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97up-list Digest Mon, 26 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 108

In This Issue:
Re: Idiot Gauge
Idiot Oil Pressure
Re: Idiot Gauge
Gibson Exhaust
Re: Gibson Exhaust
Re: Gibson Exhaust
Re: Gibson Exhaust
V10 performance tips?
4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
Re: V10 performance tips?
Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
Re: Idiot Oil Pressure
Re: V10 performance tips?
Re: Idiot Gauge
Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
ADMIN: How have they been?
Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)

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From: "Larry Hackler" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Idiot Gauge
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:49:51 -0400

Glen,

I also would love to find a fix that I could apply to my F150. I remember a
web page that showed how to add a pressure sender, but your suggestion of a
different gauge and a resistor would be great if it works out.

I think Ford changed the gauge for the same reason as GM, it was more cost
efficient for them to change the gauge than explain to customers why the
pressure reading varied so much.

Larry
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:54 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Idiot Gauge


>
> I don't know if this has been discussed here before, so if its repetitive,
> let me know...
> anyway:
> We've all heard of idiot lights, but I thought only GM did this. My old
> car, as many know now was a Police Package Caprice ('95). It came
equipped
> with a "real" oil pressure gauge, while the Civilian Caprice's and Impala
SS
> cars came with "bogus" oil pressure gauges. What I mean by "bogus" is
that
> the gauge is either "on" or "off," no in-between. Well, on my F250 SD
PS,
> the SAME thing happens. The gauge is either on or off..... if you haven't
> noticed, go start yours now and look. The Gauge SHOULD move up or down
> according to pressure. On ours, it just sits there...
> However, I'm hoping there is a fix. With the Civi Caprice and SS, there
> actually
> was an easy way to convert the gauge to a real working one. How? First,
> you had to change the Civilian/SS oil pressure sensor to the Police
package
> one, about $22. Then, a certain wire behind the glove box had to be
spliced
> and you
> had to add 12V with a resistor (about $1) to make sure the gauge was
> properly
> calibrated. Less resistance meant a higher pressure, higher resistance
> meant a lower pressure reading.
> My question, do the 450/550 trucks have a REAL gauge? If so, there
must
> be an
> easy fix. If not, has anyone fixed this gauge yet? Don't ask me why
Ford
> did this, but I know that Chevy did it because that at warm Idle, the oil
> pressure as almost to the "red" zone on the gauge, and they thought many
> customers would complain of low oil pressure...If anyone there knows a
fix,
> I'd like some help getting rid of this "Idiot Gauge." Thanks, Glen
>
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From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: Idiot Oil Pressure
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:23:12 PDT

Oh, yes I have the same feelings about what Ford did to us on the SD trucks.
I noticed this early on. My truck built 9-98.

I purchased the Schematic CD-Rom from Helms and traced down the circuit.
The output from the pressure switch goes directly into the computer. There
is ZERO information on the programming of the computer in any of the Ford
manuals. I would like to try different pressure senders and see of the
computer will read the variable resistance of an analog sender. Have not
done this yet. Do you want to talk ideas here?

I installed an aux gauge to do what the Dash gauge should be doing. The
factory pressure switch is mounted on top of the high pressure pump housing
on the PSD (under the Powerstroke labeled cover on front top). Sorry no
help on the V-? models.

I have 6 aux gauges inside of my truck.
- Oil Pressure
- Volt meter (Factory Dash gauge is severely dampened)
- Boost
- Hour Meter
- Engine Starts (Counts number of cycles of the starter motor)
- Pyrometer ( Mounted 6" down from turbo)

On another note I see that JC Whitney sells different gauge faces for the SD
trucks(Excursion too).

Scott.
________________________________________________________________________


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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:38:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Idiot Gauge

Actually, it's probably a combination of marketing and cost. Idiot lights
have developed into a marketing "not acceptable" particularly on trucks. Not
macho enough. SO, a gage goes in. There still a mentality at the
manufacturers that says a light is good enough, a switch is cheaper than a
proportional sender so thats what gets put in. The "idiot" customer in most
cases won't know the difference, he's happy enough that there is something
that looks like a gage instead of a bulb..

Gee, then someone comes along a figures out that he REALLY doesn't have a
working gage, just an idiot light that LOOKS like a gage. And they the
customer has the audacity to be upset. The great manufacturer in the
midwest has decreed that a go/no go indication is sufficient, be greatful
for their wisdom.

