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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold
Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
RE: FTE 97up - Synthetics
Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
Re: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold
Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
RE: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold
RE: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
Re: FTE 97up - Securilock
Re: FTE 97up - Securilock?
Re: FTE 97up - Securilock
FTE 97up - Free Car & Driver Magazine Subscription
RE: FTE 97up - Securilock?
FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!
FTE 97up - Invoices for F-150's
FTE 97up - Pinging 4.6L
RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC
Re: FTE 97up - Pinging 4.6L
Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:30:24 -0500
From: Norm Hurst
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold

My 97 F150 SC SB 4.6L has a problem that is steadily getting worse. When I=
first start it, and the engine is idling, there is a noise like loose=
change in a dryer that comes from the engine. I doesn't sound like knock or=
pinging, but more like something loose banging around. It seems like it's=
coming more from the driver's side.

The noise gets less frequent as the engine warms up. It eventually goes=
away entirely, until the engine is cold again.

Anyone else have this?

- -Norm


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:23:59 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

I would think the long-neck oil filter on our trucks would be more vulnerable.
But your concerns are indeed valid. I asked myself the same questions prior to
purchasing a drain valve. And at the time there were few on this forum who had
experience with one to draw on. Now many here and on the Ford-Diesel web
site have one installed, and so far, no problems reported.

But, being the cautious person I am with any new technology, the old drain plug
remains stored in the glove compartment of my Super Duty. Just in case. That's
assuming there will be any threads left to screw it back into. Because what ever

takes out the drain valve is going to be real big.

"Suarez, William" wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I have a 99.5 F250SD with the PowerStroke. The Fumoto valve is about 3/4 of
> an inch "long" (if that) and the frame members and suspension components are
> alot closer to the ground than the valve.
>
> Any hit you took that would damage the valve would surely do the same damage
> to the pan if the valve wasn't installed.
>
> Check out the pictures on the web site at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Suarez
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us
> [mailto:RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 5:25 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - oil drain valve
>
> 1998 150SC5.4,Superchip,K&N,Gibson Catback,Hellwig helpersprings:
>
> has anyone installed the Fumoto oil drain valve in a 4x4,,,if so...do you
> have any problems with clearance,I use my truck in light farm work and have
> it out in the pasture and up and down creekbeds and want to make sure I
> won't tear the valve off and end up without any oil and too far from
> home...thanks for any help
> Richard Ballinger,Derby,Kansas
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:34:56 -0600
From: "Bill Bowen"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Synthetics

I've been using Mobil One in my '98 F-150's 4.6L for over a year now. In my
opinion, I haven't noticed any real increase in horsepower I can attribute
to it. I was under the impression the transmission fluid, Mercon V (I
think), is already synthetic...


> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:49:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: rambin iname.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Synthetics
>
> I have been told by a friend to switch to synthetics throughout, engine,
tranny, rear-end to increase horsepower. (HP measured at the rear tires) I >
read an article showing a significant increase on an automobile. I am
considering using Amsoil. They have great specs. Anyone tried this or other
> synthetics? How did it go?
>
> M.R.

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:48:51 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us wrote:
>
> 1998 150SC5.4,Superchip,K&N,Gibson Catback,Hellwig helpersprings:
>
> has anyone installed the Fumoto oil drain valve in a 4x4,,,if so...do you
> have any problems with clearance,I use my truck in light farm work and have
> it out in the pasture and up and down creekbeds and want to make sure I
> won't tear the valve off and end up without any oil and too far from
> home...thanks for any help
> Richard Ballinger,Derby,Kansas
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Richard,

Anything that sticks out 1/2-3/4" from the pan is more
prone to be knocked than just the pan bolt. I will not
install one on my 4x4.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:50:36 EST
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold

Sounds like the piston slap. Check to see if your engine is a windsor
engine, it will have a label on the passenger's side of the engine saying
"Windsor" or could check the vin code, if you have a 6 in the 8th position
in the vin code then you have a windsor. The piston slap only occurs in the
Windsor engines. You could also check the message boards for the sound of
the piston slap that someone posted to see if it sounds like yours. I have
a 97 4.6L and it was just diagnosed with the slap last week.

