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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??
FTE 97up - Happy Holidays
FTE 97up - Detailing
RE: FTE 97up - Happy Holidays
Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??
Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??
Re: FTE 97up - Happy Holidays
Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.
FTE 97up - Overdrive Problem
FTE 97up - Re: 97up-what are the best products to detail the interior?
Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??
FTE 97up - Driveline Clunk
FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?
FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!
Re: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:08:24 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??

I have a 1999 F-250 SD, SC, longbed, 4X2. without camper
package. I've noticed with this same combination, pulling
5th wheels with pin weights of around 1600 to 1900#. They
all have a rear sag of around 2 to 3". Many I talk to it
doesn't seem to bother, but some of us it does. Question is
have any with this combination install an air lift type of
suspension to level the truck and does it do the job?? I
installed Hellwig helper springs which did an excellent job
of leveling the truck, but I do not like the rough ride when
trailer is unhitched.

Another question: Has anyone install an after market rear
stablizer? Why a pickup with trailer tow is sold without
one I'll never understand. Thanks for any input. Bill
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Date: 19 Dec 99 09:26:07 EST
From: Andthensometoo
Subject: FTE 97up - Happy Holidays

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Date: 19 Dec 99 09:37:16 EST
From: Andthensometoo
Subject: FTE 97up - Detailing

[What products do you all prefer to clean and protect fabric seats, carpe=
ts,
the dash, and doors?]
Well the best stuff I have found for carpets is "Resolve" carpet cleaner.=
I
once knocked over a whole can of wood stain on the carpet in a room that =
I was
going to redo anyway. Almost a year later,(yeah, I know what your thinkin=
) I
decied to see if it would clean up some. This stuff got it ALL out!! I ke=
ep
baby wipes in the truck to clean up those coffee spills as they occur. Ju=
st
keep using a new one, until the "wipey" looks clean after. I also use th=
em to
clean the dash when stopped for trains ect. Hey I would NEVER let a stain=

remain in the Truck for a year, Do ya think I'm NUTS?

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:34:49 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Happy Holidays

I have questions for andthensometoo and others on the list. I saw the
"shelf it" item on ATST's (AndThenSomeToo) website. It is a shelf that
installs in your existing visor mounts, and your visors in turn mount to it,
as I understand it. It provides a little storage space for small items
(sunglassed, remotes, maps, snacks, etc.) The questions: If you have one,
do you like it? Does it match your interior color and texture? Does it
appear cheap, or quality?

Thanks!
Penn

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:08:48 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??

>I have a 1999 F-250 SD, SC, longbed, 4X2. without camper
>package. I've noticed with this same combination, pulling
>5th wheels with pin weights of around 1600 to 1900#. They
>all have a rear sag of around 2 to 3". Many I talk to it
>doesn't seem to bother, but some of us it does. Question is
>have any with this combination install an air lift type of
>suspension to level the truck and does it do the job?? I
>installed Hellwig helper springs which did an excellent job
>of leveling the truck, but I do not like the rough ride when
>trailer is unhitched.

First question. Is the truck level. On my 99 F250 a drop of 2 or 3 inches
would result in a level rig, or does it drop two or three inches below
level?
Second question. Is the trailer level, if the front is down this could be
part of your problem.
Third question. How large an 5er are you towing. a pin weight of 1900 lbs
implies a very heavy trailer to me. Or possibly an imbalance in the load.
Have you weighed each axle of the trailer (they should normally carry
almost the same load)
Forth question. You say you don't have the camper packing, but do you have
the trailer towing packing? (engine cooling, trany cooling, etc). I think
(?) that the trailer package does include a spring option (doesn't it?)

Air bags -may- be the optimal solution as you can back the pressure off
when unhooked. Of course you are going to need to repump them when you
hitch, this implies you need a compressor with you.

If you have a local RV performance shop you might ask their advice (Locally
that would be Eric's in Squim Washington, but I doubt you live local to
them, not with an "8" area callsign)

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:10:18 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??

