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97up-list Digest Sun, 26 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 038

In This Issue:
Side view mirror
Spark plug buildup
Re: Brakes
Re: Side view mirror
Re: Side view mirror
Re: Brakes
Two problems that I need answers for
Re: Side view mirror
Re: Spark plug buildup
Re: Brakes
Re: Spark plug buildup
Re: Brakes
ATF change
Re: Two problems that I need answers for
2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Re: Superduty/camper height
Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG

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From: Cop786 aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:48:01 EST
Subject: Side view mirror

The right side mirror on my 97 F150 XLT will not adjust left and right from
the power switch, but it will adjust up and down. The left mirror works fine
also. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? Thanks in advance!
Chris

------------------------------

From: Cop786 aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:48:03 EST
Subject: Spark plug buildup

Hi everyone! I have a question about my 97 4.6L auto truck. It hasn't been
running as good as it used to, so I decided to pull one of the spark plugs
out and inspect it and what I found was a black buildup on the plug. Seems
to me like there is probably a minor oil leak somewhere. I was told that I
may need a valve job. Does this sound right to any of you? A valve job is
pretty expensive, but if that's what's wrong, I guess I better fix it.
Thanks alot!

------------------------------

From: cakid themail.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:50:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Brakes


In my honest opinion, shuddering at the end of a stop is never 'normal'. If the rotors are floating in the calipers that badly and an adjustment can not be made, then its a defect in the workmanship that produced the truck. I hope your racing parts will fix the problem. But I don't think this says much for the motto of Ford being "Quality is Job 1". Most dealers will fix problems if the solution is paid for by someone else. It has been my experience that when it's something the manufacturer doesn't cover or deem necessary, yet is an obvious problem, the dealer is bit remiss to do the right thing. Afterall it's not a truck to them, it's a unit, a measurement of volume that describes business profit or loss.

Just my opinion, and I still want a new Ford Truck this year.
C.K. Hartline

Oh and is whistling Dixie while wearing a Yankees ball cap like trying to drive and yapping into a cellular phone while turning a corner at a busy intersection


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>
>On 3/25/2000, Gary Newlin wrote:
>
>> Have you tried shifting into neutral while at speed, and then braking to a
>> stop?
>
>[snip]
>
>I've tried EVERYTHING! I think. Forward, backward, in neutral, in gear, 4x4,
>4x2, uphill, downhill, with ABS fuse pulled and not and even with a New York
>Yankees hat on my head while whistling "Dixie." :-) Sorry, couldn't resist.
>
>I'm considering looking into replacing rotors, calipers and pads with
>aftermarket racing parts to get rid of this annoyance; if that's possible.
>But, I WILL make my feelings known to FORD!
>
>I've only gotten 5 or 6 responses to my post, so, is this thing normal like
>the dealer states??? Not with so few responses, IMHO.
>
>
>--
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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Side view mirror
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:55:09 -0500

Check to see that something is not stuck in between the mirror and the case
(i.e., a stick or rock) that is limiting the direction to only one way.

Keith


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Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 6:48 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Side view mirror


> The right side mirror on my 97 F150 XLT will not adjust left and right
from
> the power switch, but it will adjust up and down. The left mirror works
fine
> also. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? Thanks in advance!
> Chris
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:59:54 -0800
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Side view mirror

Cop786 aol.com wrote:
>
> The right side mirror on my 97 F150 XLT will not adjust left and right from
> the power switch, but it will adjust up and down. The left mirror works fine
> also. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? Thanks in advance!
> Chris
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Chris,

Try pushing it all the way to the left by hand and then to
the right. After that try the switch again.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:49:31 -0600
From: Lee Haefele htva.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes

Don't know about THAT problem, I DO know that if you load a gas F-350DRW
to its full 11,200# GVW, it won't stop AT ALL (In a reasonable distance,
with reasonable pedal pressure). In addition it is DANGEROUS on snow
when loaded as it locks the front wheels (yes the ABS goes buzz, it
still slides off the road & has 4X stopping distance of our new GMC).
Guess why we have a new GMC.
Lee Haefele

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From: prsr213 ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:22:49 -0600
Subject: Two problems that I need answers for

Hello to everyone on the list. I have been a lurker for some time but
need to get some info regarding two problem areas on my truck. First,
sliding rear window has developed after owing the truck for two years,
it is a '97 reg. cab long bed 4X4, purchased in 2/98. It is still under
warranty, but my concern is I have a Leer cap on the bed, does it need
to be removed for them to look at the rear window? Second, after 24k the
4.6 seems to be a quart low, has never happend before. Using Valvoline
5w30 synthetic, but when checking dipstick seems to be oil stain around
head gasket area. Does anyone know if this has been a problem with this
engine? Any input appreciated.

