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Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 97up-list Digest Sun, 06 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2002 In This Issue: Re: Synthetics Synthetic oils and additives Re: Synthetics Re: Synthetics - CORRECTED URL Re: Synthetics PSD with exhaust brake? Re: Synthetics - Test results??? Re: PSD with exhaust brake? oils and synthetics Re: oils and synthetics Re: oils and synthetics Trailer tow mirrors Re: Synthetics Dynomax Exhaust ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:17:49 -0800 From: Danny Gaudenti Subject: Re: Synthetics There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives. If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1. Danny >Hi Gang, > I am contemplating going with a synthetic oil for my '98 F150 SC 4.6L 4x4. I am leaning towards using Mobil 1. Both Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec oils are readily available here in my area. My dilemma is that the Castrol Syntec is cheaper by a bit over the Mobil 1 but I am thinking that since Mobil has been around the longest, it has the edge with more experience and development time over Castrol. I am going with the old adage that you get what you pay for! Am I right in this or is there no difference between them? >Thanks! > Ron ------------------------------ From: "Delinquente" Subject: Synthetic oils and additives Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:58:00 -0500 Hey I have seen lots of great Tv Commercials on MOTOR UP and Z-Max, I have also tried prolong but did not hear or see any difference but the truck was a brand new 98 dodge at the time. My question is have any of you tried any of these addatives? And if so are they any-good? I was told by a Mechanic at work that if you use duralube when the engine reaches about 50000 miles and use it about every 25000 miles there after then you could expect a long engine life if you change your oil about every 3500 miles. I drive a 94 chevy astro at work and it has 200000 miles on it on the original engine and it runs great. I guess what I am looking for is an additive that I can use with the oil and that does not have to be added everytime that I change my oil, and that wont gum up the engine. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. 99 f150 4.6 v8 (best truck ever had-- better than chevy and Dodge) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:03:05 -0700 From: Alan Bowes Subject: Re: Synthetics There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their "Syntec Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the contrary, it would be interesting to know about it. Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/(WebProductsMotorOils) In order for the above URL to work, it must be on a single line with no spaces (in case your e-mail reader breaks it into two lines). Alan Danny Gaudenti wrote: > There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full > synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives. > If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1. > > Danny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:13:03 -0700 From: Alan Bowes Subject: Re: Synthetics - CORRECTED URL Here's a CORRECTED address that should work better: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/%28WebProductsMotorOils%29 Again, make sure it's all on one line, no spaces. Alan Alan Bowes wrote: > There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec > Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their > conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their "Syntec > Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the > contrary, it would be interesting to know about it. > > Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:52:02 -0800 From: Danny Gaudenti Subject: Re: Synthetics I think the story goes that Mobil 1 took Castrol to court charging that their Syntec is not made from a synthetic base. Castrol won, only because they just meet the law which states what is required to call an oil a synthetic. Here is part of a post from someone who is familiar with oils: "In the October issue of Hart's Lubricants world, there is the first part of a two part story outlining a ruling made by a branch of the better business bureau. Mobil Oil Corp. took the maker of Castrol Syntec to task over the formulation of this product and the right to call it 'full synthetic'. Mobil maintains that the defintion, which the SAE and API have stayed away from completely, in both the public eye and in the oil industry is something that is generated from a specific series of chemical reactions where a smaller molecule is made into a bigger molecule. This is industry wide accepted to involved chemicals called PAO's and/or esters. Castrol maintains that 'synthetic' is simply something that has undergone human adjustment. In December of 1997, tests being done to prove this, Castrol Syntec went from 93-80% PAO's to 0% PAO's and 100% Mineral oil. This means that the Castrol in the bottle is little more than an extremely clean petroleum based oil that 'barely meets the SAE specifications of being called a synthetic'. Some of the reasons we buy synthetic are: Higher resistance to heat across the operating envelope, better flow rates across the envelope, far superior resistance to friction, superior adhearance qualities (to parts), far superior longevity (depending on additive package). This good mineral oil has none of these features, and it will absolutely destroy turbo bearings if treated like synthetic. Essentially Castrol has been trying to lawyer their way into using a sub-standard oil in a high-performance area where it will do the public enumerable harm. It disgusts me to see where this country is going..." At 10:03 AM 2/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec >Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their >conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their "Syntec >Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the >contrary, it would be interesting to know about it. > >Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils: > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/(WebProductsMoto rOils) > >In order for the above URL to work, it must be on a single line with no spaces >(in case your e-mail reader breaks it into two lines). > >Alan > > >Danny Gaudenti wrote: > >> There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full >> synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives. >> If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1. >> >> Danny ------------------------------ From: "Glenn Braden" Subject: PSD with exhaust brake? Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:36:00 -0800 I haven't seen any discussion about exhaust brakes on late model PSD's. I seem to recall hearing that Dodge says you should not put exhaust brakes on their trucks with automatic transmissions. Something about lockup, slippage, heat, etc. What about Ford? I'm thinking of getting a new Ford SD-350 that I would use to pull a travel trailer or 5th wheel and would like to have an exhaust brake, but don't want one if they may cause problems down the line. Also, does Ford offer for the F-350 the compass direction-outside temperature gadget that mounts overhead or is that only available in other Ford vehicles? If not, can these be obtained thru 3rd party outfits? Heck, I'd like one that tells you your gas mileage, too. Do you like automatic or manual transmission? I noticed that with the Dodge Ram, if you get manual transmission, you lose a cup holder. Doesn't sound like a biggie, but I would hate to not have one. What about Fords? Do you lose a cup holder or some such if you get the manual transmission? What other options or 3rd party items should I consider getting? Thanks, Glenn Braden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:27:11 -0700 From: Alan Bowes Subject: Re: Synthetics - Test results??? Danny, thanks for the link to the thread on the topic at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online.  com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000765.html It's really quite an interesting situation, and I think that it merits further research. Obviously, there has been--and still is--considerable contention over the point at which something "natural" becomes "synthetic," since synthetic materials have roots in natural substances, whether directly related via a single transformation, or distantlly related through a whole series of transformations and combinations. Apparently, Castrol's definition met some kind of legal test (whether we agree with it or not). Fortunately, we can still make up our own minds as to what we choose to call "synthetic" and accept or reject someone else's definition as we like. Whether or not the reformulation of Castrol's oil actually reduced its lubricating qualities is another matter, and I didn't see any test results on that. If some particular auto manufacturer takes an oil off of its approved list, is it because of performance issues? Or are there other factors involved? Beyond definitions, my PRINCIPAL concerns with ANY lubricant would be: 1) The actual performance of a lubricant as shown by independent scientific testing and large-scale, statistically significant usage reports. 2) Whether or not SAE - API ratings are accurate and appropriately reflect the requirements of the service for which a lubricant is intended. 3) The price-to-performance ratio. It's not always easy to get good data for item number one, but we might have better luck with item two, since the SAE and other such organizations typically publish their standards and testing procedures. If/when I have time, I may take a close look at the testing procedures and standards, plus I may do a little searching for some tests that were not carried out or commissioned by a manufacturer or anyone with a vested interest in any particular manufacturer. I'm not endorsing or rejecting any particular brand or type of oil here...just trying to look objectively at the issue. I would especially welcome some specific references to independent oil testing results. Alan Danny Gaudenti wrote: > I think the story goes that Mobil 1 took Castrol to court charging that > their Syntec is not made from a synthetic base. Castrol won, only because > they just meet the law which states what is required to call an oil a > synthetic. Here is part of a post from someone who is familiar with oils: Snip... ------------------------------ From: RSnovi aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:24:42 EST Subject: Re: PSD with exhaust brake? -from my information the exhaust brake works great on a PSD, wish i had one! Dodge, what are those? Just a high marked-up POS. A while back I used a early 80s small v8 dodge just to pull around my bass boat for a bit and it would barely get out of a wet boat ramp. I haven't seen any discussion about exhaust brakes on late model PSD's. I seem to recall hearing that Dodge says you should not put exhaust brakes on their trucks with automatic transmissions. Something about lockup, slippage, heat, etc. What about Ford? I'm thinking of getting a new Ford SD-350 that I would use to pull a travel trailer or 5th wheel and would like to have an exhaust brake, but don't want one if they may cause problems down the line. Also, does Ford offer for the F-350 the compass direction-outside temperature gadget that mounts overhead or is that only available in other Ford vehicles? If not, can these be obtained thru 3rd party outfits? Heck, I'd like one that tells you your gas mileage, too. -- I have seen a few things around, check a Cabela's catalog or if you feel like doing some hunting find out about a Lariat overhead unit, which has all those things. Do you like automatic or manual transmission? I noticed that with the Dodge Ram, if you get manual transmission, you lose a cup holder. Doesn't sound like a biggie, but I would hate to not have one. What about Fords? Do you lose a cup holder or some such if you get the manual transmission? -No you do no loose the cupholder, i was thinking of geting on the goes on front of arm rest, its a little close and bottles wont fly out on turns. What other options or 3rd party items should I consider getting? -Rhino liner and some better tires, stock ones suck if you go off pavement. sinks like a rock. Tint is good too, big windows will cook you medium-well. -hope this helps RS Thanks, Glenn Braden ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the body of the message. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com> Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:37:44 1900 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [209.50.251.152]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:37:38 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27011; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:33:05 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 97up-list); Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ioracle ha2.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.67]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26995 for <97up-list ford-trucks.