Ralph Lindberg wrote:
>
> >I have a 1999 F-250 SD, SC, longbed, 4X2. without camper
> >package. I've noticed with this same combination, pulling
> >5th wheels with pin weights of around 1600 to 1900#. They
> >all have a rear sag of around 2 to 3".
>
> First question. Is the truck level. On my 99 F250 a drop of 2 or 3 inches
> would result in a level rig, or does it drop two or three inches below
> level?
2 to 3" below level
> Second question. Is the trailer level, if the front is down this could be
> part of your problem.
If the pickup was level with the pin weight on it, the
pickup and trailer both would be level
> Third question. How large an 5er are you towing. a pin weight of 1900 lbs
> implies a very heavy trailer to me. Or possibly an imbalance in the load.
> Have you weighed each axle of the trailer (they should normally carry
> almost the same load)
30' fiberglass and full slideout
> Forth question. You say you don't have the camper packing, but do you have
> the trailer towing packing? (engine cooling, trany cooling, etc). I think
> (?) that the trailer package does include a spring option (doesn't it?)
I have the tow package, but do not have the extra spring or
stablizer bar included in the camper package.
> Air bags -may- be the optimal solution as you can back the pressure off
> when unhooked. Of course you are going to need to repump them when you
> hitch, this implies you need a compressor with you.
I would install a small 12v compress on board and usable
from a dash mounted control with pressure gauge.
> If you have a local RV performance shop you might ask their advice (Locally
> that would be Eric's in Squim Washington, but I doubt you live local to
> them, not with an "8" area callsign)
I've been talking to Air Lift in Lansing, Mi about 30 miles
from me, but I'd like to hear form users not sellers.
Your right I'm an 8 "Michigan" We towed about 8K last
summer, with no problems. I've towed for over 30 years. I'm
just not totally happy with the feel when towing.
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:20:35 EST
From: RSnovi

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Happy Holidays

In a message dated 12/19/99 6:42:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pennhead

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I think i am thinking about the same product but i dont know the web address
you are talking about, but Cablea's had the same thing.(50.) I was thinking
about getting it to mount my CB overhead and maybe a radar, a small space for
some other junk. I think also there is enough space for a small rifle, maybe?

Anyone else on the list got one?

RS

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I have questions for andthensometoo and others on the list. I saw the
"shelf it" item on ATST's (AndThenSomeToo) website. It is a shelf that
installs in your existing visor mounts, and your visors in turn mount to it,
as I understand it. It provides a little storage space for small items
(sunglassed, remotes, maps, snacks, etc.) The questions: If you have one,
do you like it? Does it match your interior color and texture? Does it
appear cheap, or quality?

Thanks!
Penn

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:47:24 -0800
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.

Will Ford replace the belt after the PU is out of warranty or do like they
have done regarding the exhaust in front of the rear wheel? Due to my
rotating the wheels regularly, the discoloring did not show up until I had
about 45K miles and I was SOL.

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:25:16 EST
From: Cop786

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Subject: FTE 97up - Overdrive Problem

On my 97 4.6L Auto, I am having some problems with the overdrive. At first I
thought it was the cruise control because on hills, it would downshift a
gear, but then once it reached flat ground again it wouldn't shift back into
overdrive. But it has now also done this with cruise off. Even when I let
off the pedal to try to get it to shift into OD it wont. I can cure this by
pressing the OD Off button, and then pressing it again to force it back into
overdrive. Had anyone else had this problem??
Thanks in advance for your help!
Chris Gerstner
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:10:47 +0100
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-what are the best products to detail the interior?

Formula 303 is the best I've found for vinyl, plastic, and rubber.

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> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:12:43 -0800
> From: Joe Risser
> Subject: FTE 97up - what are the best products to detail the interior?
>
> I'm planning a do-it-yourself, complete detailing job on my brother's '92
> Ford truck as a Christmas present. I've learned a lot by reading usenet
> posts and websites about treating the exterior but am looking for advice on
> detailing the interior.
>
> What products do you all prefer to clean and protect fabric seats, carpets,
> the dash, and doors?
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:14:22 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Lift suspenison ??

