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Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Mon, 01 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 065 In This Issue: Re: You may want to check yours... Belts, pulley, tensioners Re: Help!! Re: You may want to check yours... Re: Belts, pulley, tensioners Re: New Purchase Inquiry Re: New Purchase Inquiry ADMIN: Harley-Davidson F-150 Re: New Purchase Inquiry Re: Help and RE: 7pin trany problem i think Re: New Purchase Inquiry Re: trany problem i think Re: New Purchase Inquiry ADMIN: Ford launches vehicle campaign to improve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: You may want to check yours... Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:02:45 EDT Hey Pete, I have a Ford F-150 and the belt is worn and there is some belt residue on the pully, thats what i thought till i went to the dealership.. they are the ones who told me that the hard you drive or heavy load towing will cause the belts to slip a liitle and cause the belt to burn. plus the mechanic told me that ford trucks newer models have not so good factory belts and pull to start and would recommend changing them to the after market accessory that is needed for your trucks perpose.. goodluck.. >From: "Pete Calabrese" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [97up-list] You may want to check yours... >Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:32:46 -0400 > >Well Friday I was getting ready to leave work and I noticed a nice puddle >under my new 2000 PSD. I opened the hood to see that anti-freeze was >spitting out of the side of the thermostat housing and all over one of the >alum. brackets. > >I got home and cleaned the mess and tightened the pipe plug on the driver's >side of the housing (it was pretty loose!!!). Problem solved...I also >noticed that the uppder idler pulley seemed to have something on it, but it >won't come off - also the belt seems to be wearing rather quickly (probably >due to the pulley unless the material on the pulley is part of the belt). >Wondering if the anti-freeze could have eaten away at the belt when it was >spraying.... > >Interesting for a truck with under 4000 miles on it.... > >___________________________________________________________________ >1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver >493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... >Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com >1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! >2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Erik Marquez" Subject: Belts, pulley, tensioners Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:55:35 -0800 Has anybody else had repetitive belt, tensioner, idle pulley wear problems? I had the idle pulley replaced under warranty about 4k mi ago, the truck (F350, 97, PSD, CC, 4x4) has 39k mi on it now ...yes yes yes, just out of warranty:-( I have no problem with replacing the tensioner myself, just want to know if this is a systematic problem with the PSD's Thanks Erik Marquez 97 F350 CC PSD 4X4 bronco78 alaska.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 Home of the BB decal ------------------------------ From: jmann living.com Subject: Re: Help!! Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:46:19 -0500 You said a dealer replaced the speed sensor. If this was an engine speed sensor the repair may have gone bad. And I believe some repairs are guaranteed for as long as "YOU" own the vehicle. Also, if you reported the problem before the warranty was up, and it was investigated without resolution, it, again, may still be covered. Do you still have the paper work from when you first reported the problem. Investigate the Lemon Laws in your state. Sometimes a persistent unresolved problem can be grounds for the replacement of the vehicle. But it's rare. Finally, one of the fastest responses I've ever received from a manufacturer (VW) after being told by a dealer and Customer Service for the auto maker, was when I filed a formal complaint with the Better Business Burrow. Once the record was on file and the auto maker was notified, I received a call within about 2 to 3 days from a Customer Service supervisor the basically asked, "What do we need to do to resolve this problem". In this case VW "replaced" both front interior door panels, hardware and all. Aaron, MAKE them fix the problem. Joe Austin, TX. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Martin [mailto:martinaa hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:39 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Help!! I have a 99 superduty with the v-10, automatic, 4x4. A while ago I described my problem, which was that the speedometer would drop to 0mph, the ABS light would come on, the cruise control would disengage, and the engine rpms would rise a small amount (to maintain the same speed). Also, transmission shift points would occur at higher rpms and the shift would be much firmer. This would generally happen for only short periods, after which everything would return to normal. I brought the truck in to a dealership which basically said it was an intermittant electrical problem and they couldn't do anything about it. A second dealership replaced a speed sensor, which had no apparent effect on the symptoms, and then replaced a computer module, which cured the problem for about a month. Now the problem is recurring and I think the dealership I am working with is about out of ideas. Another problem has also surfaced recently. One evening when I started my truck its idle speed was around 