Seriously though, you should expect that once GM figures a way to save a buck
on production costs, Ford won't be far behind, particularly when so many of
the 150 class vehicles are being sold as daily drivers and not working
vehicles.. Any clue as to what D/C is doing on their trucks?

JOhn G

John G

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From: "Chris B." mediaone.net>
Subject: Gibson Exhaust
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:41:17 -0700


I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Gibson cat back exhaust systems. I'm looking at the dual outlet, side exit system for my 2000 F-150, 5.4 ex-cab. I would like that nice rumbley exhaust tone, more than the stock sound, but not annoyingly loud.
Does anyone know if Flowmaster has a cat back system for this application? Thanks for your time.

Chris


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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:52:45 -0500
From: Stan Wright hpcisp.com>
Subject: Re: Gibson Exhaust

I put the single outlet version on my F250 with a V10. It's a little louder than stock, but not loud. Nice exhaust tone. I think you'd like it.

It took a couple hours to remove the stock exhaust. That part was a pain. Putting on the Gibson system was a breeze. All the parts fit perfectly.

I put in a K&N filter with conjuntion with the Gibson exhaust, and I could tell a performace increase.

"Chris B." wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Gibson cat back exhaust systems. I'm looking at the dual outlet, side exit system for my 2000 F-150, 5.4 ex-cab. I would like that nice rumbley exhaust tone, more than the stock sound, but not annoyingly loud.
> Does anyone know if Flowmaster has a cat back system for this application? Thanks for your time.
>
> Chris
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From: jmann living.com
Subject: Re: Gibson Exhaust
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:32:20 -0500

Chris,

I have a Flowmaster 70 Series SUV Performance (three chamber) on my 2000 5.4
ex-cab 4x4. It's nice and mellow, hardly noticeable while cruising, but it
will get your attention when you punch it. I've got the single in dual out
with 3" chrome tips. But this was professionally installed by a local shop
and everything was welded front to back on the new pipe. No clamps.

If you have any questions, go to Flowmaster web site
(www.flowmastermuffler.com) and their tech support (phone numbers at the top
of the page) will have all the info you want; part numbers etc, etc.

Joe

PS: Had a 50 Series two chamber on it at first, but that thing would wake
the dead! I had it changed.



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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:41 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Gibson Exhaust


I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Gibson cat back
exhaust systems. I'm looking at the dual outlet, side exit system for my
2000 F-150, 5.4 ex-cab. I would like that nice rumbley exhaust tone, more
than the stock sound, but not annoyingly loud.
Does anyone know if Flowmaster has a cat back system for this application?
Thanks for your time.

Chris

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From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:17:56 4
Subject: Re: Gibson Exhaust



I had a Gibson dual exit on my 95 Ram 5.2
and it sounded awesome. Not too loud.
But....I have the same system on my 99 F250
SD 5.4 and its lame as hell!! I hear the stupid
swishy, pingy sound more than the exhaust note.
Plus the Gibson did not fit real well....
I'm going to Flowmaster next time.



Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 (third engine)






I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Gibson
cat back exhaust systems. I'm looking at the dual outlet, side
exit system for my 2000 F-150, 5.4 ex-cab. I would like that
nice rumbley exhaust tone, more than the stock sound, but not
annoyingly loud. Does anyone know if Flowmaster has a cat back
system for this application? Thanks for your time.

Chris

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From: boltnut mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:36:33 -0500
Subject: V10 performance tips?

I have a 99 SD, Super Cab, 4x4, Swb, V10.

Has anyone installed the Banks exhaust kit?

If so how did you like it? How much of a seat of the pants difference did
it make? If any.

What other V10 mods are avalable for improved performace, MPG, etc.....

TIA,

Bryan

------------------------------

From: jmann living.com
Subject: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:33:29 -0500

Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my 2000
F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction.

Saturday, while cruising around Lake Travis here in Austin, I noticed a Jeep
Wrangler stuck in the sand/mud a couple of feet from the waters edge. So, on
my way home I though I would play the Good Samaritan, as Texans often do,
and drive buy and see if I could help out. Well, I get on seen where a boat
of 4 guys have stopped by to help the other poor fella out. And they're back
there pushing and grunt'n and mud is flying everywhere Of course I drive up
in my big old shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55 Limited slip, 4x4, yadda,
yadda, yadda and toot my horn so as to say, here's your rescuer. Well, boy
was I full of it.

