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Re: Gas Tank Sizes - Why? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schapker Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges Check out Diesel Injection Service for A pillar mounts http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:44 -0400 I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the Sport Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might look ok... ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of johny Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:07 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge Many choices here. www.summitracing.com has Autometer, VDO, intellitronix, etc. (and are very good guages). If you are more price sensitive, jc whitney, or the local auto parts store. Digial, analog, 2" 1/16 or around 3"+ guage sizes are typical. White faced guages, black faced guages, high tec style, liquid filled, air filled ad nauseum. jmann living.com wrote: > I have a 2000 F150 with a 5.4 and the smaller auto transmission. I tow a > 4000lbs boat and trailer every weekend and I'm not known for babying my > vehicles. Total weight is around 9000 lbs. I've heard that heat is the > biggest enemy of this automatic tranny. Who makes the best transmission temp > gauge for this truck? ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:12:36 -0400 Actually the A pillar that most places sell is made by a subsidiary of AutoMeter. ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Robert Benne Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 10:14 AM To: F350 Forum Subject: [97up-list] Speaking of Gauges The neatest setup I have seen for gauges are Banks Engineering Window post application. Replaces the current drivers side window post trim piece. Can hold two or three gauges. Most common applications are turbo boost, trans temp and oil temp. Really slick setup. I encourage you to check them out. ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:15:33 -0400 That's where I got my A pillar pod from. They had about 5 in stock as of Friday. Summit, Jegs, etc don't have it in stock. You can check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autometer.com and they have a good picture of it. The full pillar 3 pod part number is 17307. ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Schapker Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:48 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: Speaking of Gauges Check out Diesel Injection Service for A pillar mounts http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:30:20 -0700 From: johny Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge Pete Calabrese wrote: > I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the Sport > Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been > partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might look > ok... I bought my 3 guage A-pillar setup from Diesel Injection Services. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm One thing to note about trans temp guages. They only have a range from about 100F - 140F to 350F. The only guage that reads from 0F is the digital guages. (0F- 350F) In non-towing/unloaded situations, you may almost never see the trans temp guage move off the bottom, if you have an analog guage. Unloaded highway I usually see 30F over ambient temps, and 40F hauling a 3000lb truck camper. In city or very hilly terrain, I usually see anywhere from 40F - 60F over. I've had it at 90F over going up to Mesa Verde National Park with the camper on. I've heard stories of folks manuevering big 5th wheel trailers really heating up the transmissions (lots of slippage, and almost no airflow through the cooler) I think about 220F is when the OD light starts flashing on the 4R100 (or E4OD). ------------------------------ From: "Pete Calabrese" Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:58:42 -0400 I bought my pillar/pod setup from them, really nice people. I just wanted the AutoMeter's.... Thanks for the heads up on the trans temp. I am not really concerned about the temp commuting, but if/when I get the new car trailer, I want to make sure the trans stays happy.... ___________________________________________________________________ 1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver 493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back... Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com 1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped! 2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of johny Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:30 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge Pete Calabrese wrote: > I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the Sport > Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been > partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might look > ok... I bought my 3 guage A-pillar setup from Diesel Injection Services. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm One thing to note about trans temp guages. They only have a range from about 100F - 140F to 350F. The only guage that reads from 0F is the digital guages. (0F- 350F) In non-towing/unloaded situations, you may almost never see the trans temp guage move off the bottom, if you have an analog guage. Unloaded highway I usually see 30F over ambient temps, and 40F hauling a 3000lb truck camper. In city or very hilly terrain, I usually see anywhere from 40F - 60F over. I've had it at 90F over going up to Mesa Verde National Park with the camper on. I've heard stories of folks manuevering big 5th wheel trailers really heating up the transmissions (lots of slippage, and almost no airflow through the cooler) I think about 220F is when the OD light starts flashing on the 4R100 (or E4OD). ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: jmann living.com Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:49:07 -0500 I just wanted to thank everyone for their valuable input on my request for Trans Temp gauge and gauge pillar pod information. On a 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4, does anyone have a recommendation for a second gauge, besides Tans temp? A single gauge would look sort of lonely by itself. Joe Mann Austin, TX. www.living.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:59:54 -0500 From: Stan Wright Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans tempgauge How about a real oil pressure guage? It's my impression that the Ford oil pressure guages don't show real oil pressure, it's just a 'yes/no' kind of thing. jmann living.com wrote: > I just wanted to thank everyone for their valuable input on my request for > Trans Temp gauge and gauge pillar pod information. > > On a 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4, does anyone have a recommendation for a second > gauge, besides Tans temp? A single gauge would look sort of lonely by > itself. > > Joe Mann > Austin, TX. > > www.living.com > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:31:31 -0400 From: Clem Subject: Replacement Fuel Tank I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish it held more fuel than 29 gallons. Has anybody installed one of the replacement fuel tanks by Aero Tanks (I think they have a 55 gallon replacement) or Transfer Flow who has a 48 gallon replacement tank? Besides getting the factory tank as empty as possible, how hard are they to put in? I sorta like the idea of chosing where I buy fuel when taking a long trip. Looks like there's a lot of room forward of the stock tank that a larger tank could have been installed at the factory. ------------------------------ From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:52:16 -0700 I'm sure there is a reason that fuel tank sizes are limited the way they are. My '97 F-150 came with a 25 gallon, even though the initial "roll-out" specs for that truck called for