3,000 rpms instead of just under 1,000 where it normally is. I shut the truck off and checked for a stuck throttle but found nothing. I restarted the truck several times and worked the throttle without any effect. Finally I shifted into drive and the idle characteristics returned to normal. Now, several weeks later, it is doing the oposite. The truck will not idle without some light pressure on the gas pedal. If I come to a stop sign it will kill immediately if I don't keep my right foot on the gas. I could adjust the hard stop for the throttle but it seems to me that would be attempting to treat the symtoms without dealing with the underlying problem. Any insight into any of the above problems would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my truck now has 38,000 miles (out of warranty, are these things programmed to self destruct????) Thanks, Aaron ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: You may want to check yours... Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:14:01 -0400 Interesting....I haven't towed yet :) I loaded it down once with a good supply of bricks/top soil for a ~10 mile drive...other than that, almost 100% highway mileage right now averaging about 70mph. Think I'll try to clean the pulley and look into getting a Goodyear belt... Thanks for the tip! ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Browning Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:03 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: You may want to check yours... Hey Pete, I have a Ford F-150 and the belt is worn and there is some belt residue on the pully, thats what i thought till i went to the dealership.. they are the ones who told me that the hard you drive or heavy load towing will cause the belts to slip a liitle and cause the belt to burn. plus the mechanic told me that ford trucks newer models have not so good factory belts and pull to start and would recommend changing them to the after market accessory that is needed for your trucks perpose.. goodluck.. >From: "Pete Calabrese" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [97up-list] You may want to check yours... >Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:32:46 -0400 > >Well Friday I was getting ready to leave work and I noticed a nice puddle >under my new 2000 PSD. I opened the hood to see that anti-freeze was >spitting out of the side of the thermostat housing and all over one of the >alum. brackets. > >I got home and cleaned the mess and tightened the pipe plug on the driver's >side of the housing (it was pretty loose!!!). Problem solved...I also >noticed that the uppder idler pulley seemed to have something on it, but it >won't come off - also the belt seems to be wearing rather quickly (probably >due to the pulley unless the material on the pulley is part of the belt). >Wondering if the anti-freeze could have eaten away at the belt when it was >spraying.... > >Interesting for a truck with under 4000 miles on it.... > >___________________________________________________________________ >1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver >493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... >Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com >1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! >2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: Re: Belts, pulley, tensioners Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:20:31 EDT I had my idle pully replace and my tensioner replaced to after warranty it happened at 76000km im starting to get nervous on what else would go wrong... Ford F-150 >From: "Erik Marquez" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [97up-list] Belts, pulley, tensioners >Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:55:35 -0800 > >Has anybody else had repetitive belt, tensioner, idle pulley wear problems? >I had the idle pulley replaced under warranty about 4k mi ago, the truck >(F350, 97, PSD, CC, 4x4) has 39k mi on it now ...yes yes yes, just out of >warranty:-( I have no problem with replacing the tensioner myself, just >want >to know if this is a systematic problem with the PSD's > >Thanks > >Erik Marquez >97 F350 CC PSD 4X4 >bronco78 alaska.com >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 >Home of the BB decal > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "GARY GADWA" Subject: Re: New Purchase Inquiry Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:58:07 -0600 I'm relatively new to this list.......been on the 80-96 list since the early days of the list. My inquiry is: I'm right in the process of ordering a 2000 F250 4x4 XLT Supercab with the V10, Manual 5 Speed and 3.73 gears wondering if any List serve members have any specific words of wisdom, advice or other valuable considerations for a FORDAHolic about to bite the bullet. Appreciate your comments, Gary Gadwa 1991 F250HD 4x4 Supercab 1996 Explorer 1931 Model A Victoria Stanley, Idaho ------------------------------ From: DJBurry aol.com Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:33:37 EDT Subject: Re: New Purchase Inquiry RE: Ordering a new truck.... I found it very good value to order the Crew Cab verses the Super Cab. It only costs about $800 more and the resale on the Crew Cabs is very high. The Super Cabs are a dime a dozen in the secondary market. Any reason you not ordering a Power Stroke? If you live in Idaho and travel the mountains pulling trailer, there is nothing better. You will live the torque and fuel mileage. I have owned 2 Power Strokes and love them. I am a certified "MotorHead".... Good luck in whatever you do...Dave Burry - Denver.