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97up-list Digest Mon, 15 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 076

In This Issue:
Re: F-450/550
Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Re: Tow package pkg wiring part II
Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
4.2 s/c
Re: 4.2 s/c
Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Lighting upgrades
Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
payloads again, still
Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Question for Tim Alsop and any Ford Dealer/Engineer
Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:06:40 -0500
From: Lee Haefele htva.net>
Subject: Re: F-450/550

The F-450 comes with a 4:88 axle ratio, with the 6 speed the top speed
in 5th is about 63, but the 6th gear should run up over 85. With the
automatic, the top speed with the PSD may be in the low 70s. (the
auto's OD is not as "high"). With a V-10 550, std trans is not avail.
I would buy 450s, except I don't want that 4:88 rear end. So I buy
overloaded 350 DRW cab-chassis, which handle the load well, except for
the lack of correct brake proportioning front/rear. Much as I can tell,
the 450 has the same cruddy brake problem. BTW, the pickup chassis looks
like a toy next to the frame rails on a chassis-cab. Does anyone know
if the 4W ABS computer can be adjusted to correct for proportion due to
permanent load?
Lee Haefele

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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:31:21 -0400

Well I found the proper plug for the brake wiring, however when I talked
with my other friend who has the other Lariat LE, he said that he received
the other end of the pigtail in his glove box so if/when the owner decided
to add a brake controller - installation would be a breeze. Of course I
checked and I don't have one...anyone else receive the other end of the
harness on their 99/00 SD?

Just wondering if I should be nagging the dealer or if I should just buy it
from Ford...(or just splice around it...)

Thanks...

Pete

___________________________________________________________________
1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually


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From: "Mark Browning" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:48:40 EDT

Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger????

________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Mark Browning" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tow package pkg wiring part II
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:57:32 EDT

sorry forgot to write that my dads 99 Sd came with the pig tail in the glove
box as well...


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>Subject: [97up-list] Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:48:40 EDT
>
>Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger????
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From: "jahl" pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:58:56 -0400

I'd bug the dealer. My "kit" had lost parts too, but the dealer supplied
them when they did the install of the plug. They charged for only about 20
min of work, so the parts must make the job pretty straightforward....

Tom




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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:31:44 -0400

Just called...I figured maybe he got it as a mistake or a gift, but if
other's got it as well, I'll nag them.

Thanks for the help all!

___________________________________________________________________
1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually

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Subject: [97up-list] Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II


I'd bug the dealer. My "kit" had lost parts too, but the dealer supplied
them when they did the install of the plug. They charged for only about 20
min of work, so the parts must make the job pretty straightforward....

Tom



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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:41:19 -0400

Ian,

Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive
the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage),
proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and
basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than
you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control at
57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new
engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian R. Poyntz" canada.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2


> SCA:
>
> If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550 of
> your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and
> subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the
> only issue when it comes to legality.
>
> When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and back.
I
> also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer looked
at
> me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my
> money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go.
>
> Once you get it right, happy motoring.
>
> Ian...
>
>



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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:42:59 EDT
Subject: 4.2 s/c

In a message dated 5/15/00 9:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mab076 hotmail.com writes:


I think so , but i will have to do some checking , what kind of HP level are
you looking for


Ross Smith
99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC
9sec93cobra
Florida State University
National Champs (again)
<<
Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger????

__________________________________________________________ >>


Ross Smith
99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC
9sec93cobra
Florida State University
National Champs (again)

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From: "Mark Browning" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4.2 s/c
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:48:00 EDT

I'm looking for a great horse power increase but not to the point of
uncontrolable speed i want to kick but on take-off and keep on going in a
hurry...


>From: RSnovi aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [97up-list] 4.2 s/c
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:42:59 EDT
>
>In a message dated 5/15/00 9:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mab076 hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>I think so , but i will have to do some checking , what kind of HP level
>are
>you looking for
>
>
>Ross Smith
>99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC
>9sec93cobra
>Florida State University
>National Champs (again)
><<
> Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger????
>
> __________________________________________________________ >>
>
>
>Ross Smith
>99F250 SD PSD/4x4/SC
>9sec93cobra
>Florida State University
>National Champs (again)
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From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:40:06 -0400

Keith: Good luck on your next truck. I can't find your original post but
my 99 F350 srw V-10 ccab does much better than 1/4 it's weight. Total
payload for my truck is 3550lbs, even assuming it weight 8500 lbs wet that's
> 40% it's weight, not < 25%. Does your truck weight that much more because
of a diesel engine? Where did your payload go?
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren worldnet.att.net>
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com <97up-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:39 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2


>Ian,
>
>Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive
>the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage),
>proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and
>basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than
>you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control
at
>57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new
>engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy.
>
>Keith
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ian R. Poyntz" canada.com>
>To: <97up-listford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM
>Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
>
>
>> SCA:
>>
>> If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550 of
>> your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and
>> subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the
>> only issue when it comes to legality.
>>
>> When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and back.
>I
>> also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer looked
>at
>> me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my
>> money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go.
>>
>> Once you get it right, happy motoring.
>>
>> Ian...
>>
>>
>
>
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From: jmannliving.com
Subject: Lighting upgrades
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:34:24 -0500

Well, I've got this purdy black truck and I've been think'n about completely
blacking her out. Tinted head light and tail light covers, etc. BUT, tint
reduces light, right. So I thought that some halogen tail light bulbs and
some upgraded headlight bulbs would be in order for this little mod. Does
anybody know the power output of the stock headlight bulbs and or have any
recommendations for light upgrades, power, brand, etc???

