! Pete ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:37:09 -0400 From: Lou Mallia Subject: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Greetings! I have a 99 F-150 SC 4x4 with 4.6L and auto trans. Now that A/C season is upon us here in Raleigh NC, I'm getting an awful musty odor from the vents when I first turn on the A/C. I seem to recall hearing about this a long time ago, and was wondering what to expect from the dealer when I bring it in. No - scratch that, I'd like to know what to DEMAND from the dealer in terms of a fix, when I bring it in! Can this problem be permanently rectified? Can I fix it myself, and save myself time and aggrivation? I'm also encountering something that has me far more concerned. I have only 12K on the truck, and am getting a very, very intermittent (once a month or so) condition at hot idle, in "drive". The truck will be idling fine, then suddenly begin idling very irregularly, with a shake. If I pump the gas, it seems to straighten right out. It never stalls, just shakes for a few seconds until I bump the gas. Strangely enough, I've also encountered this in my 95 Windstar 3.8L. It is also very, very intermittent in that vehicle as well. My wife brought the Windstar to the local dealer recently after it happened, hoping to have them catch the problem. Of course, they could not re-create it, nor did it show up as a stored trouble code. They classified it as "drivability concern", which seems to be a catch-all phrase for something that they cannot isolate. My concern is that there is some underlying problem that, of course, will need to be fixed at my expense after the respective warranties expire. Has anyone encountered and determined a fix for this idle condition? Thanks, Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:04:51 -0500 From: Tiny Subject: Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Lou Mallia wrote: > > Greetings! > I am getting a very, very intermittent (once a > month or so) condition at hot idle, in "drive". The truck will be > idling LOU, I take my truck in Friday to take a Mechanic(heh) with me for a ride to try to duplicate the same problem!!!!!!!! but this Email I recieved a while back might help in the mean time __________________________________________________________________________________ Tiny, Have you serviced the transmission? Did the check engine light come on during the vibration? If not then, maybe it's your transmission. I know it sounds crazy but I know of a lot of people that experienced a vibration while driving and they changed out the trans filter and all 12+ quarts of trans fluid by dropping the trans pan and draining the torque converter via drain plug in the converter. _____________________________________________________________________________ TiNy 1997 F150 supercab XL 4.6 ------------------------------ From: "neal hamilton" Subject: Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:54:43 -0700 I talked to a Ford Mech just a couple of weeks ago about the same thing. Said to disconnect the neg cable on the battery for about 10 min. Hook it back up, start vehicle and let idle for 2 minutes. DO NOT TOUCH GAS PEDAL!. shut off, restart and again let idle for 2 minutes. Restart and drive for at least 5 minutes. This will put the computor in the learning mode. He told me I should do this at the change of seasons, fall and spring. Especially if you live in an area where different fuel is used in summer. Or if you have changed brands of fuel, or the location where you get fuel. You may just be getting some bad fuel on occasion. I spray Lysol in the cowling area with the engine running and AC on about twice a year to get rid of the musty odor. Check at your Auto Parts store, I heard a special spray is sold to kill the mold. Never saw it, always used the Lysol. Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Mallia" To: "Ford Trucks" <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: [97up-list] A/C smell & intermittent idle shake > Greetings! > > I have a 99 F-150 SC 4x4 with 4.6L and auto trans. > > Now that A/C season is upon us here in Raleigh NC, I'm getting an awful > musty odor from the vents when I first turn on the A/C. I seem to > recall hearing about this a long time ago, and was wondering what to > expect from the dealer when I bring it in. No - scratch that, I'd like > to know what to DEMAND from the dealer in terms of a fix, when I bring > it in! Can this problem be permanently rectified? Can I fix it myself, > and > save myself time and aggrivation? > > I'm also encountering something that has me far more concerned. I have > only 12K on the truck, and am getting a very, very intermittent (once a > month or so) condition at hot idle, in "drive". The truck will be > idling > fine, then suddenly begin idling very irregularly, with a shake. If I > pump the gas, it seems to straighten right out. It never stalls, just > shakes for a few seconds until I bump the gas. > > Strangely enough, I've also encountered this in my 95 Windstar 3.8L. It > > is also very, very intermittent in that vehicle as well. My wife > brought the Windstar to the local dealer recently after it happened, > hoping to have them catch the problem. Of course, they could not > re-create it, nor did it show up as a stored trouble code. They > classified it as "drivability concern", which seems to be a catch-all > phrase for something that they cannot isolate. > > My concern is that there is some underlying problem that, of course, > will need to be fixed at my expense after the respective warranties > expire. Has anyone encountered and determined a fix for this idle > condition? > > Thanks, > Lou > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: A/C smell & intermittent idle shake Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:47:20 -0400 Either you are a great aggressive four-wheeler, or they forgot to inststall a deflector plate or cover. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Mallia" To: "Ford Trucks" <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: [97up-list] A/C smell & intermittent idle shake > Greetings! > > I have a 99 F-150 SC 4x4 with 4.6L and auto trans. > > Now that A/C season is upon us here in Raleigh NC, I'm getting an awful > musty odor from the vents when I first turn on the A/C. I seem to > recall hearing about this a long time ago, and was wondering what to > expect from the dealer when I bring it in. No - scratch that, I'd like > to know what to DEMAND from the dealer in terms of a fix, when I bring > it in! Can this problem be permanently rectified? Can I fix it myself, > and > save myself time and aggrivation? > > I'm also encountering something that has me far more concerned. I have > only 12K on the truck, and am getting a very, very intermittent (once a > month or so) condition at hot idle, in "drive". The truck will be > idling > fine, then suddenly begin idling very irregularly, with a shake. If I > pump the gas, it seems to straighten right out. It never stalls, just > shakes for a few seconds until I bump the gas. > > Strangely enough, I've also encountered this in my 95 Windstar 3.8L. It > > is also very, very intermittent in that vehicle as well. My wife > brought the Windstar to the local dealer recently after it happened, > hoping to have them catch the problem. Of course, they could not > re-create it, nor did it show up as a stored trouble code. They > classified it as "drivability concern", which seems to be a catch-all.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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