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97up-list-digest Monday, December 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 333



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - K&N noise
Re: FTE 97up - K&H Air Filter
FTE 97up - more questionss....
Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....
Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....
Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....
FTE 97up - a little question on torque and horsepower...
Re: FTE 97up - a little question on torque and horsepower...

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 07:20:09 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N noise

My vehicle didn't make the induction howl last year. I installed the FIPK
in November of 1998 and went through the entire Maine winter without this
occurring. I cannot tell you how annoying this is. I guess I will go back
to the stock setup. Something would have to change in the setup of the air
intake, I would think, for this to start happening all of a sudden like it
did. Are there any other 98', 4.6 owners who live in cold climates with the
FIPK?

Steve


> > I have had a K&N FIPK in my 98 F150 4.6L since last year. The engine
just
> > started making a loud resonating sound from the area of the induction
tube
> > on the FIPK. It occurs generally when I let off the gas to coast,
> > especially when coasting after cruising for a couple of minutes. The
> sound
> > will go away if I blip the throttle and will generally not reoccur until
I
> > cruise along again for a couple of minutes. Could it be the mass flow
air
> > sensor? I have tried disconnecting the battery to clear the computer
and
> I
> > checked the connections for the FIPK. Has anyone else experienced this
> > phenomenon?
>
> I have experienced the same problem with my '98 F150XLT SC FS 4.6 AT,
though
> it doesn't happen very often. Sounds similar to a belt slipping? I noticed
> the problem shortly after the K&N installation about a year ago. I wonder
if
> I was too generous with the first "charging" of the filter? About five
> months ago, a Ford mechanic friend warned me to be careful because excess
> oil could damage the mass air sensor. Since then, I've been applying the
oil
> sparingly. Maybe a good excuse to the wife for replacing the sensor with a
> Granatelli...
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:42:02 EST
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&H Air Filter

It does't really make a difference but since a normal filer will cost at
least $15 and have to be replaced frequently, it will pay for itself. For the
price of 3 filters you can have one that nevr needs replaced.

Jeff Craigmyle
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:26:08 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - more questionss....

Hey, how's everyone doing? i want to do a little common sense check on
myself here.
I have a 99 f-150 4.6L ext cab 4x2. it's got approx. 8650mi. the truck
runs strong and smooth. when i get on the gas, it goes great, but it seems
to lose power around 5000 rpm. it just seems to whine out, it sounds great
at this rpm range, just has all bark and no bite so to say. is this normal
for the triton engines to do this?
but to get to my questions, when i start the truck it has a squealing sound
at idle which lasts for a few minutes. it's probably a loose belt, but isn't
it kind if early in my engine's life for a loose belt? i was also wondering
about something a friend had told me a while back. he was saying that if you
step on the gas hard and revv it up quickly, the engine driven pulleys can
expand and contract and loosen up belts, timing chains, etc. i was wondering
how true this is?
also, i am in oklahoma(tinkerafb), and doesn't get as cold here as it ever
did back home(pa). what is the best weight oil to run down here for peak
engine performance? i am currently running pennzoil 5w-30. i know that the
smaller the "x"w number the thicker the oil, but what does the "30" number
represent?
is it also true that if you run a higher octane gas(89 or 93 vs87), you will
burn up the plugs quicker?

i apologize for the book, it's just that i have been told many different
stories from different people. just trying to clarify and get the truth.

tia
bill
(hoping to see snow soon)
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:00:53 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....

TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey, how's everyone doing? i want to do a little common sense check on
> myself here.
> I have a 99 f-150 4.6L ext cab 4x2. it's got approx. 8650mi. the truck
> runs strong and smooth. when i get on the gas, it goes great, but it seems
> to lose power around 5000 rpm. it just seems to whine out, it sounds great
> at this rpm range, just has all bark and no bite so to say. is this normal
> for the triton engines to do this?
> but to get to my questions, when i start the truck it has a squealing sound
> at idle which lasts for a few minutes. it's probably a loose belt, but isn't
> it kind if early in my engine's life for a loose belt? i was also wondering
> about something a friend had told me a while back. he was saying that if you
> step on the gas hard and revv it up quickly, the engine driven pulleys can
> expand and contract and loosen up belts, timing chains, etc. i was wondering
> how true this is?
> also, i am in oklahoma(tinkerafb), and doesn't get as cold here as it ever
> did back home(pa). what is the best weight oil to run down here for peak
> engine performance? i am currently running pennzoil 5w-30. i know that the
> smaller the "x"w number the thicker the oil, but what does the "30" number
> represent?
> is it also true that if you run a higher octane gas(89 or 93 vs87), you will
> burn up the plugs quicker?
>
> i apologize for the book, it's just that i have been told many different
> stories from different people. just trying to clarify and get the truth.
>
> tia
> bill
> (hoping to see snow soon)
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Bill,

