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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
RE: FTE 97up - Invoices for F-150's
RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
FTE 97up - comparison question.....
Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.
RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
Re: FTE 97up - comparison question.....
Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
FTE 97up - Identifying the 4R100 and 4R70W
Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.
FTE 97up - Fresh air filter in 97-99 f150
RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.
Re: FTE 97up - comparison question.....

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:56:50 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Thanks. I did do some calling around. I can't stand CircuitCity and Best
Buy doesn't carry Kenwood. One of the local sound shops "Custom Sounds"
wanted $150. I wanted them by Friday, so I ordered them last night, along
with a door panel tool, from Curtchfield. As always, that includes wire
adapters for the factory wiring and a detailed instruction sheet for
installation.

I know they can be a bit high on price sometimes, but I wanted them by
Friday and I really didn't see a better price here in town.

I'm going to install them this weekend. I'll put in one pair first and
using the fader I'll compare the factory set to the Kenwoods to see the real
different and If I don't like them I'll send them back. Another nice, easy
feature of Crutchfield. I look forward to reporting my results to the list.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: pennhead [mailto:pennhead bscn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:49 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Joe, Check out your local stereo shops for Christmas sales before placing
your order with Crutchfield. You may find a deal.

Regards,
Penn

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jmann living.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:09 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:52:44 -0700
From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Invoices for F-150's

The invoice cost is the so-called dealer cost, and they're supposed
to sell a vehicle somewhere between there and MSRP. But in reality, there
are many "incentives" that the dealer can earn to make more money off the
vehicle, even if he sells it "at cost." You can print out a rough version of
the invoice vs. MSRP for just about any new vehicle at www.kbb.com
. Thats the Kelly Blue Book site. I did it earlier
this year for our Dodge Durango, and it was right on. I guess there is
always the possibility that a dealer could sell a vehicle at a loss, but I
think no matter what, EVERYONE gets screwed to some extent in the new car
buying process.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bryan A. Dann [ mailto:bdann midohio.net ]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 16:54
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Invoices for F-150's


Helloooo,
The Ford dealers around here are advertising winter clearance sales on all
cars and trucks including the F-series. They are selling $500.00 under
invoice, what and how do I know they are showing me the correct invoice in
which they actually paid for the vehicle. I know they will show me a bogus
invoice, so what does the correct invoice look like. Thanks in advance!
Bryan


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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:09:59 -0700
From: Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

what size speakers are in a 1999 F-150 SC? I'm guessing 5x7 in the front.
and 6x9 in the rear?

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:57 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Thanks. I did do some calling around. I can't stand CircuitCity and Best
Buy doesn't carry Kenwood. One of the local sound shops "Custom Sounds"
wanted $150. I wanted them by Friday, so I ordered them last night, along
with a door panel tool, from Curtchfield. As always, that includes wire
adapters for the factory wiring and a detailed instruction sheet for
installation.

I know they can be a bit high on price sometimes, but I wanted them by
Friday and I really didn't see a better price here in town.

I'm going to install them this weekend. I'll put in one pair first and
using the fader I'll compare the factory set to the Kenwoods to see the real
different and If I don't like them I'll send them back. Another nice, easy
feature of Crutchfield. I look forward to reporting my results to the list.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: pennhead [mailto:pennhead bscn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:49 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Joe, Check out your local stereo shops for Christmas sales before placing
your order with Crutchfield. You may find a deal.

Regards,
Penn

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jmann living.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:09 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:40:12 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - comparison question.....

this is a question about the new chevys and the new fords.
chevy/gmc claim that having their peak torque at an rpm like 4000 or so,
gives the engine good pulling power throughout their powerband. they say the
new engines make 90% of their peak torque from 2000-5000rpm. the new 6.0
puts out 355ft-lbs 4000 rpm. the 6.8 l puts out i think around 420 or so
at like 2000 rpm give or take.
so, in theory if what gm/chevy says is true of their engines, the new
chevy/gm engines would be better for pulling than the fords.
but i have read in a few magazines, that the new gm/chevy engines don't have
enough low end torque.
does anyone on the list know anything else about this topic?
because around 4500rpm, my 4.6L (99 model), runs out of power, it just sounds
cool!! but the 4.8 i test drove in the 99 silverado kept building speed
above 4500 rpm. it seems like the new gm/chevy engines are made like
dragster engines.

i am right or wrong about this?.... having your peak torque at a low rpm is
better for towing and hauling?

i don't quite understand why gm/chevy would make engines peak out at 4000 rpm.
unless they want dragster trucks.

if anyone can fill my clueless self in on this i would be very thankful!!!

thanks
bill
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:36:24 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Shipping was $275, and oh yea, there was no sales tax charged because it
was an out-of-state transaction.