a 30 gallon. If you consider the "cost-benefit" ratio between tank sizes, there are two reasons that I can think of as to why tank sizes are somewhat limited: 1) Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs. per gallon (at least aviation 100LL does), so an additional 30 gallons of fuel would add at least 180 lbs to the gross weight, that in turn, takes away from the available payload. If you own a half-ton, then you're losing 33% of the initial available capacity. Add 500 lbs of passenger and internal load, then that extra fuel could drop your bed payload capacity down to 170 lbs! 2) The fuel economy lost lugging around essentially two gas tanks, (it may not make much difference per mile, but over 700 miles) could be enough that it would be less than the mileage lost by stopping for refueling and engine startup. -----Original Message----- From: Clem [mailto:wahoofan earthlink.net] Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish it held more fuel than 29 gallons. ------------------------------ From: "George Passidakis" Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:58:30 -0700 I have the 48 gallon Transfer Flow tank on my '99 F-350 short bed. Check out the photo's on my truck projects page at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gettinoff.com/members/gpassida/ Since I am in CA, I drove to Transfer Flow and had them install it. It really boosted my range. No problems or leaks so far. It is a really nicely constructed tank. Is your SuperCab a 2WD? The current tank does not fit 4x4 SuperCabs as the transfer case does not leave enough room. They were thinking about making one when I was there. They were also close to releasing an aux tank that replaces the spare tire. I can't speak first hand for the quality of the Aero tank but I did not get a good response when I talked to them on the phone. When I asked the 3rd question, the guy just said "Screw it" and hung up the phone. Guess he had better things to do... George -----Original Message----- From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Clem Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:32 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish it held more fuel than 29 gallons. Has anybody installed one of the replacement fuel tanks by Aero Tanks (I think they have a 55 gallon replacement) or Transfer Flow who has a 48 gallon replacement tank? Besides getting the factory tank as empty as possible, how hard are they to put in? I sorta like the idea of chosing where I buy fuel when taking a long trip. Looks like there's a lot of room forward of the stock tank that a larger tank could have been installed at the factory. ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:41:08 -0700 From: johny Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank If you drill through Georges site, mines the blue truck in the 4 camper pic :-). Another alternative is seeing if the 38 Gal tank from the long bed can be retrofitted into a Short bed. I looked into this about a year ago, but info was hard to come by. A long bed tank looks like it could fit. You can try your favorite friendly body shop. They might know, or know someone that does. I'm going to hold out for the Transfer flow setup, if and when it comes out. (I have a 99 SC 4x4 short bed). Since I'm hauling the same camper as George, i'm not likely to go for a aux tank. Too much weight on the rear axle for me. We do have a common friend that *does* have first hand experience with Aero though. Every time we mention Aero, he treatens to beat us up :-). Their sense of Customer service is, well *not*. He's swapped his Aero tanks with Transfer Flow, and TF was able to tell him all the problems that Aero never could figure out. There's more to it, but overall a very poor experience with Aero. -john George Passidakis wrote: > I have the 48 gallon Transfer Flow tank on my '99 F-350 short bed. Check > out the photo's on my truck projects page at > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gettinoff.com/members/gpassida/ > > Since I am in CA, I drove to Transfer Flow and had them install it. It > really boosted my range. No problems or leaks so far. It is a really > nicely constructed tank. > > Is your SuperCab a 2WD? The current tank does not fit 4x4 SuperCabs as the > transfer case does not leave enough room. They were thinking about making > one when I was there. They were also close to releasing an aux tank that > replaces the spare tire. > > I can't speak first hand for the quality of the Aero tank but I did not get > a good response when I talked to them on the phone. When I asked the 3rd > question, the guy just said "Screw it" and hung up the phone. Guess he > had better things to do... > > George ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Gas Tank Sizes - Why? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:23:55 -0400 No. I don't think so. 1. The infamous "1/2 ton" pick-up truck really no longer exists as such, each truck has a max load that consists of some odd number and most "1/2 tons" are really closer to "3/4 tons" in capacity. 2. Lugging around 180 extra pounds (equal to one more person) will do practically nothing to mileage (unless entered in the Baja 1000). In fact, one of the biggest mileage killing factors in towing is total facing frontal area (e.g., the more air the truck has to move out of it's way, the worse the mileage. A little extra internal weight adds no frontal area. 3. I have heard rumors that gas tank sizes are limited by the following factors (depending on the rumor); however, I do not know which, if any, to believe. a. Too much fuel will make a bigger fire in an accident. b. Too much gas will let people drive longer distances without stopping and increase the odds of falling asleep at the wheel. c. Bigger tanks require more heavy-duty hardware and to suspend it above the ground AND it takes up more room under the vehicle, possible putting the rank in closer proximity to the Catalytic converter, exhaust pipes, brake lines, etc. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Replacement Fuel Tank > I'm sure there is a reason that fuel tank sizes are limited the way > they are. My '97 F-150 came with a 25 gallon, even though the initial > "roll-out" specs for that truck called for a 30 gallon. > If you consider the "cost-benefit" ratio between tank sizes, there > are two reasons that I can think of as to why tank sizes are somewhat > limited: > 1) Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs. per gallon (at least aviation 100LL > does), so an additional 30 gallons of fuel would add at least 180 lbs to > the gross weight, that in turn, takes away from the available payload. If > you own a half-ton, then you're losing 33% of the initial available > capacity. Add 500 lbs of passenger and internal load, then that extra fuel > could drop your bed payload capacity down to 170 lbs! > 2) The fuel economy lost lugging around essentially two gas tanks, > (it may not make much difference per mile, but over 700 miles) could be > enough that it would be less than the mileage lost by stopping for refueling > and engine startup. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clem [mailto:wahoofan earthlink.net] > Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank > > > I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the > beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish > it held more fuel than 29 gallons. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:47:38 -0400 From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler Subject: Re: Gas Tank Sizes - Why? At 10:23 PM 4/24/00 -0400, Keith wrote: >3. I have heard rumors that gas tank sizes are limited by the following >factors (depending on the rumor); however, I do not know which, if any, to >believe. .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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