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97up-list Digest Thu, 11 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 073

In This Issue:
When do the 2001 Superdutys come out?
Re: Tow Pkg Wiring
Re: Tow Pkg Wiring
Re: Tow Pkg Wiring
Re: Performance Chips, again
Re: Performance Chips, again
Re: Performance Chips, again
SD brake controller
Payload Discussion AGAIN
Re: Payload Discussion AGAIN
Re: Payload Discussion AGAIN

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From: "mike madden" garlic.com>
Subject: When do the 2001 Superdutys come out?
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:37:20 -0700

Sometime in the next 6 months I'll be buying a new F-250 4x4. Because there
are specific options that I want/don't want, its fairly likely that I'll
have to order it from the factory. Does anyone know when they stop taking
orders for 2000's or when they'll take an order for a 2001? Is there
anything new coming next model year that is worth waiting for?
TIA
mike madden
morgan hill, ca


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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:13:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Wiring

In a message dated 5/11/00 12:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
snkypete banet.net writes:


only on the 99.5 or Y2k's i think they had something a bit different that
made it "easier" but most all 3/4, 1 tons expect you to put some kind of
brake controller in it. On my 99 F250SD 4x4 PSD it only took the guy a hour
or so to install Drawtite Activator II. Its the best one that I have seen on
the market so far, the high dollar Tenoksha(or however you spell it) in my
mothers 'Burban she hates the thing, ended up haveing to change it out, It
did some strange stuff.

RS
<<
I took the advice and got the DrawTiteII - showed up the other day. I know
that there is supposed to be a wiring harness under the dash if you have the
trailer tow pkg on your SD. Only problem is I see 3 different harnesses
under my fuse panel and they aren't labeled.

Anyone know which is the correct set to use for the quick/painless brake
controller installation?

Thanks!

Pete
>>

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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:13:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Wiring

In a message dated 5/11/00 1:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johny netapp.com
writes:


you must have some small horses and a featherlight or 3 slant stock type
trailer, because a 2 horse w/ dressing room featherlight and 2 horses weighs
around 5K.

RS
<<
I currently use the default settings, as described in the docs,
of 4o for "sync" and 2 for "whatever it's called". Seems to work
just fine for a 3 horse slant loaded w/ 2 horses. (roughly 3000 - 4000 lbs
total weight). >>

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:33:26 -0700
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Pkg Wiring

I'm guessing on the weight. Trailer is a bumper pull Logan Ranger 3.
Slant load + small dressing room.
GVWR of 7000 lbs. One horse was a thoroughbred
gelding about 17.2 hands, and the mare was a bit shorter.


But the truck noticed it, as the boost guage was pretty active on sections of
road, that normally doesn't cause the boost guage to move past 4 lbs.
I wouldn't doubt it was closer to 5000 lbs., but would be surprised if it was
much more.

Guess I should weigh it. :-).

On a somewhat related subject, anyone know the GVWR and pin weight
of one of those live-in goose neck trailers 3 horse trailers weigh? Say 17' LQ?
I've saw a featherlight 6 horse slant, with Dressing room with a
GVWR of 14,000 lbs. So I know it's going to be in that weight class,
but havn't found much info on the pin weights.



RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/11/00 1:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johny netapp.com
> writes:
>
> you must have some small horses and a featherlight or 3 slant stock type
> trailer, because a 2 horse w/ dressing room featherlight and 2 horses weighs
> around 5K.
>
> RS
> <<
> I currently use the default settings, as described in the docs,
> of 4o for "sync" and 2 for "whatever it's called". Seems to work
> just fine for a 3 horse slant loaded w/ 2 horses. (roughly 3000 - 4000 lbs
> total weight). >>
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:34:04 -0500
From: Steve #1 swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Performance Chips, again

Ralph Lindberg wrote:

>
> Could you tell were you learned this, nothing I have seen in the
> Hypertech publications imply that it only kicks in at WOT.
>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954

I don't recall specifically where I learned this bit of information. A number
of years ago I had a Hypertech chip in my 87 Blazer, and was not at all impressed,
and am now running a stock chip. The WOT part was confirmed by a friend of mine
with a 97 F150 who contacted Hypertech by phone. He then removed his Hypertech and
replaced it with a Superchip and says the the Superchip is better, and the
Hypertech was a waste.
Feel free to contact Hypertech to confirm this.

--
Steve #1

'99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT 4.6 < FOR SALE >
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4 < FOR SALE >

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/

When you come to a fork in the road...
Go straight.



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From: DJBurry aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:26:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Performance Chips, again

Hello Chipsters....
Yes, I had a Hypertech chip my 97 PSD. And there are right, WOT you get a
good kick in the pants. But, my fuel mileage decreased by about 10% and the
truck smoked a lot. I took the chip out of the truck. I have hence sold
the 97 truck and purchased a new 2000 SD/PSD Crew Cab Lariat. This is nice
truck...hummmm...I am in love...lol I have been thinking about a SuperChip
in this truck, but havent made up my mind yet... I was checking out Gale
Banks performance items too. The 4'' exhaust and their chip. Still tkinking
about what to do... Good Luck...Dave Burry - Denver. "Home of the "MTNRCKT"

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From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Performance Chips, again
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:20:17 EDT

I agree with Steve #1. I had a hypertech chip in my 97 F150 4X4 4.6L and it
was a waste of money. I then contacted Superchips(Mike Troyer) and he told
me all about both chips. Well, I decided to get the Superchip and it is,
without a doubt, the best mod I have done to my truck, for performace.