Since the engine is not an exact fit for the '67 'tang, there are also two
others to
try it on: an '88 GT 'tang and a '93 LX 'tang. There is even a '96 F-150 4x4
that is being considered. All would require a hood modification for the blower.

jmann living.com wrote:

> How much was shipping?? Heck, what was the total cost after delivery??
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:46:23 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.

i have a 99 f-150 4.6L 4x2 ext cab. i have the following concern.
when i start the engine, there is a loud squeal coming from what seems to be
the belt. i figure that this must mean i have a loose belt. the question
is, how do i fix it? as you look into the engine bay, on the left
side(pass. side), there is a tensioner pulley. do i tighten it there? or
just let the dealer get it done? with only approx 9000 miles on the engine,
should this be happening?

other than this squeal, everything else is great.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:54:40 -0600
From: Schmidt
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Just for grins, I'm wondering...

Would a Lightning engine bolt up to my '99 F150 SC with 4.2L V6/5-speed?
Could I use a T-5 from a mustang? I know that it "can" be done, just
wondering how hard it would be for a non-expert... Would I run into computer
problems, could the suspension hold the new engine, would I need to shorten
the driveshaft, etc. If so, this seems like the deal of the century- buy a
bottom of the line f150 like mine + $4K engine = $21K lightning?

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Charles Abraham
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!


Shipping was $275, and oh yea, there was no sales tax charged because it
was an out-of-state transaction.

Since the engine is not an exact fit for the '67 'tang, there are also two
others to
try it on: an '88 GT 'tang and a '93 LX 'tang. There is even a '96 F-150
4x4
that is being considered. All would require a hood modification for the
blower.

jmann living.com wrote:

> How much was shipping?? Heck, what was the total cost after delivery??
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:20:22 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Would it be incorrect to say that this motor might be worth $6000 by summer
of 2000. Considering that there would be no more left? Or is Ford likely to
make the same mistake twice, and over build for the 2000 Lightning?

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Shipping was $275, and oh yea, there was no sales tax charged because it
was an out-of-state transaction.

Since the engine is not an exact fit for the '67 'tang, there are also two
others to
try it on: an '88 GT 'tang and a '93 LX 'tang. There is even a '96 F-150
4x4
that is being considered. All would require a hood modification for the
blower.

jmann living.com wrote:

> How much was shipping?? Heck, what was the total cost after delivery??
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:28:08 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - comparison question.....

You have to go back to the marketing philosophy. The F150 and the 1500 Chevy
are essentailly passenger oriented not truck oriented. They are designed for
the guy/gal who want's a tuck but oh yeah, all opf the cool amenities and by
the way can it ride like a car?

It also spins out because the "1/2 tons share Chassis and running gear with
the soccer moms' suv.

Ford and Dodge have probably kept a bit more of the truck heritage in the 1/2
ton class, Gm has moved over more towards the passenger class and performance
with their new engine. Have not checked blately but last time I liiked, the
2500 and 3500 were still using the old mouse motor locks, 5.7 liter. That I
think says something past the sales hype that the new Vortecs are the
greatest thing since sliced bread.

The thing is, you can still get low speed power with proper gearing and that
I suspect is where GM heads with this. lower gearing in first and second for
the transmission should take care of any problems.

Remember also, that there is a move afoot to put the "1/2" ton trucks into
the CAFE computation. Corperate Average Fuel Economy if you will. Now you
need a more fuel efficient engine which the OH cams, better breathing engines
and lower displacement engines will give you.

Bottom line, you want a truck with Grunt, and a tow vehicle, go to the 3/4 -
1 tons. Want a comfortable daily driver with some occasional light haul
capability 1/2 ton.