Chris


>From: Norm Hurst
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:30:24 -0500
>
>My 97 F150 SC SB 4.6L has a problem that is steadily getting worse. When I
>first start it, and the engine is idling, there is a noise like loose
>change in a dryer that comes from the engine. I doesn't sound like knock or
>pinging, but more like something loose banging around. It seems like it's
>coming more from the driver's side.
>
>The noise gets less frequent as the engine warms up. It eventually goes
>away entirely, until the engine is cold again.
>
>Anyone else have this?
>
>-Norm
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:30:41 -0500
From: roger e guilford
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

I've had the valve on my 98 5.4 4WD ORP for about a year and I love it. I can now
change oil in 15 minutes without spilling a drop. I got the valve with the nipple
extension so I can attatch a 3/8" ID hose to the valve.
Roger

Jean Marc Chartier wrote:

> RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us wrote:
> >
> > 1998 150SC5.4,Superchip,K&N,Gibson Catback,Hellwig helpersprings:
> >
> > has anyone installed the Fumoto oil drain valve in a 4x4,,,if so...do you
> > have any problems with clearance,I use my truck in light farm work and have
> > it out in the pasture and up and down creekbeds and want to make sure I
> > won't tear the valve off and end up without any oil and too far from
> > home...thanks for any help
> > Richard Ballinger,Derby,Kansas
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>
> Richard,
>
> Anything that sticks out 1/2-3/4" from the pan is more
> prone to be knocked than just the pan bolt. I will not
> install one on my 4x4.
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:30:00 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold

My truck does the same thing. 1998 5.4L


- -----Original Message-----
From: Norm Hurst [mailto:nhurst sarnoff.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 9:30 AM
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine rattle noise when cold


My 97 F150 SC SB 4.6L has a problem that is steadily getting worse. When I
first start it, and the engine is idling, there is a noise like loose change
in a dryer that comes from the engine. I doesn't sound like knock or
pinging, but more like something loose banging around. It seems like it's
coming more from the driver's side.

The noise gets less frequent as the engine warms up. It eventually goes
away entirely, until the engine is cold again.

Anyone else have this?

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:41:32 -0700
From: Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

do you have a web site for this fumoto drain??

- -----Original Message-----
From: roger e guilford [mailto:rgilfrd mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:31 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve


I've had the valve on my 98 5.4 4WD ORP for about a year and I love it. I
can now
change oil in 15 minutes without spilling a drop. I got the valve with the
nipple
extension so I can attatch a 3/8" ID hose to the valve.
Roger

Jean Marc Chartier wrote:

> RBalling distcrt18.state.ks.us wrote:
> >
> > 1998 150SC5.4,Superchip,K&N,Gibson Catback,Hellwig helpersprings:
> >
> > has anyone installed the Fumoto oil drain valve in a 4x4,,,if so...do
you
> > have any problems with clearance,I use my truck in light farm work and
have
> > it out in the pasture and up and down creekbeds and want to make sure I
> > won't tear the valve off and end up without any oil and too far from
> > home...thanks for any help
> > Richard Ballinger,Derby,Kansas
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>
> Richard,
>
> Anything that sticks out 1/2-3/4" from the pan is more
> prone to be knocked than just the pan bolt. I will not
> install one on my 4x4.
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:45:13 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Fumotovalve.com/

Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM wrote:

> do you have a web site for this fumoto drain??
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:03:17 -0500
From: "William J. Suarez"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - oil drain valve

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fumotovalve.com/

on 12/15/99 11:41 AM, Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM at
Michael.Fogg hill.af.mil wrote:

> do you have a web site for this fumoto drain??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: roger e guilford [mailto:rgilfrd mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:31 AM
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:09:02 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:59:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Securilock

>
> If your hardware store has a good selection of key blanks, you can (the
> hardware store I use carries Curtis Securilock blanks). The key can be
> programmed to your truck without the help of a dealer...like this:
>
> -Get the new key cut
> -Get together both original working Securilock keys
> -insert the first original key...turn to on, then off and then remove it.
> -insert the second original key...turn to on, then off and then remove it.
> -insert the new original key...turn to on, then off and then remove it.
>
> The new key will now be programmed for your truck. Note that you need two
> working keys. This is so someone who has one key (valet, etc) can't make a
> working copy of the key.
>
> Rob

True. However, some dealers load the database on the computer with bogus
keys, requiring one to use a programmer to load new key serial numbers in. :/

I am just wondering if there is an option just to have it not check the
serial at all.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:01:38 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Securilock?

