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97up-list Digest Thu, 24 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 014

In This Issue:
Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Info from Ford
Side mirror
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Re: rear view glass
Supercharger recommendation
Re: Supercharger recommendation
Re: rear view glass
Re: Supercharger recommendation
Re: Supercharger recommendation
Re: Supercharger recommendation
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:23:36 -0600
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family
From: Glenn S See juno.com>

My condolences, Ken. You're doing a great service to the Ford truck
owner community. Hope to see you back online soon.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:36:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??

Well, I went back to the 2nd dealer and told him to look at the book and he still
insists on not touching it. So I called Ford and after 1/2 an hour on the phone they
told me to go back to the 1st dealer and let him change the seal. If this is didn't
fix the problem to call them back and they will change the whole window. They gave me
some kind of a reference # and told me even if the truck was out of warranty to still
call them.
So I have an appointment set for next Wed. to change the seal...

Jeff, after replacing the seal, did it leak from the same place or a different one?

Hunter



> My dealer agreed to replace the seal in the rear window, but not replace
> the window. I told him that I read on this list that the old window had a
> design flaw and it was not the seal. They replaced the seal and the window
> leaked the next day at the car wash. I received a survey from Ford a
> couple weeks later regarding my last service. At the end of survey I wrote
> a paragraph about how the dealer wouldn't listen to me.
> I received a phone call from Ford shortly after and they called my dealer
> who then called me and I had a newly designed rear window installed 2 days
> later. The same guy that wouldn't believe me regarding the design flaw
> couldn't wait to show me the difference between the two. The old one was a
> two piece design and the new one was one piece.

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:47:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Info from Ford

Hi ya all,

I just found something on the Net that might interest Ford owners, according to Ford
this will strengthen Ford's customer relationships.....
Check it out....


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20000223S0006

Hunter.


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From: George Rigney wsnelson.com>
Subject: Side mirror
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:54:04 -0600

Dear Fellow Ford Enthusiasts,

I broke the glass in the driver's side mirror on my wife's 99 F250 Super
Duty. We have the power mirrors, but they are not the trailer-tow type.
Please advise me as to whether the glass can be replaced by the dealership
or if they will have to order an entire new mirror. If anyone out there has
a mirror they aren't using due to aftermarket replacement or upgrade to
trailer-tow type, please let me know how much you want for it.

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10



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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:55:17 -0600
From: Jeff Hagen he.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??

It leaked in the same exact spot after they replaced the seal in mine. The
service guy who actually installed the new window showed me the old window
when I arrived to pick up my truck. He pointed out where the old window
was leaking was the spot that the frame of the window was glued
together. He said that the new window in my truck was one complete
piece. No leaks since. Good luck.

- Jeff


So I have an appointment set for next Wed. to change the seal...

>Jeff, after replacing the seal, did it leak from the same place or a
>different one?
>
>Hunter



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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:28:19 -0600
From: Steve #1 swbell.net>
Subject: Re: rear view glass

Hunter wrote:

> I talked to him today, and he said if I can get him a TSP # that he will be happy to do
> it.
> I sent an E-mail to FORD, and I'll share with you the response. If I get any.....
>
> Hunter.
>

Is your truck under warranty? If so, then they shouldn't need a TSB to replace the glass.
They should check to see if it leaks, then get with a glass company to REPLACE the window.
There is a redesigned window that is supposed to be more leak resistant (not that it worked
for me). I'm on my second rear glass and have an appointment next week to get it replaced.

--
Steve #1

'99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT 4.6
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4 < FOR SALE >

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When you come to a fork in the road...
Go straight.



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From: "Duke" bloodog.com>
Subject: Supercharger recommendation
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:30:42 -0800

I'm starting to seriously consider getting a supercharger for my 2000 F-150
SC Lariat, but would like to hear what anyone who's got a supercharger
thinks about what is currently available. I'm looking for one that has
"full time" torque (mostly at the low end), sounds nice but is not
obnoxious, and still gets up and goes on the open road.

- What brand/model do you recommend?
- Do you know if adding one instantly voids your warranty?
- Are they easy to install yourself, or is it a shop job?
- If you got one, would you do it again, or try something else?

Thanks!
Duke
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bloodog.com/

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:08:09 -0500
From: Dean Baruffi yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Supercharger recommendation

Duke,
Last months "Truck'in" mag had an install of a blower on a 1999 F-150 4x2
with the 5.4L. The blower sits under the big gap ford put between the
intake manifold and the block. The kit comes with a new intake manifold
and the blower, etc.. I don't remember the vendor's name but I will look
it up. This looks very factory but requires you to remove the intake
manifold which could be time consuming.

This month Tuck'in shows a blower going into a 2000 Excursion V10. It is a
very pretty design and looks rather easy to install. It uses the stock
intake and puts the blower inbetween the intake manifold and the throttle
body.

-Dean


At 11:30 AM 02/24/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm starting to seriously consider getting a supercharger for my 2000 F-150
>SC Lariat, but would like to hear what anyone who's got a supercharger
>thinks about what is currently available. I'm looking for one that has
>"full time" torque (mostly at the low end), sounds nice but is not
>obnoxious, and still gets up and goes on the open road.
>
>- What brand/model do you recommend?
>- Do you know if adding one instantly voids your warranty?
>- Are they easy to install yourself, or is it a shop job?
>- If you got one, would you do it again, or try something else?
>
>Thanks!
>Duke
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:16:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: rear view glass

Yeap,
It's still under warranty, that's why he is going to change the seal only. The problem
is after 3000 miles my warranty is over. Oh well, I'll go on Wed. and see if that will
work. If it didn't, I'll just call Ford again.