Sincerely,
Paul
'97 F-150, reg. cab LB, XLT, 4X4 with Leer cap, KYB shocks, new Clarion
in dash cd player.

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:35:06 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
Subject: Re: Side view mirror

I'd check the switch. It comes out real easy - just pop up the entire
window/mirror control panel, unplug the connector, abd there you have it. I'd
take it to the dealer to see if they can test it. Otherwise, I'd check for dirty
connectors, and last, a bad mirror control motor.

//Johnnyquest

Cop786 aol.com wrote:

> The right side mirror on my 97 F150 XLT will not adjust left and right from
> the power switch, but it will adjust up and down. The left mirror works fine
> also. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? Thanks in advance!
> Chris
> ==========================================================
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:48:26 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
Subject: Re: Spark plug buildup

Try adding a bottle of Chevron Techron to your tank next time you fill up and
run a tank of gas through. I've seen heard of fantastic results with this
stuff, and at $5-8 a bottle, it's cheaper than replacing plugs and a whole lot
cheaper than a valve job. You will have to change your oil after the treatment
though as it will become contaminated with alot of carbon. It is available at
Wal-Mart or at Chevron Stations.

//Johnnyquest

Cop786 aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone! I have a question about my 97 4.6L auto truck. It hasn't been
> running as good as it used to, so I decided to pull one of the spark plugs
> out and inspect it and what I found was a black buildup on the plug. Seems
> to me like there is probably a minor oil leak somewhere. I was told that I
> may need a valve job. Does this sound right to any of you? A valve job is
> pretty expensive, but if that's what's wrong, I guess I better fix it.
> Thanks alot!
> ==========================================================
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From: Logerman aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:53:41 EST
Subject: Re: Brakes

THE BRAKES ON MY TRUCK ARE CRAP. 97, 4WD 150. THE WHOLE TRUCK SHAKES

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From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plug buildup
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:49:01 EST

Well, it depends on how many miles you have on your truck. If you have very
few miles like 30 - 40K on it, I would say that you have a problem, BUT
these engines have been known to run the gas mixture VERY rich. Check your
tail pipe for carbon build up. I pulled my spark plugs at 60K and replaced
them. They had a good amount of black build up on them and the tail pipes
also had carbon on them. I now have 90K on my truck and have been running a
superchip and 93 octane fuel with an injector cleaner about every month and
have not had the carbon build up on my tail pipe like before. I would look
at the possible fixes and start with the CHEAPEST first.

Chris

>From: Cop786 aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [97up-list] Spark plug buildup
>Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:48:03 EST
>
>Hi everyone! I have a question about my 97 4.6L auto truck. It hasn't
>been
>running as good as it used to, so I decided to pull one of the spark plugs
>out and inspect it and what I found was a black buildup on the plug. Seems
>to me like there is probably a minor oil leak somewhere. I was told that I
>may need a valve job. Does this sound right to any of you? A valve job is
>pretty expensive, but if that's what's wrong, I guess I better fix it.
>Thanks alot!

______________________________________________________


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:08:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brakes

Has anyone on the list try this product http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.performancefriction.com/
for brakes.

Hunter.


> THE BRAKES ON MY TRUCK ARE CRAP. 97, 4WD 150. THE WHOLE TRUCK SHAKES


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From: "Zinski, Steve" richmond.edu>
Subject: ATF change
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:19:42 -0500

I just changed the automatic transmission fluid in my truck. It took 14
quarts. The shop manual says that the system capacity is 16 1/2 quarts. That
means that there are 2 1/2 quarts of old fluid still in the system. Not too
bad, if you ask me. I filled it up with Valvoline Durablend synthetic blend
ATF. It cost about a buck more per quart than the regular stuff but I am
told that the synthetic blend holds up much better.

While I had the pan off, I installed a drain plug (it required drilling a
1/2" hole in the pan and installing a drain plug). The next time I have to
do this chore, I can drain the torque converter and transmission pan from
the two drain holes and not make such a mess.

I have the E40D tranny (4x4) with the HD cooling package. With the filter
and synthetic blend fluid, this job cost me just over $50. Not too bad. I'm
sure the dealer would have reamed me and I'd have "regular" fluid. Lots of
people say that the dealer will flush the system. Well, I'm sure that's
true. But, mixing the 2 1/2 quarts of the old stuff with 14 quarts of the
new stuff gives me an 85% fluid change. As long as I change the fluid at
regular intervals I think I'll be OK.

