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97up-list Digest Sun, 06 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2002

In This Issue:
Re: Synthetics
Synthetic oils and additives
Re: Synthetics
Re: Synthetics - CORRECTED URL
Re: Synthetics
PSD with exhaust brake?
Re: Synthetics - Test results???
Re: PSD with exhaust brake?
oils and synthetics
Re: oils and synthetics
Re: oils and synthetics
Trailer tow mirrors
Re: Synthetics
Dynomax Exhaust

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:17:49 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti qnet.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetics

There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full
synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives.
If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1.

Danny

>Hi Gang,
> I am contemplating going with a synthetic oil for my '98 F150 SC 4.6L
4x4. I am leaning towards using Mobil 1. Both Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec
oils are readily available here in my area. My dilemma is that the Castrol
Syntec is cheaper by a bit over the Mobil 1 but I am thinking that since
Mobil has been around the longest, it has the edge with more experience
and development time over Castrol. I am going with the old adage that you
get what you pay for! Am I right in this or is there no difference between
them?
>Thanks!
> Ron


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From: "Delinquente" netzero.net>
Subject: Synthetic oils and additives
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:58:00 -0500


Hey I have seen lots of great Tv Commercials on MOTOR UP and Z-Max, I have
also tried prolong but did not hear or see any difference but the truck was
a brand new 98 dodge at the time. My question is have any of you tried any
of these addatives? And if so are they any-good?

I was told by a Mechanic at work that if you use duralube when the
engine reaches about 50000 miles and use it about every 25000 miles there
after then you could expect a long engine life if you change your oil about
every 3500 miles. I drive a 94 chevy astro at work and it has 200000 miles
on it on the original engine and it runs great.

I guess what I am looking for is an additive that I can use with the oil
and that does not have to be added everytime that I change my oil, and that
wont gum up the engine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
99 f150 4.6 v8 (best truck ever had-- better than chevy and Dodge)




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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:03:05 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetics

There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec
Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their
conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their "Syntec
Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the
contrary, it would be interesting to know about it.

Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/(WebProductsMotorOils)

In order for the above URL to work, it must be on a single line with no spaces
(in case your e-mail reader breaks it into two lines).

Alan


Danny Gaudenti wrote:

> There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full
> synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives.
> If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1.
>
> Danny


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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:13:03 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetics - CORRECTED URL

Here's a CORRECTED address that should work better:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/%28WebProductsMotorOils%29

Again, make sure it's all on one line, no spaces.

Alan



Alan Bowes wrote:

> There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec
> Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their
> conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their "Syntec
> Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the
> contrary, it would be interesting to know about it.
>
> Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils:


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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:52:02 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti qnet.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetics

I think the story goes that Mobil 1 took Castrol to court charging that
their Syntec is not made from a synthetic base. Castrol won, only because
they just meet the law which states what is required to call an oil a
synthetic. Here is part of a post from someone who is familiar with oils:

"In the October issue of Hart's Lubricants world, there is the first
part of a two part story outlining a ruling made by a branch of the better
business bureau.

Mobil Oil Corp. took the maker of Castrol Syntec to task over the
formulation of this
product and the right to call it 'full synthetic'. Mobil maintains that
the defintion,
which the SAE and API have stayed away from completely, in both the
public eye and in
the oil industry is something that is generated from a specific series
of chemical
reactions where a smaller molecule is made into a bigger molecule. This
is industry
wide accepted to involved chemicals called PAO's and/or esters.

Castrol maintains that 'synthetic' is simply something that has
undergone human adjustment.


In December of 1997, tests being done to prove this, Castrol Syntec went
from 93-80% PAO's to
0% PAO's and 100% Mineral oil. This means that the Castrol in the bottle
is little more than
an extremely clean petroleum based oil that 'barely meets the SAE
specifications of being called
a synthetic'.

Some of the reasons we buy synthetic are: Higher resistance to heat
across the operating envelope,
better flow rates across the envelope, far superior resistance to
friction, superior adhearance
qualities (to parts), far superior longevity (depending on additive
package). This good mineral oil
has none of these features, and it will absolutely destroy turbo
bearings if treated like synthetic.

Essentially Castrol has been trying to lawyer their way into using a
sub-standard oil in a high-performance
area where it will do the public enumerable harm. It disgusts me to see
where this country is going..."