The days of throwing a cord of firewood in the back of a 1/2 ton pickup and
not having it break are gone folks.

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:54 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Schmidt wrote:
>
> Just for grins, I'm wondering...
>
> Would a Lightning engine bolt up to my '99 F150 SC with 4.2L V6/5-speed?
> Could I use a T-5 from a mustang? I know that it "can" be done, just
> wondering how hard it would be for a non-expert... Would I run into computer
> problems, could the suspension hold the new engine, would I need to shorten
> the driveshaft, etc. If so, this seems like the deal of the century- buy a
> bottom of the line f150 like mine + $4K engine = $21K lightning?
>

It should bolt right up but your clutch would not hold out
for very long. A T-5 might fit if the bolt patterns fit but
the yoke would need some work along with the drive shaft and
I don't think the T-5 would hold up to the torque of the
motor. I think 350 lbs ft is the max. Doesn't the T-5 use
a cable clutch so more mods are needed. Heck if I had the
$$$ I would put it in my 00 F-150 SC 4x4 5 spd. Anybody
want to lend me $4000.00..... ;-)

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:14:52 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

I've got the money, but I would have to upgrade the 4R70W tranny to a 4R100
and beef up the transfer case, not to mention the diffs in the front and
back axles. I have a 00 F150 Lariat SC FlareSide 4x4. So if an SVT Motor
costs $4000 I wonder what a new SuperDuty PowerStroke 4R100 Tranny would
cost?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jean Marc Chartier [mailto:jmc.chartier sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:26 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Schmidt wrote:
>
> Just for grins, I'm wondering...
>
> Would a Lightning engine bolt up to my '99 F150 SC with 4.2L V6/5-speed?
> Could I use a T-5 from a mustang? I know that it "can" be done, just
> wondering how hard it would be for a non-expert... Would I run into
computer
> problems, could the suspension hold the new engine, would I need to
shorten
> the driveshaft, etc. If so, this seems like the deal of the century- buy a
> bottom of the line f150 like mine + $4K engine = $21K lightning?
>

It should bolt right up but your clutch would not hold out
for very long. A T-5 might fit if the bolt patterns fit but
the yoke would need some work along with the drive shaft and
I don't think the T-5 would hold up to the torque of the
motor. I think 350 lbs ft is the max. Doesn't the T-5 use
a cable clutch so more mods are needed. Heck if I had the
$$$ I would put it in my 00 F-150 SC 4x4 5 spd. Anybody
want to lend me $4000.00..... ;-)

Regards

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:49:42 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Identifying the 4R100 and 4R70W

How does one identify the 4R100 and 4R70W Transmissions? Mine has a small 4
square inch protrusion from the bottom of the tranny pan.

Joe

PS: someone told me how to id these trannies before I took delivery, but I
can seem to locate the message.

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:54:21 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.

Actually, I have a mild case of the same thing - a squeal from the belt
area. So I went to my buddy at the gas station, and he took-out the
stethoscope and touched it around (I thought it might be a bad alternator).
He determined that the problem was a "dry" or worn-out roller on the
tensioner pulley. Just one bolt to fix it. I am ordering the parts today.

Keith



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From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.


> i have a 99 f-150 4.6L 4x2 ext cab. i have the following concern.
> when i start the engine, there is a loud squeal coming from what seems to
be
> the belt. i figure that this must mean i have a loose belt. the question
> is, how do i fix it? as you look into the engine bay, on the left
> side(pass. side), there is a tensioner pulley. do i tighten it there? or
> just let the dealer get it done? with only approx 9000 miles on the
engine,
> should this be happening?
>
> other than this squeal, everything else is great.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:15:11 -0800
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fresh air filter in 97-99 f150

I found a foam filter under the dash of my 97 f150, located on the passenger
side, and was wandering if this filter, filters out incoming dust, from the
outside. It looks like its held in place by four screews, but cannot find
any referance to this filter in the manuals. Any help will be apprecaiated.

regards

Maximo D. Rivera
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:47:14 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Ditto on Circuit City. I also grow less fond of Best Buy with each visit.
Really depends on the purpose of the visit.

