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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Overdrive Problem
FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS
FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
FTE 97up - "shelf it" item on ATST's (Andthensometoo) website
FTE 97up - tracked vehicles
Re: FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS
Re: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!
Re: FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
FTE 97up - 1999 F350 6x6
FTE 97up - Re: Air suspension
FTE 97up - Banks
FTE 97up - overhead shelf
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Air suspension
RE: FTE 97up - what are the best products to detail the interior?
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
FTE 97up - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event
FTE 97up - Econoline availability
FTE 97up - Exhaust in front of rear tire
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust in front of rear tire

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:48:51 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Overdrive Problem

Have you changed your transmission fluid and filter? I've heard from
several friends with F-150's with this same problem at ~ 30-50K miles who
fixed the problem with a fluid and filter change. My wifes car uses the
same transmission you have and when we had it in for an unrelated problem
the technician went for a test drive with my wife and spotted the problem
un-prompted. (My wife said she thought it was out of balance tire which
tells you how much I drive her car since I got my F350SD!). They serviced
the transmission and the problem was solved.
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From: Cop786 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:26 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Overdrive Problem


>On my 97 4.6L Auto, I am having some problems with the overdrive. At first
I
>thought it was the cruise control because on hills, it would downshift a
>gear, but then once it reached flat ground again it wouldn't shift back
into
>overdrive. But it has now also done this with cruise off. Even when I let
>off the pedal to try to get it to shift into OD it wont. I can cure this
by
>pressing the OD Off button, and then pressing it again to force it back
into
>overdrive. Had anyone else had this problem??
>Thanks in advance for your help!
>Chris Gerstner
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:18:43 -0500
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS

I want to put to different size tires on the front and back of my 2000 F150
SC 4x2, 5.4L.

Front: 255x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.1")
Rear: 275x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.8")

Will this small difference in tire diameter cause any ill effects for the ABS?


Also,
does anyone make a rollpan for 97up F150 with a Flareside bed?

Thank you,

Dean Baruffi


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Date: 20 Dec 99 07:54:58 EST
From: Andthensometoo
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

[Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo he=
re =

goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there do=
ne =

this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?]
I heard from some one that got water in the spark plug "pockets"
And it was BIG trouble. The plugs are in there so deep, that a lot of wat=
er
can get in and remain there for a while. =

I would probably avoid washing MY engine, Maybe just blow some dirt off w=
ith
air compressor. But then I do everything to excess, soap, wax, ect. so I'=
m
sure to screw up washing the engine!!


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:20:56 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

RRESTORE aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo here
> goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there done
> this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?
>
> Thanks,
> John Mc
> '97 F150 Std. 4.6 Flareside
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John,

I just simply go to the local power wash and select engine
shampoo. I spray everywhere except into the air cleaner
opening. When I am done and back home I use tire cleaner
spray on the black plastic parts. BTW wash the engine first
then the outside of the truck.

Regards

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Date: 20 Dec 99 08:23:21 EST
From: Andthensometoo
Subject: FTE 97up - "shelf it" item on ATST's (Andthensometoo) website

Well I got it from JCWhitney for about $50. =

The color is not an exact match, but the interior isn't really =

one color anyway. ie; charcoal is really two different shades =

of grey, so I ordered to match the darkest color of the interior.
Secondly, if you are tall, forget it! I am 5'5" and I can see =

the traffic lights (almost) when I am stopped at one.
Third, Well, let's just say that I wish it was as good Quality =

(bare with me on this one) as the rest of the stock fabric. =

It's not. It is kinda fuzzy.
Forth, DO NOT get this stuff wet!! my exterior Visor was installed
with one of the screws in the water channel and it took a month =

or two to finally seal it right. Meanwhile, when the fuzzy stuff =

on the shelf-it gets wet, it peels off. So for my next project, =

I will be refinishing the shelf-it. "Why don't I leave it off?" =

you say? Well the guys that put the ex. visor on ran the lights =

wiring through the hole that the OEM int. visor would use so if =

I put it back now, it would shear off the wire. Which is easier =

re-wiring the lights to the visor or re-covering the shelf-it?
Well to be honest I LIKE the shelf-it!
There's your answer, and then some too.

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:03:11 -0600
From: "Doug Pogatetz"
Subject: FTE 97up - tracked vehicles

Here is the website for putting tracks on your truck!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mattracks.com

Anyone who has done this please write in and let us know how they work.