At 10:03 AM 2/6/00 -0700, you wrote:
>There are TWO Castrol "Syntec" oils: "Syntec Full Synthetic" and "Syntec
>Blend." Castrol says that their Syntec Blend is a mixture of their
>conventional oil and Syntec molecular components. I suspect that their
"Syntec
>Full Synthetic" is probably as advertised, but if you have information to the
>contrary, it would be interesting to know about it.
>
>Here is a link to descriptions of the two Castrol Syntec oils:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolauto.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf/(WebProductsMoto
rOils)
>
>In order for the above URL to work, it must be on a single line with no
spaces
>(in case your e-mail reader breaks it into two lines).
>
>Alan
>
>
>Danny Gaudenti wrote:
>
>> There *is* a difference between Syntec and Mobil 1...Mobil 1 is a full
>> synthetic and Syntec is a conventional base oil with synthetic additives.
>> If you want a true, full synthetic (and you should), go with Mobil 1.
>>
>> Danny


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From: "Glenn Braden" home.com>
Subject: PSD with exhaust brake?
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:36:00 -0800


I haven't seen any discussion about exhaust brakes on late model PSD's. I seem to recall hearing that Dodge says you should not put exhaust brakes on their trucks with automatic transmissions. Something about lockup, slippage, heat, etc. What about Ford? I'm thinking of getting a new Ford SD-350 that I would use to pull a travel trailer or 5th wheel and would like to have an exhaust brake, but don't want one if they may cause problems down the line.

Also, does Ford offer for the F-350 the compass direction-outside temperature gadget that mounts overhead or is that only available in other Ford vehicles? If not, can these be obtained thru 3rd party outfits? Heck, I'd like one that tells you your gas mileage, too.

Do you like automatic or manual transmission? I noticed that with the Dodge Ram, if you get manual transmission, you lose a cup holder. Doesn't sound like a biggie, but I would hate to not have one. What about Fords? Do you lose a cup holder or some such if you get the manual transmission?

What other options or 3rd party items should I consider getting?

Thanks,
Glenn Braden



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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:27:11 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetics - Test results???

Danny, thanks for the link to the thread on the topic at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000765.html

It's really quite an interesting situation, and I think that it merits further
research. Obviously, there has been--and still is--considerable contention over
the point at which something "natural" becomes "synthetic," since synthetic
materials have roots in natural substances, whether directly related via a single
transformation, or distantlly related through a whole series of transformations
and combinations.

Apparently, Castrol's definition met some kind of legal test (whether we agree
with it or not). Fortunately, we can still make up our own minds as to what we
choose to call "synthetic" and accept or reject someone else's definition as we
like.

Whether or not the reformulation of Castrol's oil actually reduced its lubricating
qualities is another matter, and I didn't see any test results on that. If some
particular auto manufacturer takes an oil off of its approved list, is it because
of performance issues? Or are there other factors involved?

Beyond definitions, my PRINCIPAL concerns with ANY lubricant would be:

1) The actual performance of a lubricant as shown by independent scientific
testing and large-scale, statistically significant usage reports.
2) Whether or not SAE - API ratings are accurate and appropriately reflect the
requirements of the service for which a lubricant is intended.
3) The price-to-performance ratio.

It's not always easy to get good data for item number one, but we might have
better luck with item two, since the SAE and other such organizations typically
publish their standards and testing procedures. If/when I have time, I may take a
close look at the testing procedures and standards, plus I may do a little
searching for some tests that were not carried out or commissioned by a
manufacturer or anyone with a vested interest in any particular manufacturer.

I'm not endorsing or rejecting any particular brand or type of oil here...just
trying to look objectively at the issue. I would especially welcome some specific
references to independent oil testing results.

Alan


Danny Gaudenti wrote:

> I think the story goes that Mobil 1 took Castrol to court charging that
> their Syntec is not made from a synthetic base. Castrol won, only because
> they just meet the law which states what is required to call an oil a
> synthetic. Here is part of a post from someone who is familiar with oils:

Snip...




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From: RSnovi aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:24:42 EST
Subject: Re: PSD with exhaust brake?

