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97up-list Digest Fri, 03 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 021

In This Issue:
rear window
97up-list springs
Re: rear window
Re: 97up-list springs
Ford Engine Recall
Re: Ford Engine Recall
Heavy Duty Radiator
Re: Ford Engine Recall
Re: Heavy Duty Radiator

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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:37:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: rear window

Ok, We did what the dealer asked for (changed the seal). I took the truck home
yesterday and right into the car wash. It freaking leaked with the new sealed, this
time right in the middle of the window.
So the truck is back with the dealer and they are putting a whole new window this
morning. Hopefully the new one won't leak. I just have to take it to the car wash.

Now to my Q., The service writer told me that I need to wait for at least a week for
everything to settle down (drying process), is this true? Or he is pulling my leg
again.

TIA.

Hunter.


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From: "Sandy Swallow" orionre.com>
Subject: 97up-list springs
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:50:32 -0800


To the list,

I would like to level my truck. That would equate to about a 2.5" lift in the front.
What I understand so far is that the best way to get there is to use a multi leaf spring with say 5 to 7 leafs.
What I am looking for is the source for the highest quality spring I can get.
Does anyone on the list have suggestions or know of sources?

TIA

Sandy


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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:19:27 -0600
From: Steve #1 swbell.net>
Subject: Re: rear window

Hunter wrote:

> Ok, We did what the dealer asked for (changed the seal). I took the truck home
> yesterday and right into the car wash. It freaking leaked with the new sealed, this
> time right in the middle of the window.
> So the truck is back with the dealer and they are putting a whole new window this
> morning. Hopefully the new one won't leak. I just have to take it to the car wash.
>
> Now to my Q., The service writer told me that I need to wait for at least a week for
> everything to settle down (drying process), is this true? Or he is pulling my leg
> again.
>
> TIA.
>
> Hunter.

My dealer decided to do just the opposite. I already had the new glass, and this time
they decided to reseal it. I had specifically told them to replace the glass because
not only did it leak, but it has a squeak when the weather cooled off. It's been
raining since they "fixed" it, but my wife has been driving the truck, so I don't know
how it is holding up.
As far as the seal drying, this is BS. The seal never dries. If it did, this would
likely cause it to leak. The seal is a thick tar like substance that is on the window
when it is shipped. I don't know what they are using to reseal 'em but if it's anything
like the original seal it shouldn't need to dry.
If they don't get mine to stop leaking soon, they are going to be replacing my
carpet and sound proofing. It's still water logged and it's starting to smell. It just
better not get worse before it gets better.


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Steve #1

'99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT 4.6
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4 < FOR SALE >

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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 97up-list springs
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:24:59 -0800

The Tuff Country springs I purchased for my '99 F-350 / SuperDuty / SRW /
Longbed / V-10 / Automatic / were as good as any I ever had, plus they were
painted fairly well so they don't rust. However, I went with the slightly
heavier-duty springs that they make for the same truck with the diesel
engine because I have a snowplow (850 pounds or so) on the front for 1/3 of
the year. Get the kit, and the new shocks (you need longer shocks, the stock
ones won't cut it).

Keith

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From: "Sandy Swallow" orionre.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: [97up-list] 97up-list springs


>
> To the list,
>
> I would like to level my truck. That would equate to about a 2.5" lift in
the front.
> What I understand so far is that the best way to get there is to use a
multi leaf spring with say 5 to 7 leafs.
> What I am looking for is the source for the highest quality spring I can
get.
> Does anyone on the list have suggestions or know of sources?
>
> TIA
>
> Sandy
>
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From: "Bryan Dann" midohio.net>
Subject: Ford Engine Recall
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:30:10 -0500

I recieved this e-mail from our corporate office and not sure if it is true,
but thought some, if not all of you would be very interested in this. I
know of no further infomation on this subject. But was wondering if any of
you have had any problems with a knocking engine at cold start-up.


