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Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Mon, 20 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 033 In This Issue: Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package Re: Trailer wiring that doesn't work Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package K&N Re: K&N Re: K&N Re: K&N Re: K&N Re: K&N B&M shift kit. Proper coolant change procedure Re: K&N B&M shift kit. Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package 99/2000 SD PSD small Mirror assem. wanted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: washer Subject: Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:02:09 -0800 Sorry to tell you, that my 97 (and my 00) F150 SC with trailer towing package both worked as delivered from the dealer. The only thing you should have to do 'under the dash' is use the factory supplied harness to wire trailer brake actuator, if you are towing a trailer with electric brakes. The lights should be fine. You must have something wrong somewhere. - jim -----Original Message----- From: Ken Thomas [SMTP:kethomas ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:46 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Wiring/Trailer towing package Hi, I'm Ken. I have a 97 Ford F150 super cab, with the factory installed trailer towing package, and am having trouble making it work. I bought the factory 7 terminal (6 terminals in a circle and one terminal in the center) pigtail taking it from the large female receptical to a standard four plug trailer plug (flat plug). I get only running lights on the trailer. I have completely checked out the trailer and all lights function normally when powered with 12 volts (ie running, stop, and left and right signals). Next I unpluged the pigtail from the truck receptical. I tested for voltage on each terminal. With lights on, I got voltage at the running light terminal and the + terminal. I then powered on the switch and turned on the the left and right turn signals and tested the left and right turn signal/brake terminal and did not register any signal. I then went to the fuse box under the hood and checked and replaced the 40 amp fuse in position 16. The fuse was OK, but I still switched it with another 40 amp fuse from position 23. Still no power to the stop/turn terminals. I pierced the yellow and green wires just forward of the bumper receptical and check for signal just in case the receptical could have been damaged, still no signal. I was told by someone that maybe the harness wasn't connected under the dash, somewhere by the heater outlet and glove box. I inspected under there, not knowing what to look for, but did not see anything unplugged or out of order. I wonder if there is a relay somewhere in the system that might be bad? I don't have a wiring schematic so I don't know where to look next. Could anyone help? I'm leaving Thursday on a trip and could sure use some. Thanks, Ken ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:01:31 -0600 From: Lee Haefele Subject: Re: Trailer wiring that doesn't work When you find this, would you please let me know what it was, then I can fix my windstar with the same symptoms. There are relays in the fusebox, mine are clicking away plus I have swapped them around, but no brake/signal lights. Lee Haefele ------------------------------ From: "Brad Moulton" Subject: Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:14:51 -0800 Hi Ken There are also fuses in the underhood fuse box that affect the turn signals. left and right are seperate and should be 10 amp. Good Luck....Brad -----Original Message----- From: Ken Thomas To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: [97up-list] Wiring/Trailer towing package >Hi, I'm Ken. >I have a 97 Ford F150 super cab, with the factory installed trailer >towing package, and am having trouble making it work. ................. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Lowell Subject: K&N I'm really sorry, but air filters do not change drive ratios. I can see if it is shifting into overdrive sooner, but I would think that would be more than 300 rpm? I would love to hear how K&N defied the laws of physics. Bob >It just does. My 98 Ford Escort ZX2 did the same thing when I put a >K&N f>ilter in it. It dropped about 300 RPM's. > >Ok, silly question.. I thought that automatic transmission and torgue >converters locked up pretty solid at crusing speeds.. So, how is it >possible that changing an air filter, no matter how much more powerful it >makes the engine, could possibly change the engine rpm for a given crusing >speed? > Bob Lowell ljspop yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. ------------------------------ From: "Christian Bagley" Subject: Re: K&N Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:46:57 EST Well then, I guess your laws of physics over come what my eye witness testimony tells me and I guess you are calling me either a liar or an idiot. Either of which would normally insult me but not this time, I can see that you are a person that must see to believe. Well, it is my PERSONAL account of what happened that before I put the K&N air filter in to my car(no other modifications AT ALL), the RPM's were at about 2900-3000 at 60 mph, then I installed the K&N air filter and the RPM's then dropped down to 2600-2700. By the way, my car is a manual, so shifting into overdrive sooner is irrelevant. I now have a thought for you to ponder. Imagine that you put some kind of gadget that hinders the air flow to your throttle. Would it not take more effort for that vehicle to reach a given state such as 60mph being that it cannot breathe?