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97up-list Digest Thu, 22 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 105

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chicago gas tax
Re: Decent Tires
Re: Decent Tires
Re: Decent Tires
Re: Decent tires?
Re: Decent tires?
Re: Decent tires
99 Superduty problems
Re: 99 Superduty problems
Re: 99 Superduty problems--a/c "thump"
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From: "Michael Ray Jones" lcc.net>
Subject: chicago gas tax
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:17:05 -0500

I saw this on CNN yesterday. In addition to the city tax, there's also a
COOK county tax. All taxes paid per gallon of gas in Chicago is $ .68.

>
>From: CERESJohnG aol.com
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:16:27 EDT
>Subject: A question on Chicago Gas prices.
>
>To anyone in the Chicago area. Some has told me that the city of Chicago
>levies a tax on gasoline over and avove the IL fuel tax. I was quoted an
>astronomical number of 51 cents a gallon just for the Chicago tax. Can
>anyone verify or set me straight on the real number?
>
>John G.



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From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:19:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Decent Tires

I've had Goodyear's rain tires, Aquatreads, on my old Taurus for the past 6
years. I live in the Mobile, AL area where, until the recent drought, we get
over 5 FEET of rain annually. No snow though! :) I liked them on the car so
much that I put them on the truck. The truck rain tires are Wrangler
Aquatreads. Unfortunately, the truck Aquatreads didn't do very well. I
threw the treads on two of them at the speed limit. Both times they did so
much damage that the rear fenders required replacement along with running
boards and mud flaps. Goodyear adjusted the tires but I replaced the
remaining Aquatreads with Goodyear RIB tires. Another problem with the
Aquatreads is keeping them balanced. I suspect that due to the tread design
the tread mass is too great for a daily driver. If the RIBs don't do well
I'll switch to Michelins.

Your mileage may vary.

Butch

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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:38:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Decent Tires

to J. Davis;

Interestib=ng about your experience on the Wrangler Aquatreads. Your
experience on the Taurus mirrors mine on a Buick. My friend with the
Aquatreads on his F150 to my knowledge has had no problems other than
traction when he got into some mud. Yours is enough though that I would look
at the Michlins. I've never had a bad one of those.
JOhn G.

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From: DJBurry aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:58:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Decent Tires

Michelins....Michelins....Michelins...

For my money Michelins are the best. I have run other tires and have not
been happy. They get half way through their life cycle and start to go out
of round and hard to balance. Michelins actually are the cheapest tire....Do
you believe that?? Listen up, I will tell you why!!!...Because...they last
the longest...stay in balance...improve fuel mileage.. cuz they roll so easy
on the road. OH....and the ride...silk smooth...no thumps or bumps going
down the highway. The cost per mile for the Michelin tire is the best
buy...think about it.. But.....you have to keep them rotated often, I do
mine every oil change (5000m) It you buy them from a major warehouse (Sam's
for example) they will do the rotate and balance for free...Walla...

I had a district tire salesman tell me when you buy new Michelin tires to run
them for 1000 miles, then rotate the tires in the standard X method, this
spins the tires in the opposite direction and the tires take a set in the
steel cords, that helps the tires seat in. IMHO...Michelins are the
best...cost about 10-15% more than run of the mill tires...an easy decision
for me to make.. Regards... Dave...From Colorado, home of the MTN
Rocket....2000 PSD/SD/CC/Lariat ...(no chip yet)

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From: RRESTORE aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:59:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Decent tires?

In a message dated 6/22/00 11:33:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

> I got 41k on the original Generals on my '98 4x2 SC, but they slipped and
> slid all over the place. Now have Michelin LTX M/S and am very pleased
> with their ride and handling, especially in the rain.

Steve, thanks for the tip, how much were these Michelins?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:09:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Decent tires?
From: Glenn S See juno.com>

They were about $130 each (245/70R16 LTX M/S) mounted at the local
dealer. TireRack.com has them cheaper ($96), but I needed them "today"
and couldnt wait for the shipping time (trip couldn't be delayed).

Steve

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:59:25 EDT RRESTORE aol.com writes:
>
> Steve, thanks for the tip, how much were these Michelins?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:33:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Decent tires
From: Kirk Werner Werner.org>


My wife has an Explorer with Les Schwab Wild Country APT's (that is, if
you're in an area of the West where Les Schwab is prominent). It's a good
wet traction tire- has one of those "aqua tread" grooves in the tread so it
channels the road water well. We live near Seattle, so we get to test the
tires on wet roads almost daily. We also make several trips up the Mountain
passes each winter in the Explorer, and these tires did great on snow as
well. If you want a bit more aggressive tread, you might consider the tires
that are on my F350- they're Goodyear AT/S's. Heavier all terrain tread than
the Les Schwabs, with dual aqua tread channels.

Kirk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: RRESTORE aol.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:22:27 EDT
> Subject: Re: Decent tires ??
>
> Hi all,
>
> My '97 4.6 2 X 4 36,000 mile Flareside is in need of tires. Not that the
> Generals are worn out, it's just that I can't stand any longer the hideous
> traction they provide, especially on wet roads. I tow a car trailer with my
> lovable F-150 and enough is enough. I need a tire that grips in the rain.
> I'm open to good suggestions on make, type and cost. Who do I talk to?
> Thanks and GO FORD!
>
> John Mc
> '97 F-150
> '64 T'bird
> '63 Falcon
> '77 Lincoln


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From: boltnut mindspring.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:28:59 -0500
Subject: 99 Superduty problems

I am new to the list and have a few questions about my 99 Superduty.

This is a list of some of the issues I have had.

If you know what is the cause or solution (even better) to these problems I
would appreciate your input.