>
> Not to be ignorant...But has anyone answered the question"CAN it be
> installed on a 99 Superduty? The key from my 98 Lincoln Town Car fit the
> ignition of my superduty, so is it possible to purchase and install the
> system? Replies can be directly to me to avoid repetitiveness. Thanks.
> Mike

The keys physically have the same wards -- a Securilock transponder key
will fit an older non-Securilock lock. However, the processing of this is
in the car's computer, and it would require a total replacement of the ECM,
which is expensive.

Better off with a clifford alarm and a keypad, IMHO, rather than trying to
bolt-on a computer that wasn't designed for the truck. (For example, engine
parameters are slightly different on newer 99's, so putting one on a 98 may
give wierd results.)
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:05:39 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Securilock

Thanks for the advice. If there isn't a way with the programmer, fool the
computer to think all keys have the correct serial number. =)

As for dealers loading bogus serial numbers, I heard that a while back on a
list (I think it was here, about a year or so ago) about some dealers loading
serial numbers on there so they could get money for using the programming
module.

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:22:50 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Free Car & Driver Magazine Subscription

It's me again with another free magazine subscription. No cost
or obligation. (If you took the earlier Motor Trend subscription, you
may have already received e-mail notification for this offer.)

The freebie is a one year subscription to Car & Driver magazine.

Happy Holidays!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sungift.com/erebunicandd


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:48:15 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Securilock?

I would love to know the same thing. I was EXTREMELY dissapointed that
Ford's efforts stop at the Super Duty's. I had a 95 jeep cheorokee that had
a better keyless entry system. You spend 35K for a truck and it is wide open
for theft! So I would add one if it could work. Does it?

dennis

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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:02 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Securilock?


>
> Not to be ignorant...But has anyone answered the question"CAN it be
> installed on a 99 Superduty? The key from my 98 Lincoln Town Car fit the
> ignition of my superduty, so is it possible to purchase and install the
> system? Replies can be directly to me to avoid repetitiveness. Thanks.
> Mike

The keys physically have the same wards -- a Securilock transponder key
will fit an older non-Securilock lock. However, the processing of this is
in the car's computer, and it would require a total replacement of the ECM,
which is expensive.

Better off with a clifford alarm and a keypad, IMHO, rather than trying to
bolt-on a computer that wasn't designed for the truck. (For example, engine
parameters are slightly different on newer 99's, so putting one on a 98 may
give wierd results.)
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:57:36 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

It's exactly as advertised, with a born on date of Nov. '99.
However, about tow inches too wide for the '67 Mustang.

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:43:20 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

Thats too bad! How about I drive to your place and take it off your hand
for $1,000. I'll try putting fitting it in my Crosley mini delivery van.
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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:08 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!


>It's exactly as advertised, with a born on date of Nov. '99.
>However, about tow inches too wide for the '67 Mustang.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:50:25 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

How much was shipping?? Heck, what was the total cost after delivery??


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From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 3:58 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - New Lightning Engine Arrived!

It's exactly as advertised, with a born on date of Nov. '99.
However, about tow inches too wide for the '67 Mustang.

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:54:09 -0500
From: "Bryan A. Dann"
Subject: FTE 97up - Invoices for F-150's

Helloooo,
The Ford dealers around here are advertising winter clearance sales on all
cars and trucks including the F-series. They are selling $500.00 under
invoice, what and how do I know they are showing me the correct invoice in
which they actually paid for the vehicle. I know they will show me a bogus
invoice, so what does the correct invoice look like. Thanks in advance!
Bryan


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:36:08 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Pinging 4.6L

I have been reading a lot about engine pinging under acceleration.