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:17:50 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS

Dean Baruffi wrote:
>
> I want to put to different size tires on the front and back of my 2000 F150
> SC 4x2, 5.4L.
>
> Front: 255x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.1")
> Rear: 275x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.8")
>
> Will this small difference in tire diameter cause any ill effects for the ABS?
>
> Also,
> does anyone make a rollpan for 97up F150 with a Flareside bed?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dean Baruffi
>
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Dean,

What do you have on ti now, what di it come from the
factory with?

Regards

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:34:04 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!

I had the same thing a couple of months ago and also thought it was the rear
main. It turned out the oil filter was loose. I had lost four quarts of
oil. The people that found the leak also did the faulty oil change. They
passed it off as one of those things. What a mess if the filter had
continue to unscrew.

You might want to check yours.

Good luck and Happy Hollidays

Martial.


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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 19, 1999 9:14 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!


>Well i was on my way to south FL when i knew i had a small leak, which has
>now turned into a big mess all over the back of my 99 F250SD powerstroke
4x4,
>I can say it has been a nice truck up until this leak from the passenger
side
>of the motor and maybe rear main, i couldn't see real good(it was dark and
>raining) w/25k on the clock, what a mess i am going to have to clean once i
>get it fixed, hopefully tommorrow. Will keep you guys update on how the
for
>dealer treats a customer warranty work at a dealer that i did not buy the
>truck at or know anyone personally there. I know i should have waited on
>the trip, but i needed to get going.
> Good thing i still have a spare car that was on the trailer i was pulling!
>
>I never heard of anyone haveing any real problems with the powerstroke so
>this kinda caught me off guard.
>
>Anyone else on the list had any malfunctions like this?
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:32:13 -0500
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tire size and ABS

The 2000 F150 4x2 Lariat comes with 275x60x17 (calculated diameter = 30")

This would be a 2/30 = 6.66% reduction for the rear. I know the speedo
will be off until I get Ford to reprogram the ECU. Besides from the look,
I am doing this to get my 3.55 rear axle to act like 3.79's using the
smaller tire diameter. 3.55 + .00666 x 3.55 = 3.79 rather than installing
3.73's.

- -Dean


At 10:17 AM 12/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Dean Baruffi wrote:
>>
>> I want to put to different size tires on the front and back of my 2000 F150
>> SC 4x2, 5.4L.
>>
>> Front: 255x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.1")
>> Rear: 275x50x17 (calculated diameter = 27.8")
>>
>> Will this small difference in tire diameter cause any ill effects for
the ABS?
>>
>> Also,
>> does anyone make a rollpan for 97up F150 with a Flareside bed?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Dean Baruffi
>>
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>Dean,
>
> What do you have on ti now, what di it come from the
>factory with?
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:49:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

I've washed a few engines and I seem to have had
better luck letting the engine run while cleaning it.
Makes it a little messier, though. But, as long as
the engine doesn't die during, you don't have to worry
about drying out the distributor before it will start.

I've heard things about using a butter container to
cover the distributor, etc, but it didn't work for me.
I always take some 556 with me though - just in case!

Keith P
99 F-250 SD SC V10
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:57:54 PST
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 6x6

Has anyone seen the latest Truck Trends Mangazine? There is a MN
metalworker that has modified his 1999 4x4 F350 PSD into a 10 wheeler.
He added another axle to a stock dualy. The article states that he can run
in 6x2, 6x4 or 6x6.

Neat setup, I suggest you read it.

Scott.
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:44:44 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Air suspension

I put the Firestone Ride rite air bags on my 99 F350 and love them. With
5psi in the bags while unloaded, the ride is no harsher than before. With
60 to 70 psi, my truck is back to level after loading my camper. The truck
used to be back end low before I put the springs on. If you get in on a
special at www.jcwhitney.com you can buy a set for about $200.

Harald


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:02:46 -0700
From: "ken-carole"
Subject: FTE 97up - Banks

We have a 1999 F350 Power-stroke Diesel and are considering installing a
Banks Stinger package. Has anyone had any experience with this setup in
this type of truck before? I am only interested in results with the above
mentioned truck. I doubt there has been many installed....is there anyone
in this NG that could share their experiences?

Thanks...Carole in Boise

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:06:43 -0800 (PST)
From: deathbycuervo
Subject: FTE 97up - overhead shelf

New to this list - hope this works...