I proceed to dig out my nice shinny new tow strap from the console and jump
out of the truck like I'm invisible and can pull anybody out of anything
with my awesome F150 (I think I've watched to many damn commercials). So, I
hook us up, nose to nose. The Jeep is just slightly off parallel with the
water line on the beach, I'm at the end of the strap up the beach, away from
the water at about a 30 degree angle to the front of the jeep. I put the
truck in "4x4 Low" and proceed to back away from the jeep. The strap come
taught, the truck stops. I apply more gas. Nothing. Not even spinning tires
on my end. I eventually, and quickly get to full throttle. NOTHING!! The
jeep doesn't move and not a single tire on the truck is spinning. (did I
mention that the jeep is buried up to its hubs on the down hill side.)
Needless to say, I'm astonished! The truck just sits there grunting like
some dog trying to pull on a rope tied to the side of the house. SO, quickly
realizing I have a bad angle on the jeep I choose to reposition the nose of
the truck at a straighter angle to the jeep. OOPS!

Well, putting the truck at a straighter angle also put me closer to the
water. As I maneuvered, the left front tire, the one closest to the water,
crosses the magic mud line. Instantly, what was solid ground under my feet,
was sheer mush under the weight of the nose of the truck. The tire becomes
buried almost up to the axle in slimy clay bases mud. Immediately, all power
pours into this ONE wheel and my $35k shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55
Limited slip, 4x4, yadda, yadda, yadda becomes COMPLELY USELESS! So, now I'm
focused on getting myself unstuck. My first attempt involved applying just a
little gas. Hell, at idle the front tire would spin if it was in gear. Plan
B involved four guys sitting on the tail gate with the truck in 4x2 (the
only axle that had any traction) and slowly applying gas. Well that didn't
work either. Eventually one of the guys friends showed up with an early 80's
F250 4x2 and a huge fire hose looking tow strap (I've got to get me one of
these). With a taught line, hooked ball hitch to ball hitch, he spins his
tire on solid ground. Suddenly the guy backs up a couple feet and takes a
running start. Of course in my mind I think, OH SH_T!. So I grab the wheel
and give it the gas. BAM! I'm out of the hole. Fortunately there was enough
elasticity to not cause any damage, to me or the truck. MAN I love inertia!
But the jeep is still in the mud.

At this point a local fireman shows up in his Toyota FourRunner. I hook up
nose to nose again with the jeep at a better angle and the FourRunner hooks
to me tail to tail. With both trucks we managed to pull that axle buried
jeep out of the mud.

A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story

Joe

PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy!





------------------------------

From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:33:36 EDT
Subject: Re: V10 performance tips?

In a message dated 6/26/00 3:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
boltnut mindspring.com writes:


you are better off going with something more affordable , Banks is very high
priced kits IMHO, I would try and see if Bassani or Dynomax ultra flow , has
a kit, also i keep hearing good things about Gibson. I am diesel so i am
speaking from experience in performance market i have and my previous gas
trucks.

RS
<<
I have a 99 SD, Super Cab, 4x4, Swb, V10.

Has anyone installed the Banks exhaust kit?

If so how did you like it? How much of a seat of the pants difference did
it make? If any.

What other V10 mods are avalable for improved performace, MPG, etc.....

TIA,

Bryan >>

------------------------------

From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:41:25 EDT
Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)

In a message dated 6/26/00 5:32:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmann living.com
writes:


I know about those straps , you can ask a good friend about what it will do
to a new Z71 tailgate. Always use something in the middle to reduce the
kickback IF it breaks. I use a minimum 5 in strap on anything, firehose does
work good evidently. IMO. the older pre 96 F150 4x4's were better for off
road. Also might think about some grippy tires , if you dont have them! I
will never buy a 4x2, because in FL it always is muddy somewhere or sandy.

Also i would use 4x4 high in that situation, more wheel speed is usually
better i have found everyone always yells "Ya got it in Low" and i just nod
and wave. Especially when you have to get a run going.

RS

<<
Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my 2000
F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction.

Saturday, while cruising around Lake Travis here in Austin, I noticed a Jeep
Wrangler stuck in the sand/mud a couple of feet from the waters edge. So, on
my way home I though I would play the Good Samaritan, as Texans often do,
and drive buy and see if I could help out. Well, I get on seen where a boat
of 4 guys have stopped by to help the other poor fella out. And they're back
there pushing and grunt'n and mud is flying everywhere Of course I drive up
in my big old shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55 Limited slip, 4x4, yadda,
yadda, yadda and toot my horn so as to say, here's your rescuer. Well, boy
was I full of it.

