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Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Mon, 15 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 076 In This Issue: Re: F-450/550 Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Re: Tow package pkg wiring part II Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 4.2 s/c Re: 4.2 s/c Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Lighting upgrades Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 payloads again, still Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Question for Tim Alsop and any Ford Dealer/Engineer Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:06:40 -0500 From: Lee Haefele Subject: Re: F-450/550 The F-450 comes with a 4:88 axle ratio, with the 6 speed the top speed in 5th is about 63, but the 6th gear should run up over 85. With the automatic, the top speed with the PSD may be in the low 70s. (the auto's OD is not as "high"). With a V-10 550, std trans is not avail. I would buy 450s, except I don't want that 4:88 rear end. So I buy overloaded 350 DRW cab-chassis, which handle the load well, except for the lack of correct brake proportioning front/rear. Much as I can tell, the 450 has the same cruddy brake problem. BTW, the pickup chassis looks like a toy next to the frame rails on a chassis-cab. Does anyone know if the 4W ABS computer can be adjusted to correct for proportion due to permanent load? Lee Haefele ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:31:21 -0400 Well I found the proper plug for the brake wiring, however when I talked with my other friend who has the other Lariat LE, he said that he received the other end of the pigtail in his glove box so if/when the owner decided to add a brake controller - installation would be a breeze. Of course I checked and I don't have one...anyone else receive the other end of the harness on their 99/00 SD? Just wondering if I should be nagging the dealer or if I should just buy it from Ford...(or just splice around it...) Thanks... Pete ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:48:40 EDT Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger???? ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: Tow package pkg wiring part II Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:57:32 EDT sorry forgot to write that my dads 99 Sd came with the pig tail in the glove box as well... >From: "Mark Browning" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: [97up-list] Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:48:40 EDT > >Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger???? > >_______________________________________________________________________ > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "jahl" Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:58:56 -0400 I'd bug the dealer. My "kit" had lost parts too, but the dealer supplied them when they did the install of the plug. They charged for only about 20 min of work, so the parts must make the job pretty straightforward.... Tom ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:31:44 -0400 Just called...I figured maybe he got it as a mistake or a gift, but if other's got it as well, I'll nag them. Thanks for the help all! ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jahl Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:59 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II I'd bug the dealer. My "kit" had lost parts too, but the dealer supplied them when they did the install of the plug. They charged for only about 20 min of work, so the parts must make the job pretty straightforward.... Tom ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:41:19 -0400 Ian, Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage), proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control at 57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian R. Poyntz" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 > SCA: > > If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550 of > your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and > subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the > only issue when it comes to legality. > > When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and back. I > also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer looked at > me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my > money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go. > > Once you get it right, happy motoring. > > Ian... > > ------------------------------ From: RSnovi aol.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:42:59 EDT Subject: 4.2 s/c In a message dated 5/15/00 9:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mab076 hotmail.com writes: I think so , but i will have to do some checking , what kind of HP level are you looking for Ross Smith 99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC 9sec93cobra Florida State University National Champs (again) << Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger???? __________________________________________________________ >> Ross Smith 99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC 9sec93cobra Florida State University National Champs (again) ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: 4.2 s/c Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:48:00 EDT I'm looking for a great horse power increase but not to the point of uncontrolable speed i want to kick but on take-off and keep on going in a hurry... >From: RSnovi aol.com >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: [97up-list] 4.2 s/c >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:42:59 EDT > >In a message dated 5/15/00 9:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >mab076 hotmail.com writes: > > >I think so , but i will have to do some checking , what kind of HP level >are >you looking for > > >Ross Smith >99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC >9sec93cobra >Florida State University >National Champs (again) ><< > Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger???? > > __________________________________________________________ >> > > >Ross Smith >99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC >9sec93cobra >Florida State University >National Champs (again) >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Steve J. Hodson" Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:40:06 -0400 Keith: Good luck on your next truck. I can't find your original post but my 99 F350 srw V-10 ccab does much better than 1/4 it's weight. Total payload for my truck is 3550lbs, even assuming it weight 8500 lbs wet that's > 40% it's weight, not < 25%. Does your truck weight that much more because of a diesel engine? Where did your payload go? -----Original Message----- From: Keith Veren To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-listford-trucks.com>Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 >Ian, > >Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive >the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage), >proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and >basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than >you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control at >57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new >engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy. > >Keith > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian R. Poyntz" >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>>Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM >Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 > > >> SCA: >> >> If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550 of >> your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and >> subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the >> only issue when it comes to legality. >> >> When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and back. >I >> also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer looked >at >> me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my >> money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go. >> >> Once you get it right, happy motoring. >> >> Ian... >> >> > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: jmann living.comSubject: Lighting upgrades Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:34:24 -0500 Well, I've got this purdy black truck and I've been think'n about completely blacking her out. Tinted head light and tail light covers, etc. BUT, tint reduces light, right. So I thought that some halogen tail light bulbs and some upgraded headlight bulbs would be in order for this little mod. Does anybody know the power output of the stock headlight bulbs and or have any recommendations for light upgrades, power, brand, etc??? Thanks, Joe Austin, TX ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:55:15 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve J. Hodson" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:40 PM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Actually, With a beefy, 2" lifted (5-leaves in the front), and extra heavy duty everything that matters, I cannot imagine being stopped by the fuzz for going over the sticker GVWR by a one to perhaps a few hundred pounds. Now, two or three thousand pounds over GVWR (or GCWR if towing) may get you a big fat ticket and a tow-truck. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:38:01 +0100 Subject: payloads again, still From: Kirk Werner So let's say a person has a truck which has a limiting LEGAL payload capacity. Assuming they know their axle raiting will handle the camper they want to load, and their tires will do the same, they upgrade the springs or install air springs to ensure that the truck sits level when loaded down with the camper. Still, the LEGAL payload is less than what the truck will now carry. Assuming they use good sense when driving, they're still breaking the law in some states that enforce such things as truck weights. OK. So, which states currently enforce load limits on non-commercial trucks? If it's not yet enforced in most states,and especially my home state, it seems that I'm left with getting a ridiculously small camper, or I violate my LEGAL ratings. For the amount that I would use a camper, and assuming I do all the aforementioned (and buy a reasonably-weighted camper), I'd have a hard time with justifying the purchase of an F450/550. And since a std cab truck will not suffice, and the lightest (smallest) engine defeats the purpose of getting a truck to haul a camper (you do need some umph, afterall), and 4wd is necessary when getting to where you're going during the winter months, etc... It sure seems like camper manufacturers need to shave a thousand pounds off their bigger models to make them reasonably managable with popular 3/4 and one ton trucks. Ah hell, I'm just venting. Kirk ------------------------------ From: "Ian R. Poyntz" Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:49:43 +0800 Keith: Yes, thanks for the thought. I don't think I stayed at a constant speed. The trip took me over a mountain range and through 20 traffic lights and 10 stop signs. It was also winding roads. A pleasant trip. I traveled at 55 mph and got 22 mpg. Pretty good I thought. We'll see if the engine liked it. Ian... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Veren" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:41 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 > Ian, > > Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive > the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage), > proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and > basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than > you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control at > 57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new > engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy. > > Keith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian R. Poyntz" > To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM > Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2 > > > > SCA: > > > > If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550 of > > your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and > > subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the > > only issue when it comes to legality. > > > > When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and back. > I > > also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer looked > at > > me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my > > money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go. > > > > Once you get it right, happy motoring. > > > > Ian... > > > > > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Question for Tim Alsop and any Ford Dealer/Engineer Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:31:31 -0400 When you get right down to it (legal considerations not considered) lets say you have for the sake of keeping the numbers simple, an F-350 truck 2X4 dually that weighs 7,000 lbs curb weight a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and you use it for hauling eggs with only you as the driver (and no other temporary loads). One day, you go to market and pickup up, by accident, one extra egg putting you 4 ounces over the GVWR. Your competitor sees this, and having the same body weight as you and the same truck as you picks up TWO extra eggs for an overload of 8 ounces, and on and on. When you get to the limit of the axle bearings in front or in rear (or both) you are now exceeding an axle weight rating and the GVWR (the typical GVWR limiting factor is usually NOT the TIRES, so we will assume we have extra beefy tires). Now, you are carrying 400 pounds over GVWR of extra eggs, your competitor goes up to 500 extra pounds (above GVWR). Assuming NO ARREST for Overloading, and a continual march upwards in weight addition, at what point do you believe "something" will happen to one or the other truck. You are just increasing one "egg" at a time and driving a smooth, straight, flat, open road at 40 MPH for 20 miles each way. I would like to hear the order and approximate weight above GVWR for each type destruction (broken axle), damage (bent frame but still can drive) or inoperability (motor can't keep cool) (note:a "shortened vehicle life is a cop-out and not an allowable answer). What does engineering thing will happen? How much over the "overload" status will something happen and what will that be. I know the weight of one egg will not be the "straw-that-broke-the-camels-back" but what will be? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:34:23 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II Mark Browning wrote: > > Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger???? > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. Mark, I has been done. Apparently it was a bear to install, custom fabbing etc. Regards Jean Marc Chartier ------------------------------ End of 97up-list Digest V2000 #76 ********************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1997 and Newer Truck List Send posts to 97up-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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