--Steve Zinski


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:10:30 -0800
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Two problems that I need answers for

prsr213 ameritech.net wrote:
>
> Hello to everyone on the list. I have been a lurker for some time but
> need to get some info regarding two problem areas on my truck. First,
> sliding rear window has developed after owing the truck for two years,
> it is a '97 reg. cab long bed 4X4, purchased in 2/98. It is still under
> warranty, but my concern is I have a Leer cap on the bed, does it need
> to be removed for them to look at the rear window? Second, after 24k the
> 4.6 seems to be a quart low, has never happend before. Using Valvoline
> 5w30 synthetic, but when checking dipstick seems to be oil stain around
> head gasket area. Does anyone know if this has been a problem with this
> engine? Any input appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paul
> '97 F-150, reg. cab LB, XLT, 4X4 with Leer cap, KYB shocks, new Clarion
> in dash cd player.


Paul,

The cap has to be removed for the Dealer to properly
diagnose the rear window. Call and ask if they will remove
it. IMHO I would not trust the Dealer to do it properly.
OOPS, we dropped your cap. Sorry for the inconvenience.
:-( I would mention the oil thing to the dealer and have
him look at it. If something happens later on you will have
told the dealer about it. Oil flows down and to the rear so
look up and towards the front to see where the oil leak is.
( if there is one).

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

------------------------------

From: jmann living.com
Subject: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:23:26 -0600

Hey guys,

Just got back from a trip to Ft Worth, from Austin. The truck is running a
K&N filter, Flowmaster 50 series muffler and a hard tonneau cover on the
bed. So, on the way home I thought I'd see what my highway MPG was in my new
2000 5.4 4x4 Lariat. So I capped off the tank with 87 octane in Ft. Worth
reset the trip odometer, and hit the highway. Well about 180 mile later I'm
home. I filled up again about four lights from the highway and divided the
total miles by the fuel it took to fill the tank and came up with 15.5 MPG.
Here are the conditions during the drive.

Avg. Temp: 83
Avg. Humidity: ~50
Avg. speed: 75
Cruise was used 2/3 of the way
A/C: OFF

The sticker claimed 17MPG for Highway and with the K&N, Flowmaster and
tonneau cover I would have thought that I would get at least that, or
better.

Any ideas? 15MPG Highway seems a bit low. Was 17MPG calculated on 55mph? I
average 12 to 13 during the week going to work, with a mix of highway and
city driving. A 2-3 MPG difference seems a little narrow.

Thanks for any advise or input.

Joe
Austin, TX


From product site:

K&N: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilters.com/
Flowmaster: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/
Quote from site: "I could feel the increase in power right away, and it has
a nice, quiet, rich sound that I really like. And the gas mileage improved
as well!"
A.R.E. tonneau: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4are.com/




------------------------------

From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" apsc.com>
Subject: Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:43 -0700

Good question. According to the EPA website regarding CAFE (Corporate
Average Fuel Economy) standards:

All tests are done on a dynomometer in a controlled lab environment.
Wind resistance is supposedly "accounted for". Engine is hot at beginning of
test.

City test: 7.5 miles with an average speed of 20 mph. A total of 23
minutes driving time with 18 "stops". 18% of the time the vehicle is idling
(to simulate stop lights). Includes a brief acceleration to highway speeds.

Highway test: 10 mile trip with an average speed of 48 mph.


So... the numbers are generally useless today (these standards were
written back in the 70's when the speed limit was 55 mph) for our current
highway speeds. Wind resistance plays the major role in decreasing your mpg
above 35 mph, and the increase is nonlinear (inverse square law?)

Hope this helps. Certainly answered my own curiosity!

-----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 08:23
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG




Any ideas? 15MPG Highway seems a bit low. Was 17MPG calculated on 55mph? I
average 12 to 13 during the week going to work, with a mix of highway and
city driving. A 2-3 MPG difference seems a little narrow.



------------------------------

From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:10:26 EST
Subject: Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG

In a message dated 3/27/00 10:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jmann living.com writes:


be happy you are getting 15 some odd mpg in a 4x4, a few years back 10-12 was
avg. This is a truck, if i wanted economy i would have bought a SVT contour!
Not a F250SD !

RS
<<
Hey guys,

Just got back from a trip to Ft Worth, from Austin. The truck is running a
K&N filter, Flowmaster 50 series muffler and a hard tonneau cover on the
bed. So, on the way home I thought I'd see what my highway MPG was in my new
2000 5.4 4x4 Lariat. So I capped off the tank with 87 octane in Ft. Worth
reset the trip odometer, and hit the highway. Well about 180 mile later I'm
home. I filled up again about four lights from the highway and divided the
total miles by the fuel it took to fill the tank and came up with 15.5 MPG.
Here are the conditions during the drive.

Avg. Temp: 83
Avg. Humidity: ~50
Avg. speed: 75
Cruise was used 2/3 of the way
A/C: OFF

The sticker claimed 17MPG for Highway and with the K&N, Flowmaster and
tonneau cover I would have thought that I would get at least that, or
better.

