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97up-list Digest Sat, 12 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 005

In This Issue:
Re: Oil and Fuel
Re: Oil and Fuel
Shocks
Re: Shocks
Re: Oil and Fuel
ADMIN: AFTE and Pigeon Forge Lists
Re: Oil and Fuel
Fight Land Closure--Please email Now!
Diesel Fuel
Re: Oil and Fuel
Re: Diesel Fuel
Front Steering Stabilizer

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From: "Erik Marquez" alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Oil and Fuel
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:55:24 -0900


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Oil and Fuel


>Wow. With the price of diesel fuel these days, I guess I am glad I went
>with an F-350 SuperDuty with the V-10 gas motor.
>Of course, $1.35/gallon
>still is not chicken feed.

Just depends on where you live. Up here where I'm at I pay $1.34 for diesel,
gas for a V-10 would cost me $1.45-$.156

Erik Marquez
97 F350 CC, 4x4, psd
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:32:44 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Oil and Fuel

So sorry about the price of diesel....

Local San Jose ca. price is $1.48 - $1.54 at the cheap places.

As far as oil is concerned, if you have a PSD, then you want oil rated for
the diesel. Check your Diesel supplement owners manual. Oils used in gas
burners are not created equal for the Diesel.

For non-synthetic, Delo400 or Shell Rotella are strong bets. Change at
3000 mile intervals. Local Costco sells Delo400 in the 6 gallon pack at
about $33.00 or so.

I use Delo400 and motocraft oil filters on my 99 F350 SD.

For extensive care and feeding tips -
On fluid recommendations:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/faq/1999faq/Maintenance-PartNumbers.htm

your first oil change:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/faq/1999faq/Maintenance-LOF.htm

and a ton of other information:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/faq/1999faq/Maintenance-LOF.htm

and don't forget to check out the forums.

-john


> Stopped in a Straus Auto Store while in the Bronx, to price oil, as we don't
> have a Walmart or K-Mart anywhere around. Pretty wide range of prices.
> Powerstroke engines have a reputation for lasting a very long time without
> doing anything special like using synthetic oil. My 2000 requires 16 quarts
> per change, so I'm hoping that buying moderate cost oil won't be
> pound-foolish. Is there any difference in the 10 or 20 brands of oil I see
> on the shelves? Can anyone refer me to a web-site or available magazine
> comparison?
>
> I have seen enough general comments to think that sticking with Motorcraft
> filters is worth that investment.
>
> Comments?




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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:21:50 -0800
From: Jon Lam netcom.ca>
Subject: Shocks

I have a '97 F-150, 2wd, V6, manual, SC, and looking to upgrade all 4
shocks. I use this truck as a daily commuter and occasionaly haul heavy
loads. Almost all the driving is done one pavement.... no offroading.
The one I have in mind is Monroe Reflex, any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, you can post to the list or e-mail me at
jlam netcom.ca





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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Shocks
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:25:46 -0500

Also check out the Bilstiens and Edlebrocks new shocks, they are supposed to
be very good. PS I have the Bilstiens on my Expedition, they work fine.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Lam" netcom.ca>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:21 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Shocks


> I have a '97 F-150, 2wd, V6, manual, SC, and looking to upgrade all 4
> shocks. I use this truck as a daily commuter and occasionaly haul heavy
> loads. Almost all the driving is done one pavement.... no offroading.
> The one I have in mind is Monroe Reflex, any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance, you can post to the list or e-mail me at
> jlam netcom.ca
>
>
>
>
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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil and Fuel
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:28:41 -0500

Good point. Also, in states where Diesel fuel is over $2.00/gal.,
government action is being considered. The oil companyies better get thier
sh....t together or they may go the way of MicroSoft!

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Marquez" alaska.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:55 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Oil and Fuel


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Veren worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Oil and Fuel
>
>
> >Wow. With the price of diesel fuel these days, I guess I am glad I went
> >with an F-350 SuperDuty with the V-10 gas motor.
> >Of course, $1.35/gallon
> >still is not chicken feed.
>
> Just depends on where you live. Up here where I'm at I pay $1.34 for
diesel,
> gas for a V-10 would cost me $1.45-$.156
>
> Erik Marquez
> 97 F350 CC, 4x4, psd
> bronco78 alaska.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
> Home of the BB decal
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:04:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: AFTE and Pigeon Forge Lists

The AFTE and Pigeon Forge lists are back up.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:18:56 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: Re: Oil and Fuel

>Good point. Also, in states where Diesel fuel is over $2.00/gal.,
>government action is being considered. The oil companyies better get thier
>sh....t together or they may go the way of MicroSoft!

The area's that diesel has hit those prices are also the area's that
really on heating oil for most people's homes. It's a demand thing, and the
Politico's that actually understand the real world (there are a few)
understand that as spring hits prices will go back down.

It's like the west coast last year, when a couple of refineries in Calf
had fires and the fuel pipe line leading from the refineries to the cities
in Wash blew up. All of a sudden the prices of gas went up.

OPEC is actually holding the line on production, this is pushing the
price of fuel up.

