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97up-list Digest Tue, 18 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 122

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Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
ADMIN: 2001 Ford Lightning
99 Econo Club Wagon Trailer Wiring
PSD Boost

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:29:08 -0700
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity

I have a 99 F350 4x4 Supercab shortbed and PSD SRW. I haul a Lance 820
(8' 10"). I have the stock Firestone AT tires. I've added Rancho 9000's and
air lift bags in the rear. Fully loaded and wet I weigh in over 10,000 lbs.

I also have a friend with a 99.5 CC short bed 4x4 PSD, that hauls a Lance 820.
He runs 295/75/16 Goodrich AT, on Weld 16x8's and runs dual rancho 9000's
front and singles in the rear. (he's just a bit taller than I am, and heavier).

I'd be hesitant to lift it, but 2 - 2.5 " would be max.

In my setup, the stock shocks would not control body roll. Air bags brought the
truck back to stock height (rear end high rake). Rancho 9000's were required for

body roll control.

In the current form, the handling is excellent for a top-heavy 10,000 lb truck.
I can take freeway exits at just over rated speeds with ease.

The biggest challenge when I drive the beast is gusty cross-winds when I'm
doing 65 mph. They can caused me to drop down to 55 mph or lower to stay
straight.

Some issues that would need to be addressed before I would lift it
(not considering a suspension lift, but am going to do taller tires)
- Air bag brackets work on a 2 - 2.5" lift?
- Spring sag longevity at GVWR?
- Ride quality to deal with GVWR, lift and longevity?
- handling issues with taller center of gravity.
(compensated by DRW setup or slower speeds)

Tire/shock settings with the camper on:
80 - 82 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
Front shock setting 4-5 depending on road/weather
Rear shock setting 5.

Tire/shock settings with the camper off:
65-70 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
Front shock setting 3
Rear shock setting 2

Now on 97 and older F350 trucks, I've seen up to 2.5 - 3" lifts and
say 33 - 35" tires. But overall, due to many factors, the stock
truck/camper combinations are about 4" lower than my stock
setup on the 99 truck. (truck height, cab height, overall camper height)

The 97 trucks, in general ride rougher, so the ride quality may not be
as noticable, when lifting.

The only question I would have below, is what Lance camper does he haul?
The lance lites are a lot lighter depending on the model. Variations can be as
high as 500-700 lbs depending on options (AC, generators, insulation,
electric jacks etc...)

Since it's on a F250, I'd suspect lighter, but I've seen some real mis-matched
camper/truck setups. Good thing they were parked, and not moving :-).


-john

David & Laura Manuel wrote:

> My brother-in-law has a '99 SD F250 crewcab 4x4 powerstroke and he
> replaced the springs, front and rear, with National Springs that give
> him a 4" lift. He hauls a Lance camper on many trips to the desert and
> the river. He doesn't seem to have any problems with handling. I have
> been behind him when we have experienced some heavy winds on the
> highway, and he seems to take it all in stride. I think the most
> difficult part of the lift is getting the camper on and off. Hope this
> helps.
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From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:58:20 4
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity


Found this on the Ford Diesel page:

Instead of getting a lift kit, buy the front
leaf packs for the F450/550 front end.
It apparently brings the front up 2"
rides good and they fit the F250 and 350.
Plus ups your load rating for the front.
And they are cheaper than a lift.

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
Bunch of goodies....







< Lance 820 (8' 10"). I have the stock Firestone AT tires. I've
added Rancho 9000's and air lift bags in the rear. Fully loaded
and wet I weigh in over 10,000 lbs.

I also have a friend with a 99.5 CC short bed 4x4 PSD, that
hauls a Lance 820. He runs 295/75/16 Goodrich AT, on Weld 16x8's
and runs dual rancho 9000's front and singles in the rear. (he's
just a bit taller than I am, and heavier).

I'd be hesitant to lift it, but 2 - 2.5 " would be max.

