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In This Issue:
Re: Speaking of Gauges
Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge
Re: Speaking of Gauges
Re: Speaking of Gauges
Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge
Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge
Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp
Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans tempgauge
Replacement Fuel Tank
Re: Replacement Fuel Tank
Re: Replacement Fuel Tank
Re: Replacement Fuel Tank
Gas Tank Sizes - Why?
Re: Gas Tank Sizes - Why?

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Schapker yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges


Check out Diesel Injection Service for A pillar mounts


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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:44 -0400

I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the Sport
Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been
partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might look
ok...

___________________________________________________________________
1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually

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gauge




Many choices here.
www.summitracing.com has Autometer, VDO, intellitronix, etc.
(and are very good guages).

If you are more price sensitive, jc whitney, or the local auto parts store.

Digial, analog, 2" 1/16 or around 3"+ guage sizes are typical.
White faced guages, black faced guages, high tec style, liquid filled,
air filled ad nauseum.

jmann living.com wrote:

> I have a 2000 F150 with a 5.4 and the smaller auto transmission. I tow a
> 4000lbs boat and trailer every weekend and I'm not known for babying my
> vehicles. Total weight is around 9000 lbs. I've heard that heat is the
> biggest enemy of this automatic tranny. Who makes the best transmission
temp
> gauge for this truck?



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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:12:36 -0400

Actually the A pillar that most places sell is made by a subsidiary of
AutoMeter.

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1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 10:14 AM
To: F350 Forum
Subject: [97up-list] Speaking of Gauges



The neatest setup I have seen for gauges are Banks Engineering Window post
application. Replaces the current drivers side window post trim piece. Can
hold two or three gauges. Most common applications are turbo boost, trans
temp and oil temp. Really slick setup. I encourage you to check them out.

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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:15:33 -0400

That's where I got my A pillar pod from. They had about 5 in stock as of
Friday. Summit, Jegs, etc don't have it in stock. You can check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autometer.com and they have a good picture of it. The full
pillar 3 pod part number is 17307.

___________________________________________________________________
1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually

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Subject: [97up-list] Re: Speaking of Gauges



Check out Diesel Injection Service for A pillar mounts


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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:30:20 -0700
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge



Pete Calabrese wrote:

> I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the Sport
> Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been
> partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might look
> ok...

I bought my 3 guage A-pillar setup from Diesel Injection Services.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm

One thing to note about trans temp guages. They only have a
range from about 100F - 140F to 350F.

The only guage that reads from 0F is the digital guages. (0F- 350F)

In non-towing/unloaded situations, you may almost never see the trans
temp guage move off the bottom, if you have an analog guage.
Unloaded highway I usually see 30F over
ambient temps, and 40F hauling a 3000lb truck camper. In city or very hilly
terrain, I usually see anywhere from 40F - 60F over. I've had it at 90F over
going up to Mesa Verde National Park with the camper on.

I've heard stories of folks manuevering big 5th wheel trailers really heating
up the transmissions (lots of slippage, and almost no airflow through the
cooler)

I think about 220F is when the OD light starts flashing on the 4R100 (or
E4OD).


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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp gauge
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:58:42 -0400

I bought my pillar/pod setup from them, really nice people. I just wanted
the AutoMeter's....

Thanks for the heads up on the trans temp. I am not really concerned about
the temp commuting, but if/when I get the new car trailer, I want to make
sure the trans stays happy....

___________________________________________________________________
1991 Mustang LX Coupe 347 : 12.14 112 No NOS yet! : 3240w/driver
493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64 121.53 A few years back...
Hudson Valley 5.0 #00 Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club 924EM
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.snkypete.com
1993 Taurus SHO:LPM, C&L : 1998 SeaDoo XPLimited - Coffman equipped!
2000 F-350 CrewCab Powerstroke Lariat LE Dually

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From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:30 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp
gauge




Pete Calabrese wrote:

> I actually went with all AutoMeter UltraLite gauges...I might get the
Sport
> Comp's since they'll match the speedo/tach better, but I've always been
> partial to the UltraLite's. Since they'll be on the pillar, they might
look
> ok...

I bought my 3 guage A-pillar setup from Diesel Injection Services.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/bnkmount.htm

One thing to note about trans temp guages. They only have a
range from about 100F - 140F to 350F.

