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97up-list Digest Sun, 20 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 011

In This Issue:
ADMIN: Pictorial updated
Leaking Rear Window OR??
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Re: tire and wheel balance
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Re: tire and wheel balance
Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial updated

The pictorial has been updated. Photos sent in from November
15th through Feb 15th have been added. If you didn't get an
email saying yours has been added, then it hasn't so please
don't email me about it as I'm been absolutely swamped with
work.

I just have to get away from computer as I've been working on
the web site, ftp and email for 3 and a half weeks and I just
can't take it anymore.

As it stands, 54 trucks have been added to pictorial. Enjoy!

Ken Payne
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From: "Dave Shaffer" iquest.net>
Subject: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:45:31 -0500

Hello List,
I just found a problem after it rained about 2 inches on Friday. I have a
'97 F-150 XLT Extended Cab. Bought this just over 3 months ago and this is
the first I have noticed this. After setting out in the parking lot at
work all day in the rain, I noticed water dripping just above the rear
sliding window. It seemed to come from/though the roof onto the headliner
just above the rear window. It dripped down the seatback of the rear seat
on to the rear seat cushion and then the carpet. Needless to say my
thoughts went back to all the past postings about the rear window leaking
which I have not kept. Could it be that? Or is it possibly coming from
the grey molding which runs the complete width of the back of the cab that
also has the high mount stop light in it? The seal looks good and tight to
me. Got any suggestions or help? This truck is still in warranty (only
have 27K on it) so I will be paying a visit to my dealer but any help for
you listers would be appreciated before I go!

Thanks,
Dave Shaffer

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:11:22 -0600
From: "Carlos Rigdon" spitfire.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??

Time for a new rear window. But don't feel bad I have a friend that is a salesman at
a dealership. And he told me that 75% of the 97,98 had to be replaced, Mine had 9800
miles leaked like a sieve

Dave Shaffer wrote:

> Hello List,
> I just found a problem after it rained about 2 inches on Friday. I have a
> '97 F-150 XLT Extended Cab. Bought this just over 3 months ago and this is
> the first I have noticed this. After setting out in the parking lot at
> work all day in the rain, I noticed water dripping just above the rear
> sliding window. It seemed to come from/though the roof onto the headliner
> just above the rear window. It dripped down the seatback of the rear seat
> on to the rear seat cushion and then the carpet. Needless to say my
> thoughts went back to all the past postings about the rear window leaking
> which I have not kept. Could it be that? Or is it possibly coming from
> the grey molding which runs the complete width of the back of the cab that
> also has the high mount stop light in it? The seal looks good and tight to
> me. Got any suggestions or help? This truck is still in warranty (only
> have 27K on it) so I will be paying a visit to my dealer but any help for
> you listers would be appreciated before I go!
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Shaffer
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From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: Re: tire and wheel balance
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 05:56:01 -0800

Concerning #3, make sure you got one, I just learned that if don't have a
heavy duty suspension option, or the off road package you don't get a
steering stabilizer.
dc

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren [mailto:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 3:57 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: tire and wheel balance


1. Let some air out of the tires (8 pounds or so) and see if it still
happens.
2. Try new extra heavy-duty shocks (or double shocks).
3. get a better tie-rod shock dampener.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Werner" werner.org>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: [97up-list] tire and wheel balance


>
> When I bought my F350 CC new in October, the dealer had added oversized
> tires (Goodyear Wrangler AT/S, 30575R16) on the stock Lariat rims. They
look
> like they fit the rims fine- there's no crowning as is evident on tires
that
> have been mounted on rims which are smaller than ideal. The problem is
that
> they bounce real noticeably between 40-45 (you can feel the bounce in the
> seat- so it's not a front end shimmy). I had the service dept (a
> full-service "Ford Store") balance them twice, with no improvement. The
> second time they basically told me that because they were oversized they'd
> have that tendency, and plus being a long wheelbase truck I would notice
any
> bounce moreso than on a standard vehicle. I say BS to both. A longer
> wheelbase will decrease the noticeability of any bumpiness in the ride-
it's
> short wheelbase vehicles which are choppier riding. I've also had oversize
> tires before and that in and of itself is not a good justification for the
> bounce. My hunch is that either all or one of the tires are bad, or they
do
> not balance them properly. I know tires can be "bad" because I once bought
a
> set of four, and they ended up replacing two of them because they could
not
> get them balanced on the rims. I've also heard tell that the only way to
get
> a true balance is to balance them while they're still on the truck.
>
> Anyone else have these tires and have any problems?
>
> Kirk
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From: "Rivera, Max" compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:05:18 -0800

I dont have a rear window leak, but after taking my 97 xl to the car wash i
just found a front wind sheild leak. It is leaking on top, right in the
center. Of course the truck is out of warranty and will have to fix myself,
any hints on repair.

thanks



Maximo Rivera



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Rigdon [mailto:carlosr spitfire.net]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:11 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??