I proceed to dig out my nice shinny new tow strap from the console and jump
out of the truck like I'm invisible and can pull anybody out of anything
with my awesome F150 (I think I've watched to many damn commercials). So, I
hook us up, nose to nose. The Jeep is just slightly off parallel with the
water line on the beach, I'm at the end of the strap up the beach, away from
the water at about a 30 degree angle to the front of the jeep. I put the
truck in "4x4 Low" and proceed to back away from the jeep. The strap come
taught, the truck stops. I apply more gas. Nothing. Not even spinning tires
on my end. I eventually, and quickly get to full throttle. NOTHING!! The
jeep doesn't move and not a single tire on the truck is spinning. (did I
mention that the jeep is buried up to its hubs on the down hill side.)
Needless to say, I'm astonished! The truck just sits there grunting like
some dog trying to pull on a rope tied to the side of the house. SO, quickly
realizing I have a bad angle on the jeep I choose to reposition the nose of
the truck at a straighter angle to the jeep. OOPS!

Well, putting the truck at a straighter angle also put me closer to the
water. As I maneuvered, the left front tire, the one closest to the water,
crosses the magic mud line. Instantly, what was solid ground under my feet,
was sheer mush under the weight of the nose of the truck. The tire becomes
buried almost up to the axle in slimy clay bases mud. Immediately, all power
pours into this ONE wheel and my $35k shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55
Limited slip, 4x4, yadda, yadda, yadda becomes COMPLELY USELESS! So, now I'm
focused on getting myself unstuck. My first attempt involved applying just a
little gas. Hell, at idle the front tire would spin if it was in gear. Plan
B involved four guys sitting on the tail gate with the truck in 4x2 (the
only axle that had any traction) and slowly applying gas. Well that didn't
work either. Eventually one of the guys friends showed up with an early 80's
F250 4x2 and a huge fire hose looking tow strap (I've got to get me one of
these). With a taught line, hooked ball hitch to ball hitch, he spins his
tire on solid ground. Suddenly the guy backs up a couple feet and takes a
running start. Of course in my mind I think, OH SH_T!. So I grab the wheel
and give it the gas. BAM! I'm out of the hole. Fortunately there was enough
elasticity to not cause any damage, to me or the truck. MAN I love inertia!
But the jeep is still in the mud.

At this point a local fireman shows up in his Toyota FourRunner. I hook up
nose to nose again with the jeep at a better angle and the FourRunner hooks
to me tail to tail. With both trucks we managed to pull that axle buried
jeep out of the mud.

A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story

Joe

PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy!
>>

------------------------------

From: "Rb White Associates" bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot Oil Pressure
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:06:34 -0400

I have the factory approved digital test set that hooks up to computer and
the oil pressure goes from about 30lbs idle to 60 2400 so the output is
ok, I suspect the gage is dampened.. bw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
To: nashville.com>; <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:23 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Idiot Oil Pressure


> Oh, yes I have the same feelings about what Ford did to us on the SD
trucks.
> I noticed this early on. My truck built 9-98.
>
> I purchased the Schematic CD-Rom from Helms and traced down the circuit.
> The output from the pressure switch goes directly into the computer.
There
> is ZERO information on the programming of the computer in any of the Ford
> manuals. I would like to try different pressure senders and see of the
> computer will read the variable resistance of an analog sender. Have not
> done this yet. Do you want to talk ideas here?
>
> I installed an aux gauge to do what the Dash gauge should be doing. The
> factory pressure switch is mounted on top of the high pressure pump
housing
> on the PSD (under the Powerstroke labeled cover on front top). Sorry no
> help on the V-? models.
>
> I have 6 aux gauges inside of my truck.
> - Oil Pressure
> - Volt meter (Factory Dash gauge is severely dampened)
> - Boost
> - Hour Meter
> - Engine Starts (Counts number of cycles of the starter motor)
> - Pyrometer ( Mounted 6" down from turbo)
>
> On another note I see that JC Whitney sells different gauge faces for the
SD
> trucks(Excursion too).
>
> Scott.
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From: "Rb White Associates" bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: V10 performance tips?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:07:47 -0400

ya, but Banks realy brings out the go-power! bw
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 5:33 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: V10 performance tips?