chris


> I don't recall specifically where I learned this bit of information.
>A number
>of years ago I had a Hypertech chip in my 87 Blazer, and was not at all
>impressed,
>and am now running a stock chip. The WOT part was confirmed by a friend of
>mine
>with a 97 F150 who contacted Hypertech by phone. He then removed his
>Hypertech and
>replaced it with a Superchip and says the the Superchip is better, and the

________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:41:59 -0500
From: Janster bigfoot.com>
Subject: SD brake controller

Folks,

I installed my Activator II in the cubbyhole location next to the right
of the panel in my F250. I believe, by cubbyhole, you mean the curved in
area of the plastic molding next to the removable panel underneath the
steering wheel. Not the change box below the switch panel. The location
is great because it's out of the way and you look down at it during the
day to make adjustments, if needed. I too am starting out with the
default controller settings.

Cubbyhole's 1st choice



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From: "GARY GADWA" ruralnetwork.net>
Subject: Payload Discussion AGAIN
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:38:42 -0600

Not to belabor the Load Capacity discussion.....but....I have the 2000
F250 4x4 Supercab LWB Single with the V10 3.73 and manual transmission.
Camper Package and Trailer Towing Package. 8,800 GVWR as posted on Door
Frame. Heaviest duty front springs and front and rear sway bars.
Now I am ripping out the flimsy single leaf rear overload spring Ford
claims adds 800 to 1000 pound capacity boost. I am looking at 4 leaf
springs
installed claiming 2,700 pound boost to cargo capacity. Or I can go with 5
leaf spring with 3,000 pound boost to cargo capacity.
Ford Dealer and Spring shop tell me the F350 and the F250 axle ratings
are identical. I find this somewhat hard to believe.... but????
So my question is for you GVW experts: What will the Spring change
actually (really) do for my GVWR and or my Actual cargo weight rating???
I have ordered a Northland 990 Polar slide in Camper with dry weight of
2720 and wet weight of 3048. Ford Dealer and Camper Dealer insist the F250
with the Springs added is more than adequate!!!!???

Thanks,
Gary
2000 F250 4x4 V10 Supercab
1996 Explorer
1931 Model "A" Victoria
Stanley, Idaho
ggadwa ruralnetwork.net





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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:05:53 -0700
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Payload Discussion AGAIN

In the early days of the 99 SD, there was *much* discussion on the
www.ford -diesel. com site on this subject. and a lot of it here on the
96 list at the time.
I have an F350SRW, and pretty much agree, it's only the springs that
differ. Well, legal weight you can carry is the other difference.

Frame and brakes and axle's were the same.

Going to the heavyier duty springs what will it change?
- payload as you note, but probably not legally.
- Ride. The ride could be adversely affected. Air bags might be a
more comfortable alternative if you don't run the truck at higher payloads
all the time. You may need to consider sirbags on the front as well,
if the springs on a 250 are lighter duty than a F350.

Check the tires. If you are running the 265/75/16's I think the payload is
like 3400 lbs per tire/80 PSI.
Check the axle GAWR. My SD is something like 4600 front and 6000lbs rear,
on a truck rated at 9700 GVWR.





GARY GADWA wrote:

> Not to belabor the Load Capacity discussion.....but....I have the 2000
> F250 4x4 Supercab LWB Single with the V10 3.73 and manual transmission.
> Camper Package and Trailer Towing Package. 8,800 GVWR as posted on Door
> Frame. Heaviest duty front springs and front and rear sway bars.
> Now I am ripping out the flimsy single leaf rear overload spring Ford
> claims adds 800 to 1000 pound capacity boost. I am looking at 4 leaf
> springs
> installed claiming 2,700 pound boost to cargo capacity. Or I can go with 5
> leaf spring with 3,000 pound boost to cargo capacity.
> Ford Dealer and Spring shop tell me the F350 and the F250 axle ratings
> are identical. I find this somewhat hard to believe.... but????
> So my question is for you GVW experts: What will the Spring change
> actually (really) do for my GVWR and or my Actual cargo weight rating???
> I have ordered a Northland 990 Polar slide in Camper with dry weight of
> 2720 and wet weight of 3048. Ford Dealer and Camper Dealer insist the F250
> with the Springs added is more than adequate!!!!???
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
> 2000 F250 4x4 V10 Supercab
> 1996 Explorer
> 1931 Model "A" Victoria
> Stanley, Idaho
> ggadwa ruralnetwork.net
>
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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:13:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Payload Discussion AGAIN

I think your problem is going to be something like this. You have made the
improvements, the truck works like a champ, with the overload.

But, the rating plate on the truck is not changed. After all it is the mfr's
data right.

Not all states are going on a campaign yet to monitor campers and "non
commercial" trucks for overload but the trend has started. I suspect those
states in the mountainous ares of the west will lead the pack. Our bretheren
to the north are apparantly already starting to experience this new level of
enforcement. What ever the plates say is what the rig will be judged by. One
suspects there is a loophole in there somewhere, no good politician would
ever pass a bill without one, but getting a local grunt with a set of scales
to recognize it is pointless. He won't bother to work the issue of tires,
rear axle capacity, spring capacity. You will go before a judge to plead your
case , and blow your time and money, if you run afoul of a weight enforcer.

I think the message is, in the future, get the truck equipped from the start
so the mfrs capacity plates reflect the higher loads and stay inside of that.

Sorry to be so cynical but I've seen it before on less important issues.
....


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