Time for a new rear window. But don't feel bad I have a friend that is a
salesman at
a dealership. And he told me that 75% of the 97,98 had to be replaced, Mine
had 9800
miles leaked like a sieve

Dave Shaffer wrote:

> Hello List,
> I just found a problem after it rained about 2 inches on Friday.
I have a
> '97 F-150 XLT Extended Cab. Bought this just over 3 months ago and this
is
> the first I have noticed this. After setting out in the parking lot at
> work all day in the rain, I noticed water dripping just above the rear
> sliding window. It seemed to come from/though the roof onto the headliner
> just above the rear window. It dripped down the seatback of the rear seat
> on to the rear seat cushion and then the carpet. Needless to say my
> thoughts went back to all the past postings about the rear window leaking
> which I have not kept. Could it be that? Or is it possibly coming from
> the grey molding which runs the complete width of the back of the cab that
> also has the high mount stop light in it? The seal looks good and tight
to
> me. Got any suggestions or help? This truck is still in warranty (only
> have 27K on it) so I will be paying a visit to my dealer but any help for
> you listers would be appreciated before I go!
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Shaffer
> ==========================================================
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:16:44 -0800
From: Kent Tombs home.com>
Subject: Re: tire and wheel balance

I have the same size tire on the stock XLT rims and they ride nice and
smooth, I did install dual steering stabilizers myself but this was
mainly for snow driving . There should be no problems with that size
tire in your application.

"Craig, Dennis" wrote:
>
> Concerning #3, make sure you got one, I just learned that if don't have a
> heavy duty suspension option, or the off road package you don't get a
> steering stabilizer.
> dc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Veren [mailto:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 3:57 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: tire and wheel balance
>
> 1. Let some air out of the tires (8 pounds or so) and see if it still
> happens.
> 2. Try new extra heavy-duty shocks (or double shocks).
> 3. get a better tie-rod shock dampener.
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Werner" werner.org>
> To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:54 PM
> Subject: [97up-list] tire and wheel balance
>
> >
> > When I bought my F350 CC new in October, the dealer had added oversized
> > tires (Goodyear Wrangler AT/S, 30575R16) on the stock Lariat rims. They
> look
> > like they fit the rims fine- there's no crowning as is evident on tires
> that
> > have been mounted on rims which are smaller than ideal. The problem is
> that
> > they bounce real noticeably between 40-45 (you can feel the bounce in the
> > seat- so it's not a front end shimmy). I had the service dept (a
> > full-service "Ford Store") balance them twice, with no improvement. The
> > second time they basically told me that because they were oversized they'd
> > have that tendency, and plus being a long wheelbase truck I would notice
> any
> > bounce moreso than on a standard vehicle. I say BS to both. A longer
> > wheelbase will decrease the noticeability of any bumpiness in the ride-
> it's
> > short wheelbase vehicles which are choppier riding. I've also had oversize
> > tires before and that in and of itself is not a good justification for the
> > bounce. My hunch is that either all or one of the tires are bad, or they
> do
> > not balance them properly. I know tires can be "bad" because I once bought
> a
> > set of four, and they ended up replacing two of them because they could
> not
> > get them balanced on the rims. I've also heard tell that the only way to
> get
> > a true balance is to balance them while they're still on the truck.
> >
> > Anyone else have these tires and have any problems?
> >
> > Kirk
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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:50:43 -0800

Drop by one of those glass-repair / windshield replacement shops, be
freindly, and ask for thier advice. Hell, they might just fix it for
nothing or next to nothing right there on the spot. That's all they do all
day, windshields, side windows, rear windows, etc.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rivera, Max" compaq.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:05 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??


> I dont have a rear window leak, but after taking my 97 xl to the car wash
i
> just found a front wind sheild leak. It is leaking on top, right in the
> center. Of course the truck is out of warranty and will have to fix
myself,
> any hints on repair.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Maximo Rivera
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Rigdon [mailto:carlosr spitfire.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:11 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Leaking Rear Window OR??
>
>
> Time for a new rear window. But don't feel bad I have a friend that is a
> salesman at
> a dealership. And he told me that 75% of the 97,98 had to be replaced,
Mine
> had 9800
> miles leaked like a sieve
>
> Dave Shaffer wrote:
>
> > Hello List,
> > I just found a problem after it rained about 2 inches on Friday.
> I have a
> > '97 F-150 XLT Extended Cab. Bought this just over 3 months ago and this
> is
> > the first I have noticed this. After setting out in the parking lot at
> > work all day in the rain, I noticed water dripping just above the rear
> > sliding window. It seemed to come from/though the roof onto the
headliner
> > just above the rear window. It dripped down the seatback of the rear
seat
> > on to the rear seat cushion and then the carpet. Needless to say my
> > thoughts went back to all the past postings about the rear window
leaking
> > which I have not kept. Could it be that? Or is it possibly coming from
> > the grey molding which runs the complete width of the back of the cab
that
> > also has the high mount stop light in it? The seal looks good and tight
> to
> > me. Got any suggestions or help? This truck is still in warranty (only
> > have 27K on it) so I will be paying a visit to my dealer but any help
for
> > you listers would be appreciated before I go!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave Shaffer
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> > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the body of the
> > message.
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