> In a message dated 6/26/00 3:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> boltnut mindspring.com writes:
>
>
> you are better off going with something more affordable , Banks is very
high
> priced kits IMHO, I would try and see if Bassani or Dynomax ultra flow ,
has
> a kit, also i keep hearing good things about Gibson. I am diesel so i am
> speaking from experience in performance market i have and my previous gas
> trucks.
>
> RS
> <<
> I have a 99 SD, Super Cab, 4x4, Swb, V10.
>
> Has anyone installed the Banks exhaust kit?
>
> If so how did you like it? How much of a seat of the pants difference
did
> it make? If any.
>
> What other V10 mods are avalable for improved performace, MPG, etc.....
>
> TIA,
>
> Bryan >>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:19:00 -0700
From: Marv & Marge lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Idiot Gauge

"Glen Novitsky" nashville.com> wrote:
> Subject: Idiot Gauge
> The gauge is either on or off..... if you haven't
> noticed, go start yours now and look. The Gauge SHOULD move up or down
> according to pressure. On ours, it just sits there...
> However, I'm hoping there is a fix.
> My question, do the 450/550 trucks have a REAL gauge? If so, there must
> be an easy fix. If not, has anyone fixed this gauge yet? Don't ask me
> why Ford did this,

For the same reason GM did. It eliminates a bunch of "low oil pressure at idle"
warranty claims.

Check the archives. It seems that an '87 Bronco sender, combined with jumping over
an existing 20 ohm resistor restores it to "old-time" type operation.

-Marv-

------------------------------

From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:18:09 -0400

Eventually everyone gets stuck if they try hard enough! We had a big (~20
inch) snow here last winter (very rare for eastern NC) and I took my 99 F350
cc 4x4 srw V10 out to play hero. I smashed through 2 feet or more for miles
(even with the weenie OEM tires) and pulled out over a dozen chevy, GMC and
ford 4x4's. You name it I pulled it. My last trip involved passing a
stalled semi. I got a little too far off the shoulder and that was the end
of "SUPER TRUCK". A beat up early 80's toyota on a set of 35 inch mudders
hooked up with a nice long snatchem cord and after playing YOYO against my
6800# lead brick for a few minutes he managed to pull me out. A real world
application of F = M x V x V !!
-----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com living.com>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, June 26, 2000 4:32 PM
Subject: [97up-list] 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)


>Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my
2000
>F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction.
>
>Saturday, while cruising around Lake Travis here in Austin, I noticed a
Jeep
>Wrangler stuck in the sand/mud a couple of feet from the waters edge. So,
on
>my way home I though I would play the Good Samaritan, as Texans often do,
>and drive buy and see if I could help out. Well, I get on seen where a boat
>of 4 guys have stopped by to help the other poor fella out. And they're
back
>there pushing and grunt'n and mud is flying everywhere Of course I drive
up
>in my big old shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55 Limited slip, 4x4,
yadda,
>yadda, yadda and toot my horn so as to say, here's your rescuer. Well, boy
>was I full of it.
>
>I proceed to dig out my nice shinny new tow strap from the console and jump
>out of the truck like I'm invisible and can pull anybody out of anything
>with my awesome F150 (I think I've watched to many damn commercials). So, I
>hook us up, nose to nose. The Jeep is just slightly off parallel with the
>water line on the beach, I'm at the end of the strap up the beach, away
from
>the water at about a 30 degree angle to the front of the jeep. I put the
>truck in "4x4 Low" and proceed to back away from the jeep. The strap come
>taught, the truck stops. I apply more gas. Nothing. Not even spinning tires
>on my end. I eventually, and quickly get to full throttle. NOTHING!! The
>jeep doesn't move and not a single tire on the truck is spinning. (did I
>mention that the jeep is buried up to its hubs on the down hill side.)
>Needless to say, I'm astonished! The truck just sits there grunting like
>some dog trying to pull on a rope tied to the side of the house. SO,
quickly
>realizing I have a bad angle on the jeep I choose to reposition the nose of
>the truck at a straighter angle to the jeep. OOPS!
>
>Well, putting the truck at a straighter angle also put me closer to the
>water. As I maneuvered, the left front tire, the one closest to the water,
>crosses the magic mud line. Instantly, what was solid ground under my feet,
>was sheer mush under the weight of the nose of the truck. The tire becomes
>buried almost up to the axle in slimy clay bases mud. Immediately, all
power
>pours into this ONE wheel and my $35k shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55
>Limited slip, 4x4, yadda, yadda, yadda becomes COMPLELY USELESS! So, now
I'm
>focused on getting myself unstuck. My first attempt involved applying just
a
>little gas. Hell, at idle the front tire would spin if it was in gear. Plan
>B involved four guys sitting on the tail gate with the truck in 4x2 (the
>only axle that had any traction) and slowly applying gas. Well that didn't
>work either. Eventually one of the guys friends showed up with an early
80's
>F250 4x2 and a huge fire hose looking tow strap (I've got to get me one of
>these). With a taught line, hooked ball hitch to ball hitch, he spins his
>tire on solid ground. Suddenly the guy backs up a couple feet and takes a
>running start. Of course in my mind I think, OH SH_T!. So I grab the wheel
>and give it the gas. BAM! I'm out of the hole. Fortunately there was enough
>elasticity to not cause any damage, to me or the truck. MAN I love inertia!
>But the jeep is still in the mud.
>
>At this point a local fireman shows up in his Toyota FourRunner. I hook up
>nose to nose again with the jeep at a better angle and the FourRunner hooks
>to me tail to tail. With both trucks we managed to pull that axle buried
>jeep out of the mud.
>
>A little humiliation and embarrassment later, end of story
>
>Joe
>
>PS: I'm going to buy a BMW X5 with Automatic Differential Braking. Oy!
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:18:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: How have they been?