The only guage that reads from 0F is the digital guages. (0F- 350F)

In non-towing/unloaded situations, you may almost never see the trans
temp guage move off the bottom, if you have an analog guage.
Unloaded highway I usually see 30F over
ambient temps, and 40F hauling a 3000lb truck camper. In city or very hilly
terrain, I usually see anywhere from 40F - 60F over. I've had it at 90F
over
going up to Mesa Verde National Park with the camper on.

I've heard stories of folks manuevering big 5th wheel trailers really
heating
up the transmissions (lots of slippage, and almost no airflow through the
cooler)

I think about 220F is when the OD light starts flashing on the 4R100 (or
E4OD).

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From: jmann living.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans temp
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:49:07 -0500

I just wanted to thank everyone for their valuable input on my request for
Trans Temp gauge and gauge pillar pod information.

On a 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4, does anyone have a recommendation for a second
gauge, besides Tans temp? A single gauge would look sort of lonely by
itself.

Joe Mann
Austin, TX.

www.living.com



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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:59:54 -0500
From: Stan Wright hpcisp.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gauges - I need a good Trans tempgauge

How about a real oil pressure guage? It's my impression that the Ford oil
pressure guages don't show real oil pressure, it's just a 'yes/no' kind of
thing.

jmann living.com wrote:

> I just wanted to thank everyone for their valuable input on my request for
> Trans Temp gauge and gauge pillar pod information.
>
> On a 2000 F-150 Lariat 4x4, does anyone have a recommendation for a second
> gauge, besides Tans temp? A single gauge would look sort of lonely by
> itself.
>
> Joe Mann
> Austin, TX.
>
> www.living.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:31:31 -0400
From: Clem earthlink.net>
Subject: Replacement Fuel Tank

I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the
beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish
it held more fuel than 29 gallons.

Has anybody installed one of the replacement fuel tanks by Aero Tanks (I
think they have a 55 gallon replacement) or Transfer Flow who has a 48
gallon replacement tank? Besides getting the factory tank as empty as
possible, how hard are they to put in? I sorta like the idea of chosing
where I buy fuel when taking a long trip. Looks like there's a lot of
room forward of the stock tank that a larger tank could have been
installed at the factory.


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From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" apsc.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:52:16 -0700

I'm sure there is a reason that fuel tank sizes are limited the way
they are. My '97 F-150 came with a 25 gallon, even though the initial
"roll-out" specs for that truck called for a 30 gallon.
If you consider the "cost-benefit" ratio between tank sizes, there
are two reasons that I can think of as to why tank sizes are somewhat
limited:
1) Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs. per gallon (at least aviation 100LL
does), so an additional 30 gallons of fuel would add at least 180 lbs to
the gross weight, that in turn, takes away from the available payload. If
you own a half-ton, then you're losing 33% of the initial available
capacity. Add 500 lbs of passenger and internal load, then that extra fuel
could drop your bed payload capacity down to 170 lbs!
2) The fuel economy lost lugging around essentially two gas tanks,
(it may not make much difference per mile, but over 700 miles) could be
enough that it would be less than the mileage lost by stopping for refueling
and engine startup.



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From: Clem [mailto:wahoofan earthlink.net]
Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank


I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the
beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish
it held more fuel than 29 gallons.



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From: "George Passidakis" home.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:58:30 -0700

I have the 48 gallon Transfer Flow tank on my '99 F-350 short bed. Check
out the photo's on my truck projects page at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gettinoff.com/members/gpassida/

Since I am in CA, I drove to Transfer Flow and had them install it. It
really boosted my range. No problems or leaks so far. It is a really
nicely constructed tank.

Is your SuperCab a 2WD? The current tank does not fit 4x4 SuperCabs as the
transfer case does not leave enough room. They were thinking about making
one when I was there. They were also close to releasing an aux tank that
replaces the spare tire.

I can't speak first hand for the quality of the Aero tank but I did not get
a good response when I talked to them on the phone. When I asked the 3rd
question, the guy just said "Screw it" and hung up the phone. Guess he
had better things to do...

George

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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:32 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank


I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the
beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish
it held more fuel than 29 gallons.

Has anybody installed one of the replacement fuel tanks by Aero Tanks (I
think they have a 55 gallon replacement) or Transfer Flow who has a 48
gallon replacement tank? Besides getting the factory tank as empty as
possible, how hard are they to put in? I sorta like the idea of chosing
where I buy fuel when taking a long trip. Looks like there's a lot of
room forward of the stock tank that a larger tank could have been
installed at the factory.