Actually, if you go back, lets say 25 years, take the price of fuel then,
apply inflation, and ---- my guess is the price would be more then what it
currently is.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.




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From: Alevinson aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:07:55 EST
Subject: Fight Land Closure--Please email Now!

Please protect your rights. Use this pre-written email to voice your opinion
about Clinton's Forest Plan.

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Thanks,

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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:35:18 -0500
From: Brad Sauter iquest.net>
Subject: Diesel Fuel

Wow, some of these prices you guys have to pay back east are outragous! I
really feel for you and I hope they don't hit the heartland like that. I
fill up at a Shell for $1.19/ gal in Indianapolis. I have seen it as high
as 1.56/gal around here but at my Shell diesel is still 20 cents cheaper
than regular unleaded. I don't say a word to them, I don't want to tip them
off:)
Brad Sauter, KB9TNK
Cathy Sauter

BSAUTER IQUEST.NET
BSAUTER LILLY.COM


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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil and Fuel
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:43:05 -0500

Of course, I understand capitalism, however, nothing gets the politicians
going more than something to do. Just think, how many laws are there on the
books? Do we really need thousands of more laws every year? Religious or
not, the 10 rules set forth as the Ten Commandments, if followed, would
provide all the law necessary to run the country. Supply and demand can
only go to a point, then the politicos scream "gouging" and "unfair business
practices" and "artificial shortage" and if they can't find some existing
law to blame, they make one up, pass it, and they have their new law (of
course, no old-out-of-date, laws get taken off the books) like the
Pennsylvania one to get your motorized vehicle off the road if a horse is
coming the other way , and it is illegal to make a funny face and get your
picture taken in front of the Capital building (not kidding, it was a law
for years, I think they did take that one off the books though).

Anyway, I agree that the oil companies are in a bind. I live in
Massachusetts, and those that heat their house with oil are screaming bloody
murder (we heat our house with gas, which is almost as expensive as oil) as
are the truck drivers. Kind of fishy though, sell Americans tons of very
cheap oil for gasoline for a few years so they get used to it and buy big
gas-sucking cars and trucks with fuel lines the size that comes on 747s.
Wait until a high percentage of the population owns big honkin' vehicles.
Have the secret OPEC meeting. Triple the price of gasoline by cutting oil
production way down. Get boat-loads of money every day for a few years
until everyone parks the gas hogs and drives hybrid
gas-battery-solar-eggshells. Then, turn on the faucet again. Gas price
drops way down, someone decides to drive a big-4-WD monstermobile. Every
sees it and goes wow-looks cool. Keep selling Americans tons of very cheap
oil for gasoline for a few years more so they get used to it and the
eggshell cars are gone (seen a Pinto, Vega, or K-Car lately) and everyone
has big gas-sucking cars and trucks. OPEC will repeat this enough to get
plenty of money, but not so much that it causes war. Just venting.

Keith




----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Lindberg" amsat.org>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Oil and Fuel


> >Good point. Also, in states where Diesel fuel is over $2.00/gal.,
> >government action is being considered. The oil companyies better get
thier
> >sh....t together or they may go the way of MicroSoft!
>
> The area's that diesel has hit those prices are also the area's that
> really on heating oil for most people's homes. It's a demand thing, and
the
> Politico's that actually understand the real world (there are a few)
> understand that as spring hits prices will go back down.
>
> It's like the west coast last year, when a couple of refineries in Calf
> had fires and the fuel pipe line leading from the refineries to the cities
> in Wash blew up. All of a sudden the prices of gas went up.
>
> OPEC is actually holding the line on production, this is pushing the
> price of fuel up.
>
> Actually, if you go back, lets say 25 years, take the price of fuel
then,
> apply inflation, and ---- my guess is the price would be more then what it
> currently is.
>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>
>
>
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>


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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:01:50 EST
Subject: Re: Diesel Fuel

Beleive me Brad, they know. It's local market pressures and costs at the
local terminal complex that are keeping it from happeneing in your area,
whatever they are.

It's simple enough, Out of a given barrel of crude, you can get gasolne AND
fuel oil. But, fuel oil is diesel, JP, kerosene, heating oil. So you share
that part of the pie. When demand goes up fo one piece of the pie, locally,
so does the price for all pieces of the pie

Note, I say locally. The wosrt problem is in the northeast where fuel oil is
the primary heating product. They never did get natual gas pipelines laid in
except in the major metropolitan areas. The Northeast is also on the end of
the distribution sysytem.

Now couple that with the artificial restriction on raw product as a sign of
Gulf War Gratitude by the middle eastern producers and fuel costs will begin
to hurt for the foreseeable future. Yes prices will go down some in the
spring, but as long as we are dependant on overseas crude and have a wimp
political policy towards OPEC, it would appear that we are doomed to suffer
increasing fuel prices.

John G

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From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: Front Steering Stabilizer
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:43:59 -0800


Gang, A buddy of mine has a 99'Super Duty Crew F350, I have the same rig but
it is a F250. We noticed when we parked side to side that he does not have a
steering stabilizer on his steering linkage. The mount is there for it, but
it is no where to be found. Does that make any sense, or did Ford blow it?
....


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