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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:55:54 -0400

Get an air locker for the front!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: living.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 5:33 PM
Subject: [97up-list] 4x4 - Useless (weekend story)


> Well, I'm pretty certain my next truck is going to be a 4x2. Because my
2000
> F150 4x4 is pretty much useless once a single front tire looses traction.
>
> Saturday, while cruising around Lake Travis here in Austin, I noticed a
Jeep
> Wrangler stuck in the sand/mud a couple of feet from the waters edge. So,
on
> my way home I though I would play the Good Samaritan, as Texans often do,
> and drive buy and see if I could help out. Well, I get on seen where a
boat
> of 4 guys have stopped by to help the other poor fella out. And they're
back
> there pushing and grunt'n and mud is flying everywhere Of course I drive
up
> in my big old shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55 Limited slip, 4x4,
yadda,
> yadda, yadda and toot my horn so as to say, here's your rescuer. Well, boy
> was I full of it.
>
> I proceed to dig out my nice shinny new tow strap from the console and
jump
> out of the truck like I'm invisible and can pull anybody out of anything
> with my awesome F150 (I think I've watched to many damn commercials). So,
I
> hook us up, nose to nose. The Jeep is just slightly off parallel with the
> water line on the beach, I'm at the end of the strap up the beach, away
from
> the water at about a 30 degree angle to the front of the jeep. I put the
> truck in "4x4 Low" and proceed to back away from the jeep. The strap come
> taught, the truck stops. I apply more gas. Nothing. Not even spinning
tires
> on my end. I eventually, and quickly get to full throttle. NOTHING!! The
> jeep doesn't move and not a single tire on the truck is spinning. (did I
> mention that the jeep is buried up to its hubs on the down hill side.)
> Needless to say, I'm astonished! The truck just sits there grunting like
> some dog trying to pull on a rope tied to the side of the house. SO,
quickly
> realizing I have a bad angle on the jeep I choose to reposition the nose
of
> the truck at a straighter angle to the jeep. OOPS!
>
> Well, putting the truck at a straighter angle also put me closer to the
> water. As I maneuvered, the left front tire, the one closest to the water,
> crosses the magic mud line. Instantly, what was solid ground under my
feet,
> was sheer mush under the weight of the nose of the truck. The tire becomes
> buried almost up to the axle in slimy clay bases mud. Immediately, all
power
> pours into this ONE wheel and my $35k shinny Black 2000 F150 SC, 5.4, 3.55
> Limited slip, 4x4, yadda, yadda, yadda becomes COMPLELY USELESS! So, now
I'm
> focused on getting myself unstuck. My first attempt involved applying just
a
> little gas. Hell, at idle the front tire would spin if it was in gear.
Plan
> B involved four guys sitting on the tail gate with the truck in 4x2 (the
> only axle that had any traction) and slowly applying gas. Well that didn't
> work either. Eventually one of the guys friends showed up with an early
80's
> F250 4x2 and a huge fire hose looking tow strap (I've got to get me one of
> these). With a taught line, hooked ball hitch to ball hitch, he spins his
> tire on solid ground. Suddenly the guy backs up a couple feet and takes a
> running start. Of course in my mind I think, OH SH_T!. So I grab the
wheel
> and give it the gas. BAM! I'm out of the hole. Fortunately there was
enough
> elasticity to not cause any damage, to me or the truck. MAN I love
inertia!
> But the jeep is still in the mud.
>
> At this point a local fireman shows up in his Toyota FourRunner. I hook up
> nose to nose again with the jeep at a better angle and the FourRunner
hooks
> to me tail to tail. With both trucks we managed to pull that axle buried....


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