Any ideas? 15MPG Highway seems a bit low. Was 17MPG calculated on 55mph? I
average 12 to 13 during the week going to work, with a mix of highway and
city driving. A 2-3 MPG difference seems a little narrow.

Thanks for any advise or input.

Joe
Austin, TX

>>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:40:43 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Superduty/camper height

I have a 99 Lance 820 that I carry around with my 99 F350 SC short bed.
I don't have the camper on right now, so I can't give you exact measurements.
The floor of the camper is at 38" or so (so measure up from there).

I have 265/75/16 tires, and rear airlift air bags that I use to raise the rear
end back to stock height (and rancho 9000's to control body roll).
I also have the lower profile AC unit on top.
BigFoot's with Basements are even higher.
Probably in the 10' to 11.5' height range at the top of the AC unit.

Can you be more specific on what information you want?

-john

Kirk Werner wrote:

> Anyone out there use their 4x4 Superduty to haul a camper?
> I'm interested to know the height of the camper roof when loaded on your
> truck. I Have an F350 4x4 SRW crew cab.




------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:21:16 -0800
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG

jmann living.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just got back from a trip to Ft Worth, from Austin. The truck is running a
> K&N filter, Flowmaster 50 series muffler and a hard tonneau cover on the
> bed. So, on the way home I thought I'd see what my highway MPG was in my new
> 2000 5.4 4x4 Lariat. So I capped off the tank with 87 octane in Ft. Worth
> reset the trip odometer, and hit the highway. Well about 180 mile later I'm
> home. I filled up again about four lights from the highway and divided the
> total miles by the fuel it took to fill the tank and came up with 15.5 MPG.
> Here are the conditions during the drive.
>
> Avg. Temp: 83
> Avg. Humidity: ~50
> Avg. speed: 75
> Cruise was used 2/3 of the way
> A/C: OFF
>
> The sticker claimed 17MPG for Highway and with the K&N, Flowmaster and
> tonneau cover I would have thought that I would get at least that, or
> better.
>
> Any ideas? 15MPG Highway seems a bit low. Was 17MPG calculated on 55mph? I
> average 12 to 13 during the week going to work, with a mix of highway and
> city driving. A 2-3 MPG difference seems a little narrow.
>
> Thanks for any advise or input.
>
> Joe
> Austin, TX
>
> >From product site:
>
> K&N: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilters.com/
> Flowmaster: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/
> Quote from site: "I could feel the increase in power right away, and it has
> a nice, quiet, rich sound that I really like. And the gas mileage improved
> as well!"
> A.R.E. tonneau: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4are.com/
>

Joe,

The key word was "new". As you accumulate mileage your
mpg will improve.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

------------------------------

From: jmann living.com
Subject: Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:58:25 -0600

Really? Why? Does the computer map the engine more efficiently over time?
Oh, the truck has 4100 miles on it. When should I expect the engine to break
in?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Marc Chartier
[mailto:jmc.chartier sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 4:21 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG

jmann living.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just got back from a trip to Ft Worth, from Austin. The
truck is running a
> K&N filter, Flowmaster 50 series muffler and a hard
tonneau cover on the
> bed. So, on the way home I thought I'd see what my highway
MPG was in my new
> 2000 5.4 4x4 Lariat. So I capped off the tank with 87
octane in Ft. Worth
> reset the trip odometer, and hit the highway. Well about
180 mile later I'm
> home. I filled up again about four lights from the highway
and divided the
> total miles by the fuel it took to fill the tank and came
up with 15.5 MPG.
> Here are the conditions during the drive.
>
> Avg. Temp: 83
> Avg. Humidity: ~50
> Avg. speed: 75
> Cruise was used 2/3 of the way
> A/C: OFF
>
> The sticker claimed 17MPG for Highway and with the K&N,
Flowmaster and
> tonneau cover I would have thought that I would get at
least that, or
> better.
>
> Any ideas? 15MPG Highway seems a bit low. Was 17MPG
calculated on 55mph? I
> average 12 to 13 during the week going to work, with a mix
of highway and
> city driving. A 2-3 MPG difference seems a little narrow.
>
> Thanks for any advise or input.
>
> Joe
> Austin, TX
>
> >From product site:
>
> K&N: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilters.com/
> Flowmaster: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/
> Quote from site: "I could feel the increase in power right
away, and it has
> a nice, quiet, rich sound that I really like. And the gas
mileage improved
> as well!"
> A.R.E. tonneau: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4are.com/
>

Joe,

The key word was "new". As you accumulate mileage your
mpg will improve.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:17:44 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: Noll, William E(Z01981) apsc.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 10:46 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 2000 F150 5.4 4x4 MPG


> Good question. According to the EPA website regarding CAFE (Corporate....


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