Thanks,

Joe
Austin, TX

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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:55:15 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
To: <97up-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:40 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2


Actually, With a beefy, 2" lifted (5-leaves in the front), and extra heavy
duty everything that matters, I cannot imagine being stopped by the fuzz for
going over the sticker GVWR by a one to perhaps a few hundred pounds. Now,
two or three thousand pounds over GVWR (or GCWR if towing) may get you a big
fat ticket and a tow-truck.

>


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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:38:01 +0100
Subject: payloads again, still
From: Kirk Werner Werner.org>

So let's say a person has a truck which has a limiting LEGAL payload
capacity. Assuming they know their axle raiting will handle the camper they
want to load, and their tires will do the same, they upgrade the springs or
install air springs to ensure that the truck sits level when loaded down
with the camper. Still, the LEGAL payload is less than what the truck will
now carry. Assuming they use good sense when driving, they're still breaking
the law in some states that enforce such things as truck weights. OK. So,
which states currently enforce load limits on non-commercial trucks?

If it's not yet enforced in most states,and especially my home state, it
seems that I'm left with getting a ridiculously small camper, or I violate
my LEGAL ratings. For the amount that I would use a camper, and assuming I
do all the aforementioned (and buy a reasonably-weighted camper), I'd have a
hard time with justifying the purchase of an F450/550. And since a std cab
truck will not suffice, and the lightest (smallest) engine defeats the
purpose of getting a truck to haul a camper (you do need some umph,
afterall), and 4wd is necessary when getting to where you're going during
the winter months, etc... It sure seems like camper manufacturers need to
shave a thousand pounds off their bigger models to make them reasonably
managable with popular 3/4 and one ton trucks.

Ah hell, I'm just venting.

Kirk


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From: "Ian R. Poyntz" canada.com>
Subject: Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:49:43 +0800

Keith:

Yes, thanks for the thought.

I don't think I stayed at a constant speed. The trip took me over a
mountain range and through 20 traffic lights and 10 stop signs. It was also
winding roads. A pleasant trip. I traveled at 55 mph and got 22 mpg.
Pretty good I thought. We'll see if the engine liked it.

Ian...



----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
To: <97up-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:41 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2


> Ian,
>
> Good thought, however, if it was a brand new engine, you should not drive
> the first few hundred miles at a steady speed (the best for good mileage),
> proper break-in of a new engine requires varying the speed often and
> basically keeping the accelerator gently moving up and down much more than
> you normally would. If you did drive to maximize mileage (cruise control
at
> 57 MPH or something) then you did just what you should NOT do to a new
> engine of a vehicle that you are going to buy.
>
> Keith
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian R. Poyntz" canada.com>
> To: <97up-listford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:12 AM
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Payload & Dually questions, Part 2
>
>
> > SCA:
> >
> > If you really want to know your legal load limit. Take the 450 or 550
of
> > your choice from the dealership on a test drive to a weigh scale and
> > subtract the weight of the vehicle from the sticker weight. This is the
> > only issue when it comes to legality.
> >
> > When I bought my truck I asked to test drive it 200km to a lake and
back.
> I
> > also asked the dealer to fill the tank to overflowing. The dealer
looked
> at
> > me dumbfounded and asked, "Why !!". I said, "I am not going to spend my
> > money before I know what gas mileage this thing gets". He let me go.
> >
> > Once you get it right, happy motoring.
> >
> > Ian...
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Question for Tim Alsop and any Ford Dealer/Engineer
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:31:31 -0400

When you get right down to it (legal considerations not considered) lets say
you have for the sake of keeping the numbers simple, an F-350 truck 2X4
dually that weighs 7,000 lbs curb weight a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and you use it
for hauling eggs with only you as the driver (and no other temporary loads).
One day, you go to market and pickup up, by accident, one extra egg putting
you 4 ounces over the GVWR. Your competitor sees this, and having the same
body weight as you and the same truck as you picks up TWO extra eggs for an
overload of 8 ounces, and on and on. When you get to the limit of the axle
bearings in front or in rear (or both) you are now exceeding an axle weight
rating and the GVWR (the typical GVWR limiting factor is usually NOT the
TIRES, so we will assume we have extra beefy tires). Now, you are carrying
400 pounds over GVWR of extra eggs, your competitor goes up to 500 extra
pounds (above GVWR). Assuming NO ARREST for Overloading, and a continual
march upwards in weight addition, at what point do you believe "something"
will happen to one or the other truck. You are just increasing one "egg" at
a time and driving a smooth, straight, flat, open road at 40 MPH for 20
miles each way.

I would like to hear the order and approximate weight above GVWR for each
type destruction (broken axle), damage (bent frame but still can drive) or
inoperability (motor can't keep cool) (note:a "shortened vehicle life is a
cop-out and not an allowable answer). What does engineering thing will
happen? How much over the "overload" status will something happen and what
will that be. I know the weight of one egg will not be the
"straw-that-broke-the-camels-back" but what will be?

Keith


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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:34:23 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Brake Wiring Part II

Mark Browning wrote:
>
> Would any one know if a 4.2L f-150 2wd can get a supercharger????
>
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Mark,

I has been done. Apparently it was a bear to install,
custom fabbing etc.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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