It is normal for the tritons to loose power at 5000 rpm.
Have your Dealer look at the belt, that is not normal. The
pulleys do not expand nor contract. 5W30 is what Ford
recommends. 5 is the low temperature rating and the W means
that it meets the requirement. The 30 is the high
temperature requirement. I do not believe that higher
Octane burns up plugs quicker but then I could be wrong.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:53:46 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....

I can't say I hope to see snow soon, but, my 98' 4.6L has had a belt squeal
problem from the gitgo. I have had to replace the belt three times in
26,000 miles because they get "shiny" and squeal. The dealer told me that
they wouldn't change it any more and that it was a normal occurrence with
the F150s and F250s. When I asked the same question of this bulletin board
they said it was anything but normal for them. I have no answer for you but
I would get it changed as often as possible by the dealer. Once the
warranty runs out I guess they'll be happy to change it for you.

Steve

> but to get to my questions, when i start the truck it has a squealing
sound
> at idle which lasts for a few minutes. it's probably a loose belt, but
isn't
> it kind if early in my engine's life for a loose belt? i was also
wondering
> about something a friend had told me a while back. he was saying that if
you
> step on the gas hard and revv it up quickly, the engine driven pulleys can
> expand and contract and loosen up belts, timing chains, etc. i was
wondering
> how true this is?
> bill
> (hoping to see snow soon)
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:09:22 -0900
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - more questionss....


>I can't say I hope to see snow soon, but, my 98' 4.6L has had a belt squeal
>problem from the gitgo. I have had to replace the belt three times in
>26,000 miles because they get "shiny" and squeal. The dealer told me that
>they wouldn't change it any more and that it was a normal occurrence with
>the F150s and F250s.

FIND a new dealer. Or make a very real threat to, and let him know you will
make the same suggestion to all you know, work with, talk to, write to, are
on internet lists with. Let them know if they can or worst will not not
honor the manufactures warranty, "Bumper to Bumper for 36k" that in your
opinion, they are not an honest dealer and all who you can reach will be so
informed. Loosing your business is not that big a deal to the dealer,
loosing the business of 4 or 5 of your friends, and 1 or 2 of there friends,
and 1 of there friends.. Now that starts to worry them.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:26:48 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - a little question on torque and horsepower...

ok, back to this again. in a truck, you want low rpm torque. i would think
that you would want most of the torque made in an engine from 1500-3500 rpm.
what i don't understand is why gmc/chevy engineers build engines with torque
peaking around 4000 rpm. you need alot of torque at a low rpm, because
torque is what gets the wheels moving from the start. horsepower keeps the
vehicle moving and determines how quickly it will accelerate once it is
already moving along.
i really hope someone can give me some insight as to why car makers would
want to make engines for trucks with torque peaks at such high rpms.
the only vehicles i have seen benefit from high rpm peak torque is vehicles
built for speed, like dragsters.

i just wanna know why i guess.

bill
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:05:43 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - a little question on torque and horsepower...

From my understanding, Chevy runs the crap out of their engines to get high
horsepower numbers. This comes at expense of longevity and low-end torque.
You'll see every Chevy truck advertisement talk about their 300HP standard
(vs. Ford 240 and Dodge 265). Of course, go compare the torque and the
power curves, and the Ford wins every time.

Chevys will run faster and accelerate better from high speeds, but they
don't have the pull at low speed without really running the crap out of the
engine.

Terry

At 09:26 PM 12/12/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>ok, back to this again. in a truck, you want low rpm torque. i would think
>that you would want most of the torque made in an engine from 1500-3500 rpm.
> what i don't understand is why gmc/chevy engineers build engines with torque
>peaking around 4000 rpm. you need alot of torque at a low rpm, because
>torque is what gets the wheels moving from the start. horsepower keeps the
>vehicle moving and determines how quickly it will accelerate once it is
>already moving along.
>i really hope someone can give me some insight as to why car makers would
>want to make engines for trucks with torque peaks at such high rpms.
>the only vehicles i have seen benefit from high rpm peak torque is vehicles
>built for speed, like dragsters.
>
>i just wanna know why i guess.
>
>bill
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