-from my information the exhaust brake works great on a PSD, wish i had one!
Dodge, what are those? Just a high marked-up POS. A while back I used a
early 80s small v8 dodge just to pull around my bass boat for a bit and it
would barely get out of a wet boat ramp.

I haven't seen any discussion about exhaust brakes on late model PSD's. I
seem to recall hearing that Dodge says you should not put exhaust brakes on
their trucks with automatic transmissions. Something about lockup, slippage,
heat, etc. What about Ford? I'm thinking of getting a new Ford SD-350 that I
would use to pull a travel trailer or 5th wheel and would like to have an
exhaust brake, but don't want one if they may cause problems down the line.


Also, does Ford offer for the F-350 the compass direction-outside
temperature gadget that mounts overhead or is that only available in other
Ford vehicles? If not, can these be obtained thru 3rd party outfits? Heck,
I'd like one that tells you your gas mileage, too.

-- I have seen a few things around, check a Cabela's catalog or if you feel
like doing some hunting find out about a Lariat overhead unit, which has all
those things.

Do you like automatic or manual transmission? I noticed that with the Dodge
Ram, if you get manual transmission, you lose a cup holder. Doesn't sound
like a biggie, but I would hate to not have one. What about Fords? Do you
lose a cup holder or some such if you get the manual transmission?

-No you do no loose the cupholder, i was thinking of geting on the goes on
front of arm rest, its a little close and bottles wont fly out on turns.

What other options or 3rd party items should I consider getting?

-Rhino liner and some better tires, stock ones suck if you go off pavement.
sinks like a rock. Tint is good too, big windows will cook you medium-well.

-hope this helps
RS


Thanks,
Glenn Braden


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I haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will
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The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What
is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic?
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In a message dated 2/6/00 8:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, baronnyrcn.com
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thats 14.2 qts, i know because mine takes 3 1/2 gals approx. 16 qts = 4
gals. This is for a 99, unless you have some kind of oil cooler or whatever.

12 yrs. on a oil change, thats quite a mileage interval!

RS
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I haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will
be facing one in a couple of months.

The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What
is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic?
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:15:33 -0600
From: Tiny home.com>
Subject: Re: oils and synthetics

Steve, The REAL stuff (MOBIL 1 )is averaging about $4.00 a quart
I have seen it on sale for $3.00 up to $6.00 here in the greater
Chicago metro area
TINY

Steve and Caryl Baron wrote:
>
> I haven't had to deal with an oil change in about twelve years. But I will
> be facing one in a couple of months.
>
> The owner's manual says I'll need 16 quarts for my Powerstroke Diesel. What
> is a quart worth these days, the real stuff, the synthetic?
>

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:51:39 +0100
Subject: Trailer tow mirrors
From: "Kirk Werner" werner.org>

A few weeks ago someone posted the name/number of an outfit that sells the
telescoping Trailer tow mirrors for $300...can you please resend?

Thanks

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From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Synthetics
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:10:45 -0500

With a good engine, proper maintenance, oil changes on schedule every time,
etc. If you did an exact side-by side of Mobil-1 and Castrol Synthetic and
Red-Line, all the engines would probably hum like happy babies at 250,000
miles. My '87 Toyota 4-Runner with the 4-Cylinder did. 188,000 miles, all
but the first 500 or so on Mobil-1. Compression in each cylinder was the
exact same as when new, all were equal and at a value of 175 to 185 or so,
each, depending on hot, warm or cold engine when measuring the compression.

Keith


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>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am contemplating going with a synthetic oil for my '98 F150 SC 4.6L
4x4. I am leaning towards using Mobil 1. Both Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec
oils are readily available here in my area. My dilemma is that the Castrol
Syntec is cheaper by a bit over the Mobil 1 but I am thinking that since
Mobil has been around the longest, it has the edge with more experience and
development time over Castrol. I am going with the old adage that you get
what you pay for! Am I right in this or is there no difference between them?
> Thanks!
> Ron
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:23:21 -0600
From: Schmidt wcom.com>
Subject: Dynomax Exhaust

Hi all,
Anybody ever tried a Dynomax muffler or cat-back exhaust system on their
truck? They're much cheaper than Borla, just wondering if they're good or
not.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.a-1performance.com/super_turbo/systems/ford_trucks.htm

Thanks,
Mike


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