I have a 1998 F150 SC with the 4.6L engine with 20,000 miles. This engine
sometimes pings terribly under acceleration and also towing. Most noticeable
when trying to pass a car. It kind of sounds like older cars when the valves
would "rattle". But this is a kind of strage situation......If I drive it
and notice the pinging.....and it will ping everytime I accelerate (most
noticeable around 4000-45000 RPM).....then If I shut the engine down and let
it sit......and then drive again.....the pinging goes away. I am at a loss
as to why this engine is doing this. I always use 87 octane Chevron
gasoline. I have heard that anything above 87 may damage the emission
components such as Cats and oxygen sensor. I was just wondering if anyone
else has had this problem......JMC???? I have also heard of some folks
removing the "Otane Shorting BAR". What is this item and what does it do?
What are the pros and cons of removing it? Where is it located? Does it void
the warranty if it is removed? Should I bring it to the dealer and have them
remove it? i am not very fond of bring my truck to the dealer's service dept
unless I absolutely have to. Will this eventually damage the engine if not
resolved? Tim Alsop......what are your experiences with this problem?

Sorry for the long post......and also ......if this topic has been discussed
before......sorry for the duplication.

Ron


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:48:34 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

Joe, Check out your local stereo shops for Christmas sales before placing
your order with Crutchfield. You may find a deal.

Regards,
Penn

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of jmann living.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:09 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC


Jensen? Ooooo, that gets me excited. I think I'm going to pick up a couple
pairs of those Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X576C's.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball [mailto:granvill megsinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:13 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speaker upgrade for a 2000 F150 SC

The weak link is the radio!
The stock speakers are also made by Jensen.
Gene

Steve #1 wrote:

> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> > Speakers are the last thing you really need to upgrade !
> > Believe it or not you really need a better radio with amps.
> > I changed my radio to a nice Kenwood and MTX amps.
> > I also installed a sub woofer. And I used the stock premium
> > speakers that came in the truck!
> > Gene
> >
> > jmann living.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation for speaker upgrades in an F150
SuperCab?
> > > I don't want to do any cutting. Just Plug-n-Play,...loud and clear.
I've
> > > been looking at Crutchfield's site and they have a nice set of Kenwood
> > > eXcelon KFC-X576C 5"x7" 2-ways for 129.95 per set. Their sensitivity
is
> > > pretty good at 92dB. I'm thinking about a set for front and back.
> > >
> > > I have a Lariat with premium sound and a six disc changer, will new
> > > aftermarket speakers make it sound significantly better???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
>
> I completely disagree. In almost all stock audio systems, including the
F150,
> the speakers are the weak link and should be the first thing to replace.
>
> --
> Steve #1
>
> '99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
> '00 Focus ZX3
> '97 Mustang GT 4.6
> '87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/
>
> If you haven't scratched your truck off road, You're not doing it right.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:22:56 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Pinging 4.6L

Ronald Palmer wrote:
>
> I have been reading a lot about engine pinging under acceleration.
>
> I have a 1998 F150 SC with the 4.6L engine with 20,000 miles. This engine
> sometimes pings terribly under acceleration and also towing. Most noticeable
> when trying to pass a car. It kind of sounds like older cars when the valves
> would "rattle". But this is a kind of strage situation......If I drive it
> and notice the pinging.....and it will ping everytime I accelerate (most
> noticeable around 4000-45000 RPM).....then If I shut the engine down and let
> it sit......and then drive again.....the pinging goes away. I am at a loss
> as to why this engine is doing this. I always use 87 octane Chevron
> gasoline. I have heard that anything above 87 may damage the emission
> components such as Cats and oxygen sensor. I was just wondering if anyone
> else has had this problem......JMC???? I have also heard of some folks
> removing the "Otane Shorting BAR". What is this item and what does it do?
> What are the pros and cons of removing it? Where is it located? Does it void
> the warranty if it is removed? Should I bring it to the dealer and have them
> remove it? i am not very fond of bring my truck to the dealer's service dept
> unless I absolutely have to. Will this eventually damage the engine if not
> resolved? Tim Alsop......what are your experiences with this problem?
>
> Sorry for the long post......and also ......if this topic has been discussed
> before......sorry for the duplication.
>
> Ron
>
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