FYI, 99, F250, Supercab (4 door ext cab, not crew cab), V10, 4x4.

I have a sometimes LOUD "Thump" after starting if I have been running the
A/C. I know ford had a service bulletin on this but I would like to know
what it is.

I have 40,000 miles on my truck and have had the dealer install brakes on
it 3 times and it needs it again. Stops fine but the rotors seem to warp
after a few thousand miles. Anyone?

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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:41:12 EDT
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems

Ford has been having a string of problems with rotors, and apparantly not
just Superduties. ONE of the problems is overenthusiastic air wrenches
during tire mounting. If it's the dealer, he should know better, if it's an
outside tire shop, I have often found it necessary to go in an torque them up
my self to spec, over major protests. "Won't be responsible if they come
loose, that's not tight enuf, and so forth" It got bad enough that the State
laid equipment requirements down on shops that do inspections to use torque
limiters on their air wrenches.

JOhn G

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From: "jahl" pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems--a/c "thump"
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:41:25 -0400

The thump is a pulse in the a/c lines--I had the same problem on my 99 F350,
and the dealer changed to a different pressure accumulator based on the
service bulletin, which fixed the problem.

Tom



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From: George Rigney wsnelson.com>
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:10:12 -0500

Dear John,

(No, I'm not leaving you.) What is the proper torque for the lugs on a
Super Duty. I can't find this info in my owner's manual.

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

-----Original Message-----
From: CERESJohnG aol.com [mailto:CERESJohnG aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:41 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 99 Superduty problems


Ford has been having a string of problems with rotors, and apparantly not
just Superduties. ONE of the problems is overenthusiastic air wrenches
during tire mounting. If it's the dealer, he should know better, if it's an
outside tire shop, I have often found it necessary to go in an torque them
up
my self to spec, over major protests. "Won't be responsible if they come
loose, that's not tight enuf, and so forth" It got bad enough that the
State
laid equipment requirements down on shops that do inspections to use torque
limiters on their air wrenches.

JOhn G
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From: "Strukel, Mike" westgroup.com>
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:14:23 -0500

Keep in mind that the amount you torque the lug nuts alone, does not cause
warped rotors. Differences in torque amounts on different lugs causes the
warping. For example, if you torque 5 of the lugs to 120 ft/lbs and 3 of
them to 70 ft/lbs, the rotor will get hot and warp tward the lugs that are
not torqued to the correct amount.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: George Rigney [mailto:George.Rigney WSNelson.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:10 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 99 Superduty problems


Dear John,

(No, I'm not leaving you.) What is the proper torque for the lugs on a
Super Duty. I can't find this info in my owner's manual.

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

-----Original Message-----
From: CERESJohnG aol.com [mailto:CERESJohnG aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:41 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 99 Superduty problems


Ford has been having a string of problems with rotors, and apparantly not
just Superduties. ONE of the problems is overenthusiastic air wrenches
during tire mounting. If it's the dealer, he should know better, if it's an
outside tire shop, I have often found it necessary to go in an torque them
up
my self to spec, over major protests. "Won't be responsible if they come
loose, that's not tight enuf, and so forth" It got bad enough that the
State
laid equipment requirements down on shops that do inspections to use torque
limiters on their air wrenches.

JOhn G
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From: boltnut mindspring.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:21:33 -0500
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems--a/c "thump"

Is the thump doing any damage? My dealer hasent done anything about it.

I mean, when it gets 60,000 miles on it and is outa warrenty is the thump
gonna finally cause me a problem (other than being annoying) with no warrenty.

At 08:41 AM 6/23/00 -0400, jahl wrote:
>The thump is a pulse in the a/c lines--I had the same problem on my 99 F350,
>and the dealer changed to a different pressure accumulator based on the
>service bulletin, which fixed the problem.
>
>Tom
>
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From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:25:31 EDT
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems

George;
Sorry, I can't help on the specifics for your truck. I'm aware and have had
some experience of a sensitivity to this with Fords I have owned. I have also
heard of it with all of the big three at one time or another.

John G

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From: "jahl" pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems--a/c "thump"
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:18:34 -0400

I don't know for sure, but can't help but assume that a pulse strong enough
to feel that occurs in the a/c lines would eventually result in something
cracking, fitting loosening, or whatever.....the a/c lines aren't an impact
device like the door latch.

Tom



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From: "Neil Plocek" jps.net>
Subject: Re: 99 Superduty problems
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:25:34 -0700

George, the lug nut torque specs. are printed on the same laminated sheet
that has the instructions on where to put your jack when changing a tire.
The sheet should have been in your glove box when you got your truck.

I'll get the info for you later today if you can't find yours.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Rigney" WSNelson.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:10 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: 99 Superduty problems


> Dear John,
>
> (No, I'm not leaving you.) What is the proper torque for the lugs on a
> Super Duty. I can't find this info in my owner's manual.
>
> Regards,
> George
>
> 1974 Gran Torino 351W
> 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
> 1999 F250 SD CC V10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CERESJohnG aol.com [mailto:CERESJohnG aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:41 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: 99 Superduty problems
>
>
> Ford has been having a string of problems with rotors, and apparantly not
> just Superduties. ONE of the problems is overenthusiastic air wrenches
> during tire mounting. If it's the dealer, he should know better, if it's
an
> outside tire shop, I have often found it necessary to go in an torque them
> up
> my self to spec, over major protests. "Won't be responsible if they come
> loose, that's not tight enuf, and so forth" It got bad enough that the
> State
> laid equipment requirements down on shops that do inspections to use
torque
> limiters on their air wrenches.
>
> JOhn G
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