> DATE: February 23, 2000
> SUBJECT: Ford Motor Co. Recall Notice
>
> I recently received a "hot copy" of a directive to Ford Motor Co.
> dealers that may have a negative effect on (*company name*) fleet vehicles
and your
> operation. This directive was published for "dealers eyes only" for
> reasons that will become clear as you read this. In an effort to be
> accurate, I am re-typing this directive just as it appears.
>
> *special service message 13331 1/18/2000
>
> 1997-1999 EXPED/NAV/E&F-SERIES - COLD STARTUP KNOCK - WINDSOR ENGINES
> ONLY
>
> SOME 1997-1999 EXPEDITION/NAVIGATOR, E AND F SERIES EQUIPPED WITH
> ENGINES PRODUCED BY WINDSOR ENGINE PLANT (4.6, 5.4, 6.8L, EXCEPT
> LIGHTNING 5.4L, SC)
> MAY EXHIBIT AN ENGINE KNOCK AT INITIAL COLD STARTUP. TO DETERMINE IF
> YOUR 4.6L ENGINE IS A WINDSOR BUILD, USE THE 8TH POSITION OF THE VIN
> WHICH IS A '6'.
> ROMEO 4.6L ENGINES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS CONCERN. THIS CONDITION
> INCLUDES ALL THREE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS TOGETHER:
> 1. KNOCK NOISE OCCURS AROUND 1100-1400 RPM IN NEUTRAL OR PARK
> 2. NOISE IS NOT HEARD WITH THE TRANSMISSION IN GEAR
> 3. NOISE GOES AWAY FOLLOWING ENGINE WARN-UP
> (CONTINUED ON 13332)
>
> *special service message 13332 1/18/2000
>
> 1997-1999 EXPED/NAV/E&F-SERIES - COLD STARTUP KNOCK - WINDSOR ENGINES
> ONLY
>
> (CONTINUED FROM 13331)
>
> INFORM THE CUSTOMER THIS WILL NOT AFFECT OPERATION OR LONG TERM
> DURABILITY. TO REPAIR, REPLACE THE ENGINE. AN IMPROVEMENT WAS
> INCORPORATED IN NEW ENGINE PRODUCTION ON 4/15/99. THE SAME IMPROVEMENT
> WAS IMPLEMENTED IN FQR ENGINES. FOR FUTURE INQUIRIES, CALL THE WINDSOR
> PLANT HOTLINE ONLY IF THE ENGINE IS A 1999 4.6/5.4L OR A 1997-1999
> 6.8L. CONTACT YOUR NEAREST FORD AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTOR ONLY IF THE
> ENGINE IS A 1996-1998 4.6 OR 5.4 ENGINE. ENGINES MUST EXHIBIT ALL THREE
> OF THE ABOVE CONDITIONS TO QUALIFY FOR ENGINE REPLACEMENT.
>
> The bulleted area indicates the dealer will first tell you there's no
> long-term effect; the second sentence recommends replacing the engine.
> The language here is vague but gets to the point of recommending
> replacement if the cold startup noise persists. The story is the
> coating on the pistons/cylinder wall separates causing premature wear
> and damage. We have one documented case where these symptoms were
> reported on a brand new F150; currently having a new engine installed.
>
> I highly recommend getting this message to our superintendents and
> having all F Series Ford Trucks fitting the above description checked
> for these symptoms and respond accordingly.



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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:34:32 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: Re: Ford Engine Recall

At 8:30 PM -0500 3/3/00, Bryan Dann wrote:
>I recieved this e-mail from our corporate office and not sure if it is true,
>but thought some, if not all of you would be very interested in this. I
>know of no further infomation on this subject. But was wondering if any of
>you have had any problems with a knocking engine at cold start-up.

This is a known problem from a known series of engines. Interestingly
some Ford dealers have been denying it's a problem recently

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.




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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:07:54 -0600
From: Robert Dickens earthlink.net>
Subject: Heavy Duty Radiator

Hi Everyone,
I just purchased a 2000 F150 XLT SC, 4.6L V8. I ordered it with the
towing package that suppose to include a heavy duty radiator. My
radiator has only one row of cooling vents. I thought the radiator
should have a double row for a heavy duty radiator. Is this faulty
thinking? I asked the service folks at the Ford Store and they don't
know. Does anyone know the answer?


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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:54:56 -0500
From: Tom pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Engine Recall


This sounds great, a noise which dissappears as soon as you shift into gear
and as the engine warms up, so you would have to wait and listen for it, eh?

The note indicates how to determine if the 4.6L is a Windsor -- I have an
early 1999 6.8L -- does anyone know how to decode the VIN for that engine?
(in the 8th position I have an "S")

Thomas Jahl

>> SOME 1997-1999 EXPEDITION/NAVIGATOR, E AND F SERIES EQUIPPED WITH
>> ENGINES PRODUCED BY WINDSOR ENGINE PLANT (4.6, 5.4, 6.8L, EXCEPT
>> LIGHTNING 5.4L, SC)
>> MAY EXHIBIT AN ENGINE KNOCK AT INITIAL COLD STARTUP. TO DETERMINE IF
>> YOUR 4.6L ENGINE IS A WINDSOR BUILD, USE THE 8TH POSITION OF THE VIN
>> WHICH IS A '6'.
>> ROMEO 4.6L ENGINES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS CONCERN. THIS CONDITION
>> INCLUDES ALL THREE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS TOGETHER:
>> 1. KNOCK NOISE OCCURS AROUND 1100-1400 RPM IN NEUTRAL OR PARK
>> 2. NOISE IS NOT HEARD WITH THE TRANSMISSION IN GEAR
>> 3. NOISE GOES AWAY FOLLOWING ENGINE WARN-UP
>> INFORM THE CUSTOMER THIS WILL NOT AFFECT OPERATION OR LONG TERM
>> DURABILITY. TO REPAIR, REPLACE THE ENGINE. AN IMPROVEMENT WAS
>> INCORPORATED IN NEW ENGINE PRODUCTION ON 4/15/99. THE SAME IMPROVEMENT
>> WAS IMPLEMENTED IN FQR ENGINES. FOR FUTURE INQUIRIES, CALL THE WINDSOR
>> PLANT HOTLINE ONLY IF THE ENGINE IS A 1999 4.6/5.4L OR A 1997-1999
>> 6.8L.




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From: washer eoni.com>
Subject: Re: Heavy Duty Radiator
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:17:18 -0800


I've got a 2000 F150 XLT SC, towing, offroad, etc... but with the 5.4L. The
radiator is about 1 inch thick... Don't know whether that is heavy duty or
not.. It does have two auxiliary coolers, one for the tranny, and I think
the second is an engine oil cooler.
- jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Dickens [SMTP:dickensr earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 7:08 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Heavy Duty Radiator

Hi Everyone,
I just purchased a 2000 F150 XLT SC, 4.6L V8. I ordered it with the
towing package that suppose to include a heavy duty radiator. My
radiator has only one row of cooling vents. I thought the radiator
should have a double row for a heavy duty radiator. Is this faulty
thinking? I asked the service folks at the Ford Store and they don't
know. Does anyone know the answer?

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