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:23:13 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Harley-Davidson F-150 Two new press releases are on the web site: "Ford of Canada announces production details, pricing for Harley-Davidson F-150 pickup" "Patricia Reid named new manager of Ford's Ontario Truck Plant" Both are available on the top-left of the main site screen. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: RSnovi aol.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:11:00 EDT Subject: Re: New Purchase Inquiry In a message dated 5/1/00 3:55:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ggadwa ruralnetwork.net writes: what the hec are you doing ordering a V10 and a STICK, yeesh! i owned way too many gas trucks already. GO Diesel and auto, you are looking at a truck relatively similar to mine and also if you don't have to go in a lot of tight places get the TT mirrors I almost run over all kinds of imports on the road, sport mirrors have a hec of a blind spot. 3.73 feels like a decent gear to me on the road. RS << I'm relatively new to this list.......been on the 80-96 list since the early days of the list. My inquiry is: I'm right in the process of ordering a 2000 F250 4x4 XLT Supercab with the V10, Manual 5 Speed and 3.73 gears wondering if any List serve members have any specific words of wisdom, advice or other valuable considerations for a FORDAHolic about to bite the bullet. Appreciate your comments, Gary Gadwa 1991 F250HD 4x4 Supercab 1996 Explorer 1931 Model A Victo >> ------------------------------ From: davesomers Subject: Re: Help and RE: 7pin Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:57:14 -0400 Just reading last week's mail and I have a little info. First for Aaron Martin: I have a 99 F350DRW PSD automatic 4x4 that experienced a similar problem to yours. I would stop at a stop light, and when I would go again, the speedometer would not move, all shifting was very late, OD light would flash. This would continue until I stopped, turned the key off, then started again. (but it would return later). Took it to the dealer who read a problem code and after consulting with Ford on the phone, changed the ABS computer. Apparently the printed info from Ford wasn't enough for them to figure it out, so the mechanic had to call. This all took place about 3 months ago, 10K miles on truck. Luckily it was under warranty, because he spent all day on it. Can't help on the hi idle (PSDs are completely different there) Now for trailer wiring: When I ordered my 99, there were two trailer packages: one was just the class IV receiver, and the other was the "Trailer Tow", which included extra cooling up front (not sure but think it was the trans cooler), larger electrics (battery or alt - PSD meant this didn't change), and the 7-wire harness. If you didn't order that, you only got the flat 4wire and it wasn't isolated from the truck wiring. The 7wire is nice because the trailer wires are all fused separately from the truck, so if the trailer shorts out when you back the boat into the water :), the truck lights are still working. Also adding an electric brake controller is plug and play. (If you find a good mounting spot). Early 99's did not include the plug, and the bundle is a little short to actually make it to the preferred mounting points, but with 00's the wires got longer and the plug leaves the factory in the glove compartment. (Some dealers will connect it as part of prep) Seems some people want the 6/5/4pin to match their trailer. Dave Somers ------------------------------ From: "Mark Browning" Subject: trany problem i think Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:44:42 EDT Hi i have a 99 Ford F-150 and 4.2L. Ok the problem is that when i accelerated the rpms would go way up and the truck felt like it was in neutral.(while driving) then i would release the gas and re-apply it and its fine did anyone else have this similair problem??? i have it a the dealers right now and te want to charge me a $#$ load of cash to check it. and i was wondering if anyone out there has a solution to my problem... as well as that my wipers go off by them selves some times... if anyone can help me it would be greatly apprecated. thanks ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: George Rigney Subject: Re: New Purchase Inquiry Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:55:01 -0500 Dear Gary, We've been extremely pleased with the V-10 in my wife's truck. The heaviest load we've carried was 2200 pounds of dirt and cement (in the bed) and the engine didn't appear to struggle, even when going uphill. The crew cab is terrific! My wife and I have driven around with three large adults in the back and everyone was comfortable. We got the short bed (~7') because the wheel base was shorter; in test drives, the short bed crew cab was easier to handle than the long bed. You have to drop the tailgate when carrying plywood or sheetrock, but the boards don't extend beyond the tailgate. We ordered "carpet delete" and got a rubber flooring with a texture similar to Rhino-lining. It has the same sound-deadening pad as the carpet, so it's just as quiet. No worrying about spills. Speaking of Rhino-lining, I highly recommend it. Nothing slides, and the stuff is damn near indestructible. Automatic versus stick is a personal preference. I always go auto. Good luck with whatever you decide. Best regards, George 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302 1999 F250 SD CC V10 -----Original Message----- From: RSnovi aol.com [mailto:RSnovi aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:11 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: New Purchase Inquiry In a message dated 5/1/00 3:55:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ggadwa ruralnetwork.net writes: what the hec are you doing ordering a V10 and a STICK, yeesh! i owned way too many gas trucks already. GO Diesel and auto, you are looking at a truck relatively similar to mine and also if you don't have to go in a lot of tight places get the TT mirrors I almost run over all kinds of imports on the road, sport mirrors have a hec of a blind spot. 3.73 feels like a decent gear to me on the road. RS << I'm relatively new to this list.......been on the 80-96 list since the early days of the list. My inquiry is: I'm right in the process of ordering a 2000 F250 4x4 XLT Supercab with the V10, Manual 5 Speed and 3.73 gears wondering if any List serve members have any specific words of wisdom, advice or other valuable considerations for a FORDAHolic about to bite the bullet. Appreciate your comments, Gary Gadwa 1991 F250HD 4x4 Supercab 1996 Explorer 1931 Model A Victo >> ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Christian Bagley" Subject: Re: trany problem i think Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:53:34 EDT Is your truck still under warranty? If so, they should not charge you anything to look at it. If they do want to charge you, tell them you will go somewhere else. As for your truck problems, I don't know what could be causing your acceleration problem but the wiper problem is common in many F150's, I think it is the switch that is in the steering column that goes bad. Mine really acts up when I have it on intermittant and turn on my turn signal or when I hit a bump, I just havn't had it fixed yet. Chris >From: "Mark Browning" >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: [97up-list] trany problem i think >Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:44:42 EDT > > >Hi i have a 99 Ford F-150 and 4.2L. Ok the problem is that when i >accelerated the rpms would go way up and the truck felt like it was in >neutral.(while driving) then i would release the gas and re-apply it and >its >fine did anyone else have this similair problem??? i have it a the dealers >right now and te want to charge me a $#$ load of cash to check it. and i >was wondering if anyone out there has a solution to my problem... as well >as >that my wipers go off by them selves some times... if anyone can help me it >would be greatly apprecated. thanks > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:25:04 -0500 From: Stan Wright Subject: Re: New Purchase Inquiry I also like the 'carpet delete' option. The black rubberized flooring is nice looking and easy to clean. Another option I like is the cab steps. I had to buy my truck off the lot, and these are two options I wouldn't have considered if I'd ordered the truck. Now that I have them I'm glad I do. George Rigney wrote: > Dear Gary, > > We've been extremely pleased with the V-10 in my wife's truck. The heaviest > load we've carried was 2200 pounds of dirt and cement (in the bed) and the > engine didn't appear to struggle, even when going uphill. > > The crew cab is terrific! My wife and I have driven around with three large > adults in the back and everyone was comfortable. We got the short bed (~7') > because the wheel base was shorter; in test drives, the short bed crew cab > was easier to handle than the long bed. You have to drop the tailgate when > carrying plywood or sheetrock, but the boards don't extend beyond the > tailgate. > > We ordered "carpet delete" and got a rubber flooring with a texture similar > to Rhino-lining. It has the same sound-deadening pad as the carpet, so it's > just as quiet. No worrying about spills. > > Speaking of Rhino-lining, I highly recommend it. Nothing slides, and the > stuff is damn near indestructible. > > Automatic versus stick is a personal preference. I always go auto. > > Good luck with whatever you decide. > > Best regards, > George > 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W > 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302 > 1999 F250 SD CC V10 > > -----Original Message----- > From: RSnovi aol.com [mailto:RSnovi aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:11 AM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [97up-list] Re: New Purchase Inquiry > > In a message dated 5/1/00 3:55:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ggadwa ruralnetwork.net writes: > > what the hec are you doing ordering a V10 and a STICK, yeesh! i owned way > too > many gas trucks already. GO Diesel and auto, you are looking at a truck > relatively similar to mine and also if you don't have to go in a lot of > tight > places get the TT mirrors I almost run over all kinds of imports on the > road, > sport mirrors have a hec of a blind spot. 3.73 feels like a decent gear to > me on the road. > > RS > > << > I'm relatively new to this list.......been on the 80-96 list since the > early > days of the list. > > My inquiry is: I'm right in the process of ordering a 2000 F250 4x4 XLT > Supercab with the > V10, Manual 5 Speed and 3.73 gears wondering if any List serve members have > any specific words of wisdom, advice or other valuable considerations for a > FORDAHolic about to bite the bullet. > > Appreciate your comments, > > Gary Gadwa > 1991 F250HD 4x4 Supercab > 1996 Explorer > 1931 Model A Victo >> > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar.... 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