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:41:08 -0700
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Tank

If you drill through Georges site, mines the blue truck in the 4 camper pic :-).

Another alternative is seeing if the 38 Gal tank from the long bed can be
retrofitted into a Short bed. I looked into this about a year ago, but info
was hard to come by. A long bed tank looks like it could fit.

You can try your favorite friendly body shop. They might know, or
know someone that does.

I'm going to hold out for the Transfer flow setup, if and when it comes
out. (I have a 99 SC 4x4 short bed). Since I'm hauling the same
camper as George, i'm not likely to go for a aux tank. Too much
weight on the rear axle for me.

We do have a common friend that *does* have first hand experience with
Aero though. Every time we mention Aero, he treatens to beat us up :-).
Their sense of Customer service is, well *not*.

He's swapped his Aero tanks with Transfer Flow, and TF was able to
tell him all the problems that Aero never could figure out. There's more to
it, but overall a very poor experience with Aero.

-john


George Passidakis wrote:

> I have the 48 gallon Transfer Flow tank on my '99 F-350 short bed. Check
> out the photo's on my truck projects page at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.gettinoff.com/members/gpassida/
>
> Since I am in CA, I drove to Transfer Flow and had them install it. It
> really boosted my range. No problems or leaks so far. It is a really
> nicely constructed tank.
>
> Is your SuperCab a 2WD? The current tank does not fit 4x4 SuperCabs as the
> transfer case does not leave enough room. They were thinking about making
> one when I was there. They were also close to releasing an aux tank that
> replaces the spare tire.
>
> I can't speak first hand for the quality of the Aero tank but I did not get
> a good response when I talked to them on the phone. When I asked the 3rd
> question, the guy just said "Screw it" and hung up the phone. Guess he
> had better things to do...
>
> George




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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Gas Tank Sizes - Why?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:23:55 -0400

No. I don't think so.

1. The infamous "1/2 ton" pick-up truck really no longer exists as such,
each truck has a max load that consists of some odd number and most "1/2
tons" are really closer to "3/4 tons" in capacity.

2. Lugging around 180 extra pounds (equal to one more person) will do
practically nothing to mileage (unless entered in the Baja 1000). In fact,
one of the biggest mileage killing factors in towing is total facing frontal
area (e.g., the more air the truck has to move out of it's way, the worse
the mileage. A little extra internal weight adds no frontal area.

3. I have heard rumors that gas tank sizes are limited by the following
factors (depending on the rumor); however, I do not know which, if any, to
believe.

a. Too much fuel will make a bigger fire in an accident.

b. Too much gas will let people drive longer distances without stopping and
increase the odds of falling asleep at the wheel.

c. Bigger tanks require more heavy-duty hardware and to suspend it above
the ground AND it takes up more room under the vehicle, possible putting the
rank in closer proximity to the Catalytic converter, exhaust pipes, brake
lines, etc.


Keith


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From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" apsc.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:52 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Replacement Fuel Tank


> I'm sure there is a reason that fuel tank sizes are limited the way
> they are. My '97 F-150 came with a 25 gallon, even though the initial
> "roll-out" specs for that truck called for a 30 gallon.
> If you consider the "cost-benefit" ratio between tank sizes, there
> are two reasons that I can think of as to why tank sizes are somewhat
> limited:
> 1) Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs. per gallon (at least aviation 100LL
> does), so an additional 30 gallons of fuel would add at least 180 lbs to
> the gross weight, that in turn, takes away from the available payload. If
> you own a half-ton, then you're losing 33% of the initial available
> capacity. Add 500 lbs of passenger and internal load, then that extra fuel
> could drop your bed payload capacity down to 170 lbs!
> 2) The fuel economy lost lugging around essentially two gas tanks,
> (it may not make much difference per mile, but over 700 miles) could be
> enough that it would be less than the mileage lost by stopping for
refueling
> and engine startup.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clem [mailto:wahoofan earthlink.net]
> Subject: [97up-list] Replacement Fuel Tank
>
>
> I'm the recent, proud owner of a Y2K F250 SC Powerstroke. Love the
> beast and pulls my camper like it's not even there. Only thing, I wish
> it held more fuel than 29 gallons.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:47:38 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler ici.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Tank Sizes - Why?

At 10:23 PM 4/24/00 -0400, Keith wrote:

>3. I have heard rumors that gas tank sizes are limited by the following
>factors (depending on the rumor); however, I do not know which, if any, to
>believe.
....


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