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:33:02 -0500 Received: from cx683581b ([24.4.67.237]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000206183545.TJSV25780.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com cx683581b>for <97up-list ford-trucks.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:35:45 -0800Message-ID: <002001bf70d1$03c85680 elcjn1.sdca.home.com>From: "Glenn Braden" To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>Subject: [97up-list] PSD with exhaust brake? Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:36:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.128a Sender: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.comErrors-to: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.comX-original-sender: glennbraden home.comPrecedence: bulk Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.comX-list: 97up-list >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:40:54 -0500 Subject: oils and synthetics From: "Steve and Caryl Baron" I haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will be facing one in a couple of months. The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic? -- Steve Baron New York, NY baronny rcn.com------------------------------ From: RSnovi aol.comDate: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:11:51 EST Subject: Re: oils and synthetics In a message dated 2/6/00 8:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, baronny rcn.comwrites: thats 14.2 qts, i know because mine takes 3 1/2 gals approx. 16 qts = 4 gals. This is for a 99, unless you have some kind of oil cooler or whatever. 12 yrs. on a oil change, thats quite a mileage interval! RS << Subj: [97up-list] oils and synthetics Date: 2/6/00 8:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: baronny rcn.com (Steve and Caryl Baron)Sender: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.comReply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.comTo: 97up-list ford-trucks.comI haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will be facing one in a couple of months. The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic? -- Steve Baron New York, NY baronny rcn.com========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the body of the message. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com>Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:38:22 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [209.50.251.152]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:33:04 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04494; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:29:01 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 97up-list); Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04482 for <97up-list ford-trucks.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:29:00 -0500Received: from r97aag014914.nyr.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.10.150]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Hd1j-0001ed-00 for 97up-list ford-trucks.com; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:31:43 -0500X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:40:54 -0500 Subject: [97up-list] oils and synthetics From: "Steve and Caryl Baron" To: 97up-list ford-trucks.comMime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: X-listar-version: Listar v0.128a Sender: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.comErrors-to: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.comX-original-sender: baronny rcn.comPrecedence: bulk Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.comX-list: 97up-list >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:15:33 -0600 From: Tiny Subject: Re: oils and synthetics Steve, The REAL stuff (MOBIL 1 )is averaging about $4.00 a quart I have seen it on sale for $3.00 up to $6.00 here in the greater Chicago metro area TINY Steve and Caryl Baron wrote: > > I haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will > be facing one in a couple of months. > > The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What > is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:51:39 +0100 Subject: Trailer tow mirrors From: "Kirk Werner" A few weeks ago someone posted the name/number of an outfit that sells the telescoping Trailer tow mirrors for $300...can you please resend? Thanks ------------------------------ From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: Synthetics Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:10:45 -0500 With a good engine, proper maintenance, oil changes on schedule every time, etc. If you did an exact side-by side of Mobil-1 and Castrol Synthetic and Red-Line, all the engines would probably hum like happy babies at 250,000 miles. My '87 Toyota 4-Runner with the 4-Cylinder did. 188,000 miles, all but the first 500 or so on Mobil-1. Compression in each cylinder was the exact same as when new, all were equal and at a value of 175 to 185 or so, each, depending on hot, warm or cold engine when measuring the compression. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron,Marge,Ted To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: [97up-list] Synthetics > > Hi Gang, > > I am contemplating going with a synthetic oil for my '98 F150 SC 4.6L 4x4. I am leaning towards using Mobil 1. Both Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec oils are readily available here in my area. My dilemma is that the Castrol Syntec is cheaper by a bit over the Mobil 1 but I am thinking that since Mobil has been around the longest, it has the edge with more experience and development time over Castrol. I am going with the old adage that you get what you pay for! Am I right in this or is there no difference between them? > Thanks! > Ron > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the body of the > message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:23:21 -0600 From: Schmidt Subject: Dynomax Exhaust Hi all, Anybody ever tried a Dynomax muffler or cat-back exhaust system on their truck? They're much cheaper than Borla, just wondering if they're good or not. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.a-1performance.com/super_turbo/systems/ford_trucks.htm Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ End of 97up-list Digest V1 #2002 ******************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1997 and Newer Truck List Send posts to 97up-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 97up-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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