(If you cover your mouth and nose so you cannot breathe, doesn't your heart beat faster?) Well, if it does take more of an effort, then would it not require you to give the vehicle more "gas"? Then you give it more gas to reach 60mph, therefore increasing the RPM's to accomplish your intended goal of 60MPH. Basically, if you have less resistance, you can decrease your effort. 2900 RPM'S -> 2600 RPM'S Chris > >I'm really sorry, but air filters do not change drive ratios. I can see if >it > >is shifting into overdrive sooner, but I would think that would be more >than > >300 rpm? I would love to hear how K&N defied the laws of physics. > >Bob > > >It just does. My 98 Ford Escort ZX2 did the same thing when I put a > >K&N >f>ilter in it. It dropped about 300 RPM's. > > > > > >Ok, silly question.. I thought that automatic transmission and torgue > >converters locked up pretty solid at crusing speeds.. So, how is it > >possible that changing an air filter, no matter how much more powerful >it > >makes the engine, could possibly change the engine rpm for a given >crusing > >speed? > > > > > > >Bob Lowell >ljspop yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Steve J. Hodson" Subject: Re: K&N Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:36:25 -0500 Following this thread I originally thought I might have a possible answer to the seeming contradiction; e.g. a change in intake manifold vacuum might be changing torque converter lock up timing. But now, reading that you have a manual transmission, I have to agree with Bob. No Chris, I'm not calling anyone any names! I fully believe that you are seeing the tachometer read 300 rpm lower. What I am saying is that either your tachometer is speedometer is now reading 'wrong' as compared to before the switch a new air filter. With a manual transmission your engine is directly linked to the rear tires. Unless your clutch is slipping badly and about ready to go, your engine cannot be turning a different rpm at the same speed unless you have changed tires or rear end ratios or transmission gear ratios. It's got nothing to do with how much air the engine get or how hard it works, it's how many turns of the crankshaft are needed to make one turn of the tires. Does anyone have a possible explanation for the observed difference in rpm vs speed when switching to a different air filter? Unless Ford does something strang with vacuum to drive the speedometer or tachometer then I am at a loss. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bagley To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N >Well then, >I guess your laws of physics over come what my eye witness testimony tells >me and I guess you are calling me either a liar or an idiot. Either of >which would normally insult me but not this time, I can see that you are a >person that must see to believe. Well, it is my PERSONAL account of what >happened that before I put the K&N air filter in to my car(no other >modifications AT ALL), the RPM's were at about 2900-3000 at 60 mph, then I >installed the K&N air filter and the RPM's then dropped down to 2600-2700. >By the way, my car is a manual, so shifting into overdrive sooner is >irrelevant. > >I now have a thought for you to ponder. Imagine that you put some kind of >gadget that hinders the air flow to your throttle. Would it not take more >effort for that vehicle to reach a given state such as 60mph being that it >cannot breathe?(If you cover your mouth and nose so you cannot breathe, >doesn't your heart beat faster?) Well, if it does take more of an effort, >then would it not require you to give the vehicle more "gas"? Then you give >it more gas to reach 60mph, therefore increasing the RPM's to accomplish >your intended goal of 60MPH. Basically, if you have less resistance, you >can decrease your effort. 2900 RPM'S -> 2600 RPM'S > >Chris > > >> >>I'm really sorry, but air filters do not change drive ratios. I can see if >>it >> >>is shifting into overdrive sooner, but I would think that would be more >>than >> >>300 rpm? I would love to hear how K&N defied the laws of physics. >> >>Bob >> >> >It just does. My 98 Ford Escort ZX2 did the same thing when I put a >> >K&N >>f>ilter in it. It dropped about 300 RPM's. >> >> >> > >> >Ok, silly question.. I thought that automatic transmission and torgue >> >converters locked up pretty solid at crusing speeds.. So, how is it >> >possible that changing an air filter, no matter how much more powerful >>it >> >makes the engine, could possibly change the engine rpm for a given >>crusing >> >speed? >> > >> >> >> >> >>Bob Lowell >>ljspop yahoo.com >> > >______________________________________________________ > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "White, Robert W" Subject: Re: K&N Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:09:11 -0500 did he also change tire pressure? (rolling Diameter), regards bw -----Original Message----- From: Steve J. Hodson [mailto:hodsonsj mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 4:36 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N Following this thread I originally thought I might have a possible answer to the seeming contradiction; e.g. a change in intake manifold vacuum might be changing torque converter lock up timing. But now, reading that you have a manual transmission, I have to agree with Bob. No Chris, I'm not calling anyone any names! I fully believe that you are seeing the tachometer read 300 rpm lower. What I am saying is that either your tachometer is speedometer is now reading 'wrong' as compared to before the switch a new air filter. With a manual transmission your engine is directly linked to the rear tires. Unless your clutch is slipping badly and about ready to go, your engine cannot be turning a different rpm at the same speed unless you have changed tires or rear end ratios or transmission gear ratios. It's got nothing to do with how much air the engine get or how hard it works, it's how many turns of the crankshaft are needed to make one turn of the tires. Does anyone have a possible explanation for the observed difference in rpm vs speed when switching to a different air filter? Unless Ford does something strang with vacuum to drive the speedometer or tachometer then I am at a loss. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bagley To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N >Well then, >I guess your laws of physics over come what my eye witness testimony tells >me and I guess you are calling me either a liar or an idiot. Either of >which would normally insult me but not this time, I can see that you are a >person that must see to believe. Well, it is my PERSONAL account of what >happened that before I put the K&N air filter in to my car(no other >modifications AT ALL), the RPM's were at about 2900-3000 at 60 mph, then I >installed the K&N air filter and the RPM's then dropped down to 2600-2700. >By the way, my car is a manual, so shifting into overdrive sooner is >irrelevant. > >I now have a thought for you to ponder. Imagine that you put some kind of >gadget that hinders the air flow to your throttle. Would it not take more >effort for that vehicle to reach a given state such as 60mph being that it >cannot breathe?(If you cover your mouth and nose so you cannot breathe, >doesn't your heart beat faster?) Well, if it does take more of an effort, >then would it not require you to give the vehicle more "gas"? Then you give >it more gas to reach 60mph, therefore increasing the RPM's to accomplish >your intended goal of 60MPH. Basically, if you have less resistance, you >can decrease your effort. 2900 RPM'S -> 2600 RPM'S > >Chris > > >> >>I'm really sorry, but air filters do not change drive ratios. I can see if >>it >> >>is shifting into overdrive sooner, but I would think that would be more >>than >> >>300 rpm? I would love to hear how K&N defied the laws of physics. >> >>Bob >> >> >It just does. My 98 Ford Escort ZX2 did the same thing when I put a >> >K&N >>f>ilter in it. It dropped about 300 RPM's. >> >> >> > >> >Ok, silly question.. I thought that automatic transmission and torgue >> >converters locked up pretty solid at crusing speeds.. So, how is it >> >possible that changing an air filter, no matter how much more powerful >>it >> >makes the engine, could possibly change the engine rpm for a given >>crusing >> >speed? >> > >> >> >> >> >>Bob Lowell >>ljspop yahoo.com >> > >______________________________________________________ > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: jmann living.com Subject: Re: K&N Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:35:44 -0600 Yes, I agree with Steve. In a manual drive train it is physically "impossible" to change the RPM's at a given speed by simply changing the air filter. You would have to change the tire diameter, the ring and pinion gears, or the transmission. Sorry Chris, I don't know what you are seeing. But, believe this former physics major and shade-tree mechanic of 15 years when I say that the K&N filter did not change the physical engine speed to final drive speed. Your tach is messing with you.... -----Original Message----- From: Steve J. Hodson [mailto:hodsonsj mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 3:36 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N Following this thread I originally thought I might have a possible answer to the seeming contradiction; e.g. a change in intake manifold vacuum might be changing torque converter lock up timing. But now, reading that you have a manual transmission, I have to agree with Bob. No Chris, I'm not calling anyone any names! I fully believe that you are seeing the tachometer read 300 rpm lower. What I am saying is that either your tachometer is speedometer is now reading 'wrong' as compared to before the switch a new air filter. With a manual transmission your engine is directly linked to the rear tires. Unless your clutch is slipping badly and about ready to go, your engine cannot be turning a different rpm at the same speed unless you have changed tires or rear end ratios or transmission gear ratios. It's got nothing to do with how much air the engine get or how hard it works, it's how many turns of the crankshaft are needed to make one turn of the tires. Does anyone have a possible explanation for the observed difference in rpm vs speed when switching to a different air filter? Unless Ford does something strang with vacuum to drive the speedometer or tachometer then I am at a loss. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Christian Bagley" Subject: Re: K&N B&M shift kit. Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:07:45 EST Well, I guess I better lay off the Mountain Dew. But seriously, if I did not see it myself, I would be saying the same things you guys are saying. The clutch is new and has not been slipping at all. I dont know why this happened but it did. I don't know, maybe I need to start wearing my glasses again. Ok, I am going to change the subject now. Has anyone installed the B&M electronic shift kit on their truck? > >Yes, I agree with Steve. In a manual drive train it is physically >"impossible" to change the RPM's at a given speed by simply changing the >air >filter. You would have to change the tire diameter, the ring and pinion >gears, or the transmission. Sorry Chris, I don't know what you are seeing. >But, believe this former physics major and shade-tree mechanic of 15 years >when I say that the K&N filter did not change the physical engine speed to >final drive speed. > >Your tach is messing with you.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve J. Hodson [mailto:hodsonsj mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 3:36 PM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N > > Following this thread I originally thought I might have a >possible answer to > the seeming contradiction; e.g. a change in intake manifold >vacuum might be > changing torque converter lock up timing. But now, reading >that you have a > manual transmission, I have to agree with Bob. No >Chris, I'm not > calling anyone any names! I fully believe that you are >seeing the > tachometer read 300 rpm lower. What I am saying is that >either your > tachometer is speedometer is now reading 'wrong' as compared >to before the > switch a new air filter. With a manual transmission your >engine is directly > linked to the rear tires. Unless your clutch is slipping >badly and about > ready to go, your engine cannot be turning a different rpm >at the same speed > unless you have changed tires or rear end ratios or >transmission gear > ratios. It's got nothing to do with how much air the engine >get or how hard > it works, it's how many turns of the crankshaft are needed >to make one turn > of the tires. > > Does anyone have a possible explanation for the observed >difference in rpm > vs speed when switching to a different air filter? Unless >Ford does > something strang with vacuum to drive the speedometer or >tachometer then I > am at a loss. > > Steve > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the >message. > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:39:14 -0600 Subject: Proper coolant change procedure From: Brett L Habben Folks, I normally hang out at the 61-79 list but a friend has asked me if I could change the coolant in their '97 F150 w/4.6 modular V8 for them. Forgive me if this has already been covered and just aim me towards the proper archive if so. I've been told that some newer engine's cooling systems are reverse flow and that you can easily trap an air bubble in the system and ruin the engine. Is this true of the 4.6? If so, what's the proper procedure to change the coolant out and bleed the system? Thanks for any tips in advance. Brett ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Erik Marquez" Subject: Re: K&N B&M shift kit. Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:52:43 -0900 -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bagley Subject: [97up-list] Re: K&N B&M shift kit. > >Ok, I am going to change the subject now. Has anyone installed the B&M >electronic shift kit on their truck? yes I know Of three people on another list I'm on (bigbroncos.com) all three with E40D Trans, all three with failures in the PCM . The B&M shift plus causes a resistor in the PCM to burn out. one member had some luck with doing his own fix, using a new resistor, but the other two had to buy a new PCM($230 or so from the dealer) B&M has stated there is no "known" problem with there product, but it was the only new piece of equipment added to these broncos, and they all failed the exact same way. I strongly suggest you go with the Banks Trans command . Go here to take a look http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galebanks.com/GBford.html Erik Marquez 97 F350 CC 4X4 PSD bronco78 alaska.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 Home of the BB decal ------------------------------ From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)" Subject: Re: Wiring/Trailer towing package Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:09:08 -0700 There is "another"... Another fuse, that is... Check your owners manual carefully. The mega fuses are for the battery charging system, and IIRC, the stop lights. There is a mini fuse in the mini box just aft of the power distribution box that, IIRC, contains the fuse for the turn signals (stop lights). For some reason, I've had to replace both of them at one time or another. Helps to keep a box of spare mini fuses in the glove box. As an aside. If you find that the 40 amp mega fuse is blown, and it's late at night and you're trying to hook up your boat trailer.... If you don't have power seats, or the suspension lift compressor thing installed as an option, you can "borrow" their mega fuses for the time being. I think they are rated at 50 amps. I guess when they stuff the fuse box, it's just easier to fill all the slots, instead of only the necessary ones. In any case, you have built in spares. Just remember to refill the 40 amp when you have the opportunity. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Thomas [mailto:kethomas ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 21:46 To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [97up-list] Wiring/Trailer towing package Hi, I'm Ken. I have a 97 Ford F150 super cab, with the factory installed trailer towing package, and am having trouble making it work..... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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