Hunter

> Is your truck under warranty? If so, then they shouldn't need a TSB to replace the
> glass.
> They should check to see if it leaks, then get with a glass company to REPLACE the
> window.
> There is a redesigned window that is supposed to be more leak resistant (not that it
> worked
> for me). I'm on my second rear glass and have an appointment next week to get it
> replaced.
>
> --
> Steve #1

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From: jmann living.com
Subject: Re: Supercharger recommendation
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:57:19 -0600

"whipple-charger" That's all, nothing else!

Really though, I had asked this exact question back on October 16th. The
research and results bore out two things, one a whipple produces the best
and most costent boost of the largest range of RPMs and it's going to be you
most expensive option. As for Ford SVT devision, they use Eaton
Superchargers (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://automotive.eaton.com/) on the Ford Lighting.

Here's a great email I received form "Greg Carter":

"Mostly it is the rpm range that they make FULL boost. Centrifugal (Paxton,
Vortex..) won't make full boost till higher rpm, where as roots (the
Lightning's blower) will do it sooner, and even better is a whipplecharger.
For around town driving you want low rpm boost.

Order the Kenne Bell catalogue, no web page, 909-941-6646, the only maker of
the whipplecharger. While I don't particularly like the organization of the
info (scattered throughout) in the book and accompanying flyers it does have
a lot of useful information. However it must be read like any other
marketing pamphlet. It even contradicts itself in places, stating that the
4.6 and 5.4 don't require aftermarket exhaust because the factory is already
optimized (which I would believe), however it came with an added flyer
selling their own exhaust for these engines. Also misleading is their info
on Intercoolers, mostly because it would be damn near impossible to fit an
intercooler to a roots/whipplecharger, well at least with their design...

However it does give some good info on superchargers in general, and the
results are impressive:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1273/garage/garage.html (on a
Mustang)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.arrowweb.net/casey/cDrag_nf.shtml (351w Ford F150 4x4)

Bye.

Greg Carter
Entrust Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.entrust.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/buildup/dana60.html
"

-----Original Message-----
From: Duke [mailto:duke bloodog.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:31 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Supercharger recommendation

I'm starting to seriously consider getting a supercharger for my 2000 F-150
SC Lariat, but would like to hear what anyone who's got a supercharger
thinks about what is currently available. I'm looking for one that has
"full time" torque (mostly at the low end), sounds nice but is not
obnoxious, and still gets up and goes on the open road.

- What brand/model do you recommend?
- Do you know if adding one instantly voids your warranty?
- Are they easy to install yourself, or is it a shop job?
- If you got one, would you do it again, or try something else?

Thanks!
Duke
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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:42:29 EST
Subject: Re: Supercharger recommendation


- What brand/model do you recommend?

Vortech S trim, Paxton Novi 2000. i dont think ATI makes a kit yet...

- Do you know if adding one instantly voids your warranty?
Usually if something happens it has to be because of the s/c , check out
sema.org
- Are they easy to install yourself, or is it a shop job?
If you are pretty confident with you ability takes about a day to install if
your new at it.
- If you got one, would you do it again, or try something else?

I have had every type (except ATI, they seem to be a fine unit though) on one
car or another going from 6psi-25psi, its all in how fast you spin impeller
and how much temp you have on the inlet temp that makes the difference. I
have grenaded 2 so far , but i would lean toward a vortech or paxton for your
appilcation on the truck. They have the most complete kits.

ask me any question you might have on s/c's i have quite a bit of experience
in power adder EFI race systems.

Later
Ross S

Thanks!
Duke
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From: jmann living.com
Subject: Re: Supercharger recommendation
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:50:25 -0600

Ross,

Have any of your applications ever been on trucks, where the power and
torque are both generated and needed at low RPMs (1500-2500)? It's my
understanding that centrifugal blowers like the Vortech, produce their power
at RPMs over 4000. The 5.4 Triton produces its 350 ft-lbs. of torque at 2500
RPMs.



-----Original Message-----
From: RSnovi aol.com [mailto:RSnovi aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 4:42 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Supercharger recommendation


- What brand/model do you recommend?

Vortech S trim, Paxton Novi 2000. i dont think ATI makes a kit yet...

- Do you know if adding one instantly voids your warranty?
Usually if something happens it has to be because of the s/c , check out
sema.org
- Are they easy to install yourself, or is it a shop job?
If you are pretty confident with you ability takes about a day to install if

your new at it.
- If you got one, would you do it again, or try something else?

I have had every type (except ATI, they seem to be a fine unit though) on
one
car or another going from 6psi-25psi, its all in how fast you spin impeller
and how much temp you have on the inlet temp that makes the difference. I
have grenaded 2 so far , but i would lean toward a vortech or paxton for
your
appilcation on the truck. They have the most complete kits.

ask me any question you might have on s/c's i have quite a bit of experience

in power adder EFI race systems.

Later
Ross S

Thanks!
Duke
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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:54:34 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 7:36 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??


> Well, I went back to the 2nd dealer and told him to look at the book and
he still
> insists on not touching it. So I called Ford and after 1/2 an hour on the
phone they
> told me to go back to the 1st dealer and let him change the seal. If this
is didn't
> fix the problem to call them back and they will change the whole window.
They gave me
> some kind of a reference # and told me even if the truck was out of
warranty to still
> call them.
> So I have an appointment set for next Wed. to change the seal...
>
> Jeff, after replacing the seal, did it leak from the same place or a
different one?
>
> Hunter
>
Hi Hunter,

When my window leaked the first time, it was on the top passenger side,
leaked all over my son sitting there and that's how I discovered it. Dealer
resealed it and within a few months, it started leaking on the driver's side
but still on the top. That's when I found out that they had a design flaw
and resealing doesn't hold up. So the second time my dealer installed a....


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