I've got a "Shelf-It", and it's very sturdy.
It's 1/8"+/- thick aluminum, w/ "fuzzy"/flocked type
cloth veneer that comes in a number of colors to match
most interiors. It attaches into the existing
mounting holes for the sunvisors, and then the
sunvisors are remounted to the underside of the shelf
(the shelf already has pre-drilled locations for
them). You're supposed to remove the bracket that the
ends of the visors clip into (above the middle of the
windshield), then drill the shelf and remount the
bracket to the bottom of the Shelf-It. I just left it
off and I've never had a problem w/ the visors moving
around. Besides, when you remove the bracket from the
interior of the cab-roof/headliner, you're left w/ a
couple of big holes that are plainly visible. I
decided to just leave the bracket alone and
looks/works fine.
The shelf hangs down about 4"-5", and has a 1/2"+/-
lip on each side to keep things from falling off.
As far as installing it, if you have someone helping
you, it shouldn't take more than 15-20 minutes if
you're really slow. I tried to do it myself at first,
and couldn't get the screw holes lined up. The extra
set of hands can keep everything lined up for you…

The down side is that it does obstruct some upward
vision - most noticeable at a stop light. I just got
use to stopping a little further back.
Another problem is if you're taller than 5'-9" or so,
this shelf will get you in the forehead or across the
bridge of your nose. Not exactly something you want
in a collision. I'm 5'-7" and the thing just clears
the top of my head by an inch or so when I lean
forward to get something off the dash.

To me these drawbacks are minor and it does exactly
what I want it to. I mounted a lighting control box
on mine, and the switches for my fog/driving/off-road
lights are at the periphery of my vision, so I can
just glance at them and turn them on and off without
fumbling around on the dash. The driver's side
windshield pillar trim just snaps off (grip hard and
pull straight) and I routed all of my wiring behind it
for a nice clean install. Really slick.
- -Nic

P.S. - Hey JMC!

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:11:42 -0700
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

Spray a coating of 'Gunk' or some similar engine cleaner onto a warm (but not
hot) engine, let it set for fifteen or twenty minutes, then rinse it off with a
LOW-pressure water spray. I don't like using high-pressure spray to clean
engines, since high pressures can sometimes force small amounts of water past
various seals, especially into electrical connectors. After rinsing, blow off
the excess puddles of water with an air compressor and warm up the engine to
speed drying. I've been cleaning engines this way for years, and I haven't had
any problems at all with water. Of course, back when they used to have
distributors instead of electronic timing and individual coils, some water would
occasionally get into a distributor, requiring the removal of the cap and some
wiping and air drying, but you won't have to worry about that with the new
modular engines.

By the way, I don't like to use silicone or other "dress-up" sprays on engines,
since it's hard to control exactly where the stuff ends up, and it's also very
difficult to remove. For example, when I took delivery of my current truck, the
dealer's detail shop sprayed the engine with this silicone crap, some of which
managed to get on one of the front disk brake pads. Immediately afterwards, it
pulled to the other side when braking. After tracking down the problem and
changing the pads, it was fine. In addition, they spattered some of the silicone
stuff onto the windshield, so whenever it rained, it made a very obvious spatter
pattern. It took a couple of hours of rubbing the windshield with various
solvents to get the stuff off. I'd stay away from it. If you DO use it, apply it
very carefully, and only to those areas that might get some limited benefit from
the coating, such as rubber/plastic parts. And keep it OFF of the fan belt and
pulleys, since it's a common cause of a slipping belt.

Have fun,

Alan



Andthensometoo wrote:

> [Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo here
> goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there done
> this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?]
> I heard from some one that got water in the spark plug "pockets"
> And it was BIG trouble. The plugs are in there so deep, that a lot of water
> can get in and remain there for a while.
> I would probably avoid washing MY engine, Maybe just blow some dirt off with
> air compressor. But then I do everything to excess, soap, wax, ect. so I'm
> sure to screw up washing the engine!!

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:28:33 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Air suspension

I have air-lift bags. Basically the same. I run them at 80 lbs with my lance
camper
(820 about 3000+lbs fully loaded). At 65 lbs the truck would do this "porpise"
motion
on hardish acceleration on certain freeway sections. Pumping the bags up to
80, eliminated that.

I have a 99 SC short bed 4x4 PSD. My friend that has a 99.5 CC short bed 4x4
w PSD's does not do this with 65 lbs of air pressure in the bags.
We suspect the slightly longer wheel base is the reason.

I also have all the factory sway bars, and Rancho 9000's. The only time it's
still spooky to drive is when there's very high gusty cross winds, and I'm
going
too fast :-).

- -john

Note: I mounted the air filler nozzles in the fuel filler area. Keeps gunk from
getting
all over them, and I have pretty easy access when the camper's on, and the
truck's real dirty.