>If the pickup was level with the pin weight on it, the
>pickup and trailer both would be level

I think you missed the point, the trailer may be loaded front heavy. It
- -might- not be a truck problem

>> Third question. How large an 5er are you towing. a pin weight of 1900 lbs
>> implies a very heavy trailer to me. Or possibly an imbalance in the load.
>> Have you weighed each axle of the trailer (they should normally carry
>> almost the same load)
>30' fiberglass and full slideout
But what is the weight. Just guessing here but it is certainly possible
that you are also exceeding the design limit of the truck. This could also
be the problem. Without the height (not length) it's hard to tell.
And don't trust the weight that the dealer/builder -said- it is, they
have been know to lie, or otherwise 'understate' the weight (builders often
spec the dry weight -minus- options)

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:17:48 -0500
From: "Joel Michael Sturm"
Subject: FTE 97up - Driveline Clunk

Hi and Season's Greetings:

'97 4.2 2WD Auto 48,000KM

The truck has an intermittent driveline clunk--usually at the point of the
1-2 downshift or upshift.

My usually excellent dealer service person took the truck for a day and said
that he didn't notice anything.

Yet, I just came across 4 Service Bulletins dealing with "driveline clunk".

I was wondering if any of you fine people would share your experiences with
this driveline problem. What did it sound and feel like? What did the dealer
do to repair it? Has the fix lasted? How many times did you have to return
to the dealer to get it right?

My warrantee expired early in the new year, and I have some time off now, so
I certainly would appreciate the information.

Feel free to respond on the list, but an additional e-mail message would be
certainly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Joel Sturm

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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:35:20 EST
From: RRESTORE

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Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo here
goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there done
this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?

Thanks,
John Mc
'97 F150 Std. 4.6 Flareside
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:04:26 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

Good idea, done it, cover the wires and look at the owner's manual. As I
recall the manual tells you what to cover. There are a lot of electrical
devices which you do not want to get wet. I have found in the past that
foamy engine brite and a hose with a good spray nozzle are all it takes.
Patience while it drys is another thing entirely.

PS I found that I too have the now famous door cracks on my 98 F150.

Steve

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Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Washing?

> Hi all, did not get one response on my 4.6 engine cleaning idea soooo here
> goes again. I'd like to clean (power wash) my engine. Anyone out there
done
> this? Is it a good idea? Any special precautions?
>
> Thanks,
> John Mc
> '97 F150 Std. 4.6 Flareside
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:11:42 EST
From: RSnovi

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Subject: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!

Well i was on my way to south FL when i knew i had a small leak, which has
now turned into a big mess all over the back of my 99 F250SD powerstroke 4x4,
I can say it has been a nice truck up until this leak from the passenger side
of the motor and maybe rear main, i couldn't see real good(it was dark and
raining) w/25k on the clock, what a mess i am going to have to clean once i
get it fixed, hopefully tommorrow. Will keep you guys update on how the for
dealer treats a customer warranty work at a dealer that i did not buy the
truck at or know anyone personally there. I know i should have waited on
the trip, but i needed to get going.
Good thing i still have a spare car that was on the trailer i was pulling!

I never heard of anyone haveing any real problems with the powerstroke so
this kinda caught me off guard.

Anyone else on the list had any malfunctions like this?
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:56:00 -0900
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!

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From: RSnovi

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Subject: FTE 97up - powerstroke Valdeez!

>Well i was on my way to south FL when i knew i had a small leak, which has
>now turned into a big mess all over the back of my 99 F250SD powerstroke
4x4,
>I can say it has been a nice truck up until this leak from the passenger
side
>of the motor and maybe rear main,

I just got my 97, 4x4, PSD, CC back from the dealer. Went in at 34,734 MI,
been having a oil leak from the top, front of the engine and assorted other
problems steering, seat belts, dash rattles..

This is a new truck to me, and up in till last month the dealer had never
seen it or me. Well, they fixed the oil leak (high pressure oil pump),
replaced all the seat belts, replaced the lower steering shaft, right side
ball joints, tie rod ends, three pieces of dash trim, both A-pillar trim,
replaced the 4x4 light (which is the reason one side of the dash rattled,
but hey, so they made a mistake, they orderd the part with me having to say
a word) and generally just made me a pretty happy customer. Which I have no....

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