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Please do not repost, forward or otherwise publish messages contained in these archives without consent from the respective author(s). These archives may not, in whole or part, be stored on any public retrieval system (FTP, web, gopher, newsgroup, etc.) by individuals or companies, without consent of the respective authors. Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 97up-list); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 97up-list digest users Reply-to: 97up-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 97up-list Digest V2000 #109 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1997 and Newer Truck Mailing List(Use the Small Chassis List for Rangers, Explorers, Aerostars and Bronco IIs. Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Mon, 26 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 109 In This Issue: 97 Explorer Window Motor Re: Idiot Gauge Re: Idiot Gauge Re: ADMIN: How have they been? Re: 4X4 Useless (Weekend Story) Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) Re: ADMIN: How have they been? Looking for advice Re: V-10 Performance Tips Re: Looking for advice Idiot Gauge Newbie needs advice Re: V-10 Performance Tips Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) Re: V-10 Performance Tips Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) Problem with SuperDuty Clutch Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bobby Herring" Subject: 97 Explorer Window Motor Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:02:56 -0500 I have a 97 Explorer XLT with power windows and the one on the front passenger side has decided to stop working. I pulled the inside panel off and looked around but can't see any way to get the motor out. I removed a nut and one bolt but it still seemed to be very solid. There are two bolts that look like they are attached to the motor and I loosened these but still no luck. What is the trick to getting it out? Any chance of a loose wire? It wouldn't work from the passenger door controls about a week ago. I tried the driver side control and it started working from both controls. That was ok for a week and then it did it again. This time, it won't work from either control. No noise or grinding. Just the clicking of the switch. Any help or pointers to a web site with diagrams would be greatly appreciated. Bobby Herring 98 Explorer XLT 93 Ranger XLT SC 72 F100 short/wide 64 F100 short/wide (for sale, cheap!) I'm 40 miles west of Waco, Tx ------------------------------ From: "neal hamilton" Subject: Re: Idiot Gauge Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:46:43 -0700 Ford started this years ago. I think the last Ford I had with a real oil pressure guage was a 1973 Bronco. To many people don't understand the oil pressure thing. Cold oil and rpm will give you max pressure. Hot oil, idle will result in low pressure. The latter resulted in millions of people bringing a vehicle back to the dealer for needless repairs. Also, cruising at 75 mph on the interstate, you still need some sort of warning light to warn of low pressure. Most people would not look at the guage until the funny noise under the hood was heard. I liked the real guage as it would let me know when to change oil. When my idle pressure got lower than normal, it was time for fresh oil. Most new vehicles have a shut off program if the oil pressure drops below the recommended level. I think all diesel engines have that now. So you just drive it and let the computer tell you what's up with the motor. Works for me, now I don't have to worry about the wife driving around with low oil pressure or an overheated engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: Idiot Gauge > Actually, it's probably a combination of marketing and cost. Idiot lights > have developed into a marketing "not acceptable" particularly on trucks. Not > macho enough. SO, a gage goes in. There still a mentality at the > manufacturers that says a light is good enough, a switch is cheaper than a > proportional sender so thats what gets put in. The "idiot" customer in most > cases won't know the difference, he's happy enough that there is something > that looks like a gage instead of a bulb.. > > Gee, then someone comes along a figures out that he REALLY doesn't have a > working gage, just an idiot light that LOOKS like a gage. And they the > customer has the audacity to be upset. The great manufacturer in the > midwest has decreed that a go/no go indication is sufficient, be greatful > for their wisdom. > > Seriously though, you should expect that once GM figures a way to save a buck > on production costs, Ford won't be far behind, particularly when so many of > the 150 class vehicles are being sold as daily drivers and not working > vehicles.. Any clue as to what D/C is doing on their trucks? > > JOhn G > > John G > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:46:52 -0700 From: Marv & Marge Subject: Re: Idiot Gauge I recently wrote: > Check the archives. It seems that an '87 Bronco sender, combined with jumping over > an existing 20 ohm resistor restores it to "old-time" type operation. Forget I ever said this on this forum! It may apply to one or more of the other FTE lists I read, but not here! Sorry....... -Marv- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:22:35 -0400 From: Tom Subject: Re: ADMIN: How have they been? I try not to scroll down that far..... Tom >Just wanted to check in with the list members to see >how the new ads are going over? This batch will run >for approximately 3 days. Your comments and suggestions >are welcome. > >Thanks, >Ken Payne >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > > ><><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> >Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. >Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. >For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will >make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the >inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a >better future. >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: MFAPHOTO aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:01:20 EDT Subject: Re: 4X4 Useless (Weekend Story) In a message dated 6/26/00 8:58:06 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes: << At this point a local fireman shows up in his Toyota FourRunner. I hook up nose to nose again with the jeep at a better angle and the FourRunner hooks to me tail to tail. With both trucks we managed to pull that axle buried jeep out of the mud. >> So after it was all said and done, did the guys in the Jeep say thanks or buy you any beer or anything? By the way. I'll keep this story in mind when I see people stuck in mud or snow. I thought I owned a super truck! Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:31:24 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) jmann living.com wrote:> > Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my 2000 > F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction. > Big Snip > > A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story > > Joe > > PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy! > Joe, Don't blame the truck. ;-) Mud is mud. Three wheels spinning is better than two almost any time. It sounds like it was a two truck job to pull him out. I have a winch on my 2000 F-150. That doesn't mean I could have pulled him out. I might have got stuck too. If you still have the OEM tires that came with the truck I am not surprised you got stuck in mud. Kindest regards Jean Marc Chartier ------------------------------ From: "Zinski, Steve" Subject: Re: ADMIN: How have they been? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:12:31 -0400 I stop reading when I get down that far. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ken Payne [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:19 PM To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-listford-trucks.com;80-96-list ford-trucks.com; 97up-listford-trucks.com;small-list ford-trucks.com; perf-listford-trucks.com;pre48-list ford-trucks.com; offroad-listford-trucks.comSubject: [97up-list] ADMIN: How have they been? Just wanted to check in with the list members to see how the new ads are going over? This batch will run for approximately 3 days. Your comments and suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "Frank Bures" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for advice -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings to all! I have an AZ class license though I do not drive for living any more, but I have never owned a small truck. I am now contemplating a purchase of such vehicle to tow a small-to-medium size trailer. I test drove both F150 and Chev 1500 and I can't make up my mind just on the basis of technical parameters and ride. I would appreciate it, if you could let me know, what in your opinion made YOU choose the truck you purchased over the other one. What about reliability? Any comment would do. BTW, this is not a flame bait or an attempt to start an advocacy war. I am serious. Thanks in advance Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, M5S 3H6 fbures chem.toronto.eduhttp://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://frank.chem.utoronto.ca/electronics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 OS/2 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP 5.0 for OS/2 Charset: cp850 wj8DBQE5WJ335kszaG0XLB4RArcNAJ4he9Adr8acopd94p3ktlZ0g1/FWwCg3+OA dMLMfJqbL/Y0EcfKeU87LrM= =vuzp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: JDavis1277 aol.comDate: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:47:04 EDT Subject: Re: V-10 Performance Tips IMO, bigger, better exhaust pipes & mufflers on the V-10 sounds neat but gives so little performance payback for the dollar of cost as to be virtually useless. In order of effectiveness the following do the most good, IMO: 1. Supercharger. 2. Headers. 3. Performance chip. Clearly #1 is the most costly and if you're going to do that you need to do #2 and #3 anyway. The best payback in terms of HP per dollar is probably with headers followed by the chip. I would do both, and probably will when I get my V-10. I can always to the supercharger a couple of years down the road if I really want to. Now, who makes the V-10 headers and what's the pain level ($)? Butch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:59 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: Looking for advice Frank Bures wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greetings to all! > > I have an AZ class license though I do not drive for living any more, but I > have never owned a small truck. > > I am now contemplating a purchase of such vehicle to tow a small-to-medium > size trailer. I test drove both F150 and Chev 1500 and I can't make up my > mind just on the basis of technical parameters and ride. > > I would appreciate it, if you could let me know, what in your opinion made > YOU choose the truck you purchased over the other one. What about > reliability? Any comment would do. > > BTW, this is not a flame bait or an attempt to start an advocacy war. I am > serious. > > Thanks in advance > > Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, M5S 3H6 > fbures chem.toronto.edu> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://frank.chem.utoronto.ca/electronics Frank, I lease my vehicles (business write-off) so I chose Ford because of cost. In my area, Windsor, Ont. Ford was the cheapest. As far as problems go I have had my share but so will Chev or Dodge for that matter. Putting the hype/BS aside both vehicles will get the job done. Ford is the best selling (more units sold) truck in North America so that must say something for them. Regards