Crutchfield is top notch. Obtained a 8" powered Bazooka subwoofer tube from
them. Are you going with a sub in your P/U? I put a 6" JBL powered
subwoofer tube in my standard cab F150, utilizing the line level inputs and
tying into the factory rear speaker wiring. I let a pro do this. The
access point was under the passenger side door sill. The power is hardwired
w/fuse directly to the battery, and it switches on/off as it detects signal
to the speakers. The difference in sound is astounding.

Please do inform me of your results with the Kenwood eXcelon speakers. I
have a Kenwood eXcelon CD head unit in my Mitsu Montero Sport. That's also
where the Bazooka resides.

Regards,
Penn

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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 8:57 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Thanks. I did do some calling around. I can't stand CircuitCity and Best
Buy doesn't carry Kenwood. One of the local sound shops "Custom Sounds"
wanted $150. I wanted them by Friday, so I ordered them last night, along
with a door panel tool, from Curtchfield. As always, that includes wire
adapters for the factory wiring and a detailed instruction sheet for
installation.

I know they can be a bit high on price sometimes, but I wanted them by
Friday and I really didn't see a better price here in town.

I'm going to install them this weekend. I'll put in one pair first and
using the fader I'll compare the factory set to the Kenwoods to see the real
different and If I don't like them I'll send them back. Another nice, easy
feature of Crutchfield. I look forward to reporting my results to the list.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: pennhead [mailto:pennhead bscn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:49 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Joe, Check out your local stereo shops for Christmas sales before placing
your order with Crutchfield. You may find a deal.

Regards,
Penn

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jmann living.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:09 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:55:34 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Perhaps you can find this info at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com

I know their catalogs provide this info.

HTH,
Penn

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Fogg Michael S Amn
75 CS/SCM
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:10 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


what size speakers are in a 1999 F-150 SC? I'm guessing 5x7 in the front.
and 6x9 in the rear?

- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:57 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Thanks. I did do some calling around. I can't stand CircuitCity and Best
Buy doesn't carry Kenwood. One of the local sound shops "Custom Sounds"
wanted $150. I wanted them by Friday, so I ordered them last night, along
with a door panel tool, from Curtchfield. As always, that includes wire
adapters for the factory wiring and a detailed instruction sheet for
installation.

I know they can be a bit high on price sometimes, but I wanted them by
Friday and I really didn't see a better price here in town.

I'm going to install them this weekend. I'll put in one pair first and
using the fader I'll compare the factory set to the Kenwoods to see the real
different and If I don't like them I'll send them back. Another nice, easy
feature of Crutchfield. I look forward to reporting my results to the list.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: pennhead [mailto:pennhead bscn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:49 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Joe, Check out your local stereo shops for Christmas sales before placing
your order with Crutchfield. You may find a deal.

Regards,
Penn

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jmann living.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:09 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html



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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:58:39 EST
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

6x8 front and back, 5x7 will also fit

Jeff Craigmyle
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:54:57 -0500
From: Rob
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.

there is a tsb out for the 97's about this squeal at cold startup. the
fix is to replace the belt with a revised belt.

rob

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> Actually, I have a mild case of the same thing - a squeal from the belt
> area. So I went to my buddy at the gas station, and he took-out the
> stethoscope and touched it around (I thought it might be a bad alternator).
> He determined that the problem was a "dry" or worn-out roller on the
> tensioner pulley. Just one bolt to fix it. I am ordering the parts today.
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:46 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - engine squeal noise.
>
> > i have a 99 f-150 4.6L 4x2 ext cab. i have the following concern.
> > when i start the engine, there is a loud squeal coming from what seems to
> be
> > the belt. i figure that this must mean i have a loose belt. the question
> > is, how do i fix it? as you look into the engine bay, on the left
> > side(pass. side), there is a tensioner pulley. do i tighten it there? or
> > just let the dealer get it done? with only approx 9000 miles on the
> engine,
> > should this be happening?
> >
> > other than this squeal, everything else is great.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:54:20 -0500
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - comparison question.....

At 10:40 AM 12/16/99 EST, you wrote:
>this is a question about the new chevys and the new fords.
>chevy/gmc claim that having their peak torque at an rpm like 4000 or so,
>gives the engine good pulling power throughout their powerband. they say....


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