In my setup, the stock shocks would not control body roll. Air
bags brought the truck back to stock height (rear end high
rake). Rancho 9000's were required for

body roll control.

In the current form, the handling is excellent for a top-heavy
10,000 lb truck. I can take freeway exits at just over rated
speeds with ease.

The biggest challenge when I drive the beast is gusty
cross-winds when I'm doing 65 mph. They can caused me to drop
down to 55 mph or lower to stay straight.

Some issues that would need to be addressed before I would lift
it (not considering a suspension lift, but am going to do taller
tires) - Air bag brackets work on a 2 - 2.5" lift? - Spring sag
longevity at GVWR? - Ride quality to deal with GVWR, lift and
longevity? - handling issues with taller center of gravity.
(compensated by DRW setup or slower speeds)

Tire/shock settings with the camper on:
80 - 82 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
Front shock setting 4-5 depending on road/weather
Rear shock setting 5.

Tire/shock settings with the camper off:
65-70 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
Front shock setting 3
Rear shock setting 2

Now on 97 and older F350 trucks, I've seen up to 2.5 - 3" lifts
and say 33 - 35" tires. But overall, due to many factors, the
stock truck/camper combinations are about 4" lower than my
stock setup on the 99 truck. (truck height, cab height, overall
camper height)

The 97 trucks, in general ride rougher, so the ride quality may
not be as noticable, when lifting.

The only question I would have below, is what Lance camper does
he haul? The lance lites are a lot lighter depending on the
model. Variations can be as high as 500-700 lbs depending on
options (AC, generators, insulation, electric jacks etc...)

Since it's on a F250, I'd suspect lighter, but I've seen some
real mis-matched camper/truck setups. Good thing they were
parked, and not moving :-).


-john

David & Laura Manuel wrote:

> My brother-in-law has a '99 SD F250 crewcab 4x4 powerstroke
> and he replaced the springs, front and rear, with National
> Springs that give him a 4" lift. He hauls a Lance camper on
> many trips to the desert and the river. He doesn't seem to
> have any problems with handling. I have been behind him when
> we have experienced some heavy winds on the highway, and he
> seems to take it all in stride. I think the most difficult
> part of the lift is getting the camper on and off. Hope this
> helps.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:42:04 -0400
From: Alan Schrager gemair.com>
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity

Yep but what to do about shaft angle?
Alan

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Found this on the Ford Diesel page:
>
> Instead of getting a lift kit, buy the front
> leaf packs for the F450/550 front end.
> It apparently brings the front up 2"
> rides good and they fit the F250 and 350.
> Plus ups your load rating for the front.
> And they are cheaper than a lift.
>
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> Bunch of goodies....
>
>
>
>
>
> < > Lance 820 (8' 10"). I have the stock Firestone AT tires. I've
> added Rancho 9000's and air lift bags in the rear. Fully loaded
> and wet I weigh in over 10,000 lbs.
>
> I also have a friend with a 99.5 CC short bed 4x4 PSD, that
> hauls a Lance 820. He runs 295/75/16 Goodrich AT, on Weld 16x8's
> and runs dual rancho 9000's front and singles in the rear. (he's
> just a bit taller than I am, and heavier).
>
> I'd be hesitant to lift it, but 2 - 2.5 " would be max.
>
> In my setup, the stock shocks would not control body roll. Air
> bags brought the truck back to stock height (rear end high
> rake). Rancho 9000's were required for
>
> body roll control.
>
> In the current form, the handling is excellent for a top-heavy
> 10,000 lb truck. I can take freeway exits at just over rated
> speeds with ease.
>
> The biggest challenge when I drive the beast is gusty
> cross-winds when I'm doing 65 mph. They can caused me to drop
> down to 55 mph or lower to stay straight.
>
> Some issues that would need to be addressed before I would lift
> it (not considering a suspension lift, but am going to do taller
> tires) - Air bag brackets work on a 2 - 2.5" lift? - Spring sag
> longevity at GVWR? - Ride quality to deal with GVWR, lift and
> longevity? - handling issues with taller center of gravity.
> (compensated by DRW setup or slower speeds)
>
> Tire/shock settings with the camper on:
> 80 - 82 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
> Front shock setting 4-5 depending on road/weather
> Rear shock setting 5.
>
> Tire/shock settings with the camper off:
> 65-70 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
> Front shock setting 3
> Rear shock setting 2
>
> Now on 97 and older F350 trucks, I've seen up to 2.5 - 3" lifts
> and say 33 - 35" tires. But overall, due to many factors, the
> stock truck/camper combinations are about 4" lower than my
> stock setup on the 99 truck. (truck height, cab height, overall
> camper height)
>
> The 97 trucks, in general ride rougher, so the ride quality may
> not be as noticable, when lifting.
>
> The only question I would have below, is what Lance camper does
> he haul? The lance lites are a lot lighter depending on the
> model. Variations can be as high as 500-700 lbs depending on
> options (AC, generators, insulation, electric jacks etc...)
>
> Since it's on a F250, I'd suspect lighter, but I've seen some
> real mis-matched camper/truck setups. Good thing they were
> parked, and not moving :-).
>
> -john
>
> David & Laura Manuel wrote:
>
> > My brother-in-law has a '99 SD F250 crewcab 4x4 powerstroke
> > and he replaced the springs, front and rear, with National
> > Springs that give him a 4" lift. He hauls a Lance camper on
> > many trips to the desert and the river. He doesn't seem to
> > have any problems with handling. I have been behind him when
> > we have experienced some heavy winds on the highway, and he
> > seems to take it all in stride. I think the most difficult
> > part of the lift is getting the camper on and off. Hope this
> > helps.
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From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:45:21 4
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity


Its no different than using a lift kit.
Vaughn



Alan

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Found this on the Ford Diesel page:
>
> Instead of getting a lift kit, buy the front
> leaf packs for the F450/550 front end.
> It apparently brings the front up 2"
> rides good and they fit the F250 and 350.
> Plus ups your load rating for the front.
> And they are cheaper than a lift.
>
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> Bunch of goodies....
>
>
>
>
>
> < > Lance 820 (8' 10"). I have the stock Firestone AT tires. I've
> added Rancho 9000's and air lift bags in the rear. Fully
> loaded and wet I weigh in over 10,000 lbs.
>
> I also have a friend with a 99.5 CC short bed 4x4 PSD, that
> hauls a Lance 820. He runs 295/75/16 Goodrich AT, on Weld
> 16x8's and runs dual rancho 9000's front and singles in the
> rear. (he's just a bit taller than I am, and heavier).
>
> I'd be hesitant to lift it, but 2 - 2.5 " would be max.
>
> In my setup, the stock shocks would not control body roll. Air
> bags brought the truck back to stock height (rear end high
> rake). Rancho 9000's were required for
>
> body roll control.
>
> In the current form, the handling is excellent for a top-heavy
> 10,000 lb truck. I can take freeway exits at just over rated
> speeds with ease.
>
> The biggest challenge when I drive the beast is gusty
> cross-winds when I'm doing 65 mph. They can caused me to drop
> down to 55 mph or lower to stay straight.
>
> Some issues that would need to be addressed before I would
> lift it (not considering a suspension lift, but am going to do
> taller tires) - Air bag brackets work on a 2 - 2.5" lift? -
> Spring sag longevity at GVWR? - Ride quality to deal with
> GVWR, lift and longevity? - handling issues with taller center
> of gravity.
> (compensated by DRW setup or slower speeds)
>
> Tire/shock settings with the camper on:
> 80 - 82 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
> Front shock setting 4-5 depending on road/weather
> Rear shock setting 5.
>
> Tire/shock settings with the camper off:
> 65-70 lbs tire pressure (80 max)
> Front shock setting 3
> Rear shock setting 2
>
> Now on 97 and older F350 trucks, I've seen up to 2.5 - 3"
> lifts and say 33 - 35" tires. But overall, due to many
> factors, the stock truck/camper combinations are about 4"
> lower than my stock setup on the 99 truck. (truck height, cab
> height, overall camper height)
>
> The 97 trucks, in general ride rougher, so the ride quality
> may not be as noticable, when lifting.
>
> The only question I would have below, is what Lance camper
> does he haul? The lance lites are a lot lighter depending on
> the model. Variations can be as high as 500-700 lbs depending
> on options (AC, generators, insulation, electric jacks etc...)
>
> Since it's on a F250, I'd suspect lighter, but I've seen some
> real mis-matched camper/truck setups. Good thing they were
> parked, and not moving :-).
>
> -john
>
> David & Laura Manuel wrote:
>
> > My brother-in-law has a '99 SD F250 crewcab 4x4 powerstroke
> > and he replaced the springs, front and rear, with National
> > Springs that give him a 4" lift. He hauls a Lance camper on
> > many trips to the desert and the river. He doesn't seem to
> > have any problems with handling. I have been behind him
> > when we have experienced some heavy winds on the highway,
> > and he seems to take it all in stride. I think the most
> > difficult part of the lift is getting the camper on and off.
> > Hope this helps.
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From: RSnoviaol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:45:14 EDT
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity

In a message dated 7/18/00 8:13:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lambogemair.com
writes:

unoticeable , non-issue from my install p.o.v.

RS


<<
Yep but what to do about shaft angle?
Alan

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Found this on the Ford Diesel page:
>
> Instead of getting a lift kit, buy the front
> leaf packs for the F450/550 front end.
> It apparently brings the front up 2"
> rides good and they fit the F250 and 350.
> Plus ups your load rating for the front.
> And they are cheaper than a lift.
>
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> Bunch of goodies....
>
> >>

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:53:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 2001 Ford Lightning

An artist rendition of the 2001 Ford Lightning, supplied by
Ford Motor Company, can be found in the news section of the
web site. I've also included a high resolution version
suitable for printing.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com



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From: "mister G" hotmail.com>
Subject: 99 Econo Club Wagon Trailer Wiring
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:57:47 PDT

I'm having fits with my 99 Econoline Club Wagon. This is the second time
the trailer wiring has malfunctioned. This time the trailer wiring works
but at reduced voltage, too low to be effective. If I connect a DVM to the
trailer jack at the hitch I see that the circuits work but are at 8.2 volts
instead of the usual 12-14volts. Probing in the power distribution box
under the hood shows that all of the circuits for everything but the trailer
are at normal voltage but the trailer circuits are 8.2v. I even pulled the
large 30amp trailer relay fuse and it is being supplied with only 8.2 volts.
I'm prepared to buy a wiring diagram to see how this beast is wired and to
see what is upstream of the trailer fuse and relays that could possibly
cause such a voltage drop, but I thought I would pass it by the good folks
on this list to see if anyone has any clues for me. Please CC
geee_manhotmail.com with any helpful notes.

thanx,
- G
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:09:19 -0700
Subject: Re: levelling kit and center of gravity
From: Dave Santo home.com>

Five "unsubscribe" headers. Hmmmmm. Must be some kinda record. :-)


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From: "Pete Calabrese" banet.net>
Subject: PSD Boost
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:23:18 -0400

I thought it was someone on this list, but I can't remember...so I apologize
if it wasn't...

They wanted to know how much boost I was making with the installation of the
Superchip in the 2000 F350 CC Lariat LE PSD. Well little by little I am
getting my gauges finished and the kit to install the boost gauge showed up
yesterday and I installed it.

70mph, WOT up hill I measured 24psi in 3rd gear. First gear peaked at
22psi, second at 23psi and third was 24psi. I had to lift for a turn in the
road.....
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493RWHP/582RWTQ Griggs, Wilwood, NOS : 11.64121.53 A few years back...
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