Jean Marc Chartier ------------------------------ From: "Scott Matus" Subject: Idiot Gauge Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:27:21 PDT I understand that the Oil pressure runs in this range from my pure analog gauge. I'm wondering if there are 2 senders or is the computer just showing a "mid-gauge" reading at all pressures? If this is the case then computer re-programming in necessary. And probably impossible to get information out of Ford. Anytime I wanted to get technical info from Ford I reach a brick wall! Scott. -------Original Message ------- From: "Rb White Associates" Subject: Re: Idiot Oil Pressure Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:06:34 -0400 I have the factory approved digital test set that hooks up to computer and the oil pressure goes from about 30lbs idle to 60 2400 so the output isok, I suspect the gage is dampened.. bw ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "James Books" Subject: Newbie needs advice Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:41:43 -0400 Hi List, I am new to the list and to customizing. I have a 1997 extended cab F-150, black with dark tinted windows. Everything is stock except the flowmaster muffler. I always wanted to have cool sounded truck and the Flowmaster makes a deep throaty purr that sounds great without being offensive. I'd like to customize the grill and the front chrome bumper. I also want to customize the tail lights, tail gate and rear bumper. I want to add a hard cover to the bed. And finally I'd like to do something with the stock rims and tires. I go off road occasionally on Florida sugar sand roads. Someone suggested I go to 10" rims saying the extra rubber would help in the sand. Any help, suggestion or ideas will be greatly appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ From: "Steve J. Hodson" Subject: Re: V-10 Performance Tips Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:31:33 -0400 Banks makes a complete exhaust system including headers that adds quite a lot of HP and torque according to their dyno traces, most of it at low rpm as well which is more effective. Pretty pricey though, I think the kits run ~ $1400. I have thought about seeing if I could just buy the headers and get a local shop to build a complete dual exhaust. This would get complicated though because you would have to retrofit with 2 catalytic converters and 2 mufflers. It might be better just to go with a single exhaust after the y pipe like Banks does it. -----Original Message----- From: JDavis1277 aol.com To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-listford-trucks.com>Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: V-10 Performance Tips >IMO, bigger, better exhaust pipes & mufflers on the V-10 sounds neat but >gives so little performance payback for the dollar of cost as to be virtually >useless. In order of effectiveness the following do the most good, IMO: > >1. Supercharger. > >2. Headers. > >3. Performance chip. > >Clearly #1 is the most costly and if you're going to do that you need to do >#2 and #3 anyway. > >The best payback in terms of HP per dollar is probably with headers followed >by the chip. I would do both, and probably will when I get my V-10. I can >always to the supercharger a couple of years down the road if I really want >to. > >Now, who makes the V-10 headers and what's the pain level ($)? > >Butch ><><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> >Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. >Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. >For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will >make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the >inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a >better future. >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: jmann living.comSubject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:01:19 -0500 What I can't figure out is how I was able to apply full power (5.4 Triton), in 4x4 low, in reverse on sand, hooked to the stuck jeep and not break loose a SINGLE TIRE!! The truck just grunted. That blows my mind. OH, and isn't the transfer case supposed to be deferential-less, in other words approximately half the power to the front and half to the back. I have a limited slip 3.55 and the only tire spinning at the time was the front left. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Marc Chartier [mailto:jmc.chartier sympatico.ca]Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:31 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.comSubject: [97up-list] Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) jmann living.com wrote:> > Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my 2000 > F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction. > Big Snip > > A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story > > Joe > > PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy! > Joe, Don't blame the truck. ;-) Mud is mud. Three wheels spinning is better than two almost any time. It sounds like it was a two truck job to pull him out. I have a winch on my 2000 F-150. That doesn't mean I could have pulled him out. I might have got stuck too. If you still have the OEM tires that came with the truck I am not surprised you got stuck in mud. Kindest regards Jean Marc Chartier <><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a better future. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ ========================================================== To unsubscribe: http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: boltnut mindspring.comDate: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:17:21 -0500 Subject: Re: V-10 Performance Tips I have looked at the exhaust kit from banks and thought it was a little pricy myself untill I looked further. Things to consider... Banks quality, Stainless Steel, Tuned headers, 5/8 or something close on the header flanges, mandrel bent tubing, it also included a K&N, and new inlet air pipe that was also mandrel bent. Complete system. I don't think you could get all this for less somewhere else. I don't have this kit but I am considering it. At 04:31 PM 6/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >Banks makes a complete exhaust system including headers that adds quite a >lot of HP and torque according to their dyno traces, most of it at low rpm >as well which is more effective. Pretty pricey though, I think the kits run >~ $1400. I have thought about seeing if I could just buy the headers and >get a local shop to build a complete dual exhaust. This would get >complicated though because you would have to retrofit with 2 catalytic >converters and 2 mufflers. It might be better just to go with a single >exhaust after the y pipe like Banks does it. >-----Original Message----- >From: JDavis1277 aol.com >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-listford-trucks.com>>Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:49 AM >Subject: [97up-list] Re: V-10 Performance Tips > > >>IMO, bigger, better exhaust pipes & mufflers on the V-10 sounds neat but >>gives so little performance payback for the dollar of cost as to be >virtually >>useless. In order of effectiveness the following do the most good, IMO: >> >>1. Supercharger. >> >>2. Headers. >> >>3. Performance chip. >> >>Clearly #1 is the most costly and if you're going to do that you need to do >>#2 and #3 anyway. >> >>The best payback in terms of HP per dollar is probably with headers >followed >>by the chip. I would do both, and probably will when I get my V-10. I can >>always to the supercharger a couple of years down the road if I really want >>to. >> >>Now, who makes the V-10 headers and what's the pain level ($)? >> >>Butch >><><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> >>Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. >>Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. >>For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will >>make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the >>inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a >>better future. >>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ >>========================================================== >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >>Please remove this footer when replying. >> > ><><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> >Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. >Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. >For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will >make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the >inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a >better future. >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: "Vaughn (VDB)" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:10:59 4 Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) <<"What I can't figure out is how I was able to apply full power (5.4 Triton), in 4x4 low, in reverse on sand, hooked to the stuck jeep and not break loose a SINGLE TIRE!! The truck just grunted. That blows my mind.">> Yeah, thats the part I can't figure either! Vaughn 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:01:12 -0500 From: Bob Wickline Subject: Problem with SuperDuty Clutch I have close to 48K miles on my '99 F350/CC/SRW/6-speed/PSD and I'm having something weird happening to the clutch. When the truck is cold the clutch seems to work fine and has plenty of travel. But when I drive for a long distance (especially towing) the clutch looses travel and sometimes preventing me from placing it in gear at stops (have to kill engine to put in gear). Anyone seen or heard of this behavior? And better yet what to do about it? I'm about due for routine maintenance and will probably have it looked at then but I would like to know what's happening beforehand. The clutch is part of the powertrain right? (warranty purposes) Thanks, Bob W. ------------------------------ From: "Rb White Associates" Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:58:28 -0400 get an ARB Air-locker, solve problem, regards bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Marc Chartier" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: [97up-list] Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story) > jmann living.com wrote:> > > > Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my 2000 > > F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction. > > > Big Snip > > > > A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story > > > > Joe > > > > PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy! > > > > Joe, > > Don't blame the truck. ;-) Mud is mud. Three wheels > spinning is better than two almost any time. It sounds > like it was a two truck job to pull him out. I have a winch > on my 2000 F-150. That doesn't mean I could have pulled him > out. I might have got stuck too. If you still have the OEM > tires that came with the truck I am not surprised you got > stuck in mud. > > Kindest regards > > Jean Marc Chartier > <><><><> Win $50,000, Sony TV's and Sony Radios! <><><><> > Simply sign up for RacingOne.com's free e-mail newsletter. > Our newsletter provides you with breaking auto-racing news. > For each person who signs up for the free newsletter, we will > make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the > inside story on breaking auto-racing news and children get a > better future. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://opt-influence.com/a/racing3/ > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ End of 97up-list Digest V2000 #109 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1997 and Newer Truck List Send posts to 97up-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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