Harald wrote:

> I put the Firestone Ride rite air bags on my 99 F350 and love them. With
> 5psi in the bags while unloaded, the ride is no harsher than before. With
> 60 to 70 psi, my truck is back to level after loading my camper. The truck
> used to be back end low before I put the springs on. If you get in on a
> special at www.jcwhitney.com you can buy a set for about $200.
>
> Harald
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
> Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:40:16 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - what are the best products to detail the interior?

Here is a great site for cleaning and detailing products.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.emmonscoachworks.com/

They sell Zymol. The REAL Zymol, not that liquid Zymol junk (subcontracted
to Turtle Wax) you find at Wal-Mart. Zymol is one of, if not they best, wax
you can buy. An 8oz tub starts at about $30 (37% yellow carnauba) and goes
to more than $1000 (61% Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba).




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From: Joe Risser [mailto:jrisser ibm.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 9:13 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - what are the best products to detail the
interior?

I'm planning a do-it-yourself, complete detailing job on my brother's '92
Ford truck as a Christmas present. I've learned a lot by reading usenet
posts and websites about treating the exterior but am looking for advice on
detailing the interior.

What products do you all prefer to clean and protect fabric seats, carpets,
the dash, and doors?
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:52:56 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

I must agree. Unless you caking the inside with mud from off-roading, you're
in an area that uses tones of salt on the road during the winter, or you
show your truck, you shouldn't trouble yourself. Everyday driving and your
average dirt will not harm the exterior of your engine. But blasting it
with high pressure water and detergents certainly may. And cleansers can
cause the early deterioration of plastic and rubber components.

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From: Andthensometoo [mailto:andthensometoo usa.net]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 6:55 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

[Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo here
goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there done
this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?]
I heard from some one that got water in the spark plug "pockets"
And it was BIG trouble. The plugs are in there so deep, that a lot of water
can get in and remain there for a while.
I would probably avoid washing MY engine, Maybe just blow some dirt off with
air compressor. But then I do everything to excess, soap, wax, ect. so I'm
sure to screw up washing the engine!!


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:44:11 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event

The Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (AFTE), the non-profit
club made up of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (FTE) users, is holding
their first annual charity event (actually, their second, though
they were not yet organized as a club them).

This year, AFTE is raising funds for two causes:

1. a list member's son who is a paraplegic and could really
use a decent laptop with voice recognition software. He
became disabled last year and needless to say, he's not
in the best of spirits. I think we can bring a little
joy into his life.
2. the Georgia LoRiders, a long standing Ford truck club,
is raising money for the family of a child found in the
family swimming pool. The child is brain damaged and the
father must stay home to take care of him because the mother
is VERY pregnant. AFTE is going to donate any money left
over from item 1 to the Georgia LoRiders for this family.

There are three ways you can donate:

1. Send a check or money order to:
Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
re: Charity Drive
Box 562
Tecumseh, MI 49286-0562

2. Via credit card on the web. The FTE web site is set up
to take credit cards. We're going to add an item to the
cart for this. You'll be able to select any amount you
want. All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their
drive. The address is:
www.motorhaven.com

3. Via credit card on voice mail. FTE's phone number is
770-806-1955. Leave name on card, type of card, card
number, expiration date and amount to donate. Also,
PLEASE leave an address so we can mail a receipt to you.
All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their drive.
This number is busy in the evenings!

The laptop purchase receipt and the check cut to the
Georgia LoRiders will be scanned and placed on the web
site so everyone will know their donations were well
spent. There will be zero administration costs. All
money will be spent for the charity.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:46:38 -0600
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Econoline availability

I need to build another bucket truck, #8, a van would be best, cheapest.
I see a lot of Econolines on dealer lots with job furniture included at
no charge. I requested a search for one with 9500 GVW, none appeared,
lots of 8600 GVW. What is the difference between the E-250 8600 & E-350
9500? I assume the 250 has drum rear brakes (good, I hate my 4w disk),
would they be 3.5" wide drums? Would front brakes be the same? What
about spring ratings. Is the frame the same?
Can I order a 9500# with free job furniture? Has anyone seen one within
500 mi of upstate NY with 9500 GVW and the furniture?
Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:04 -0500
From: "Dave Shaffer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust in front of rear tire

Two months ago I bought a 97 F-150 SB Extended Cab with 24K on it. I
noticed it sitting on the Ford dealers lot that it had a brand spanking new
total exhaust system on it exiting behind the rear tire. I asked if the
truck had been wrecked and they said no, that the reason for the new
exhaust system was from a recall on some models that had the exhaust come
out in front of the rear tire. I was wondering the real reason behind this....

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