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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Induction Noise
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Induction Noise
FTE 97up - Re: Engine Replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
FTE 97up - (piston slap) the sound
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - (piston slap) the sound
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Ford trucks

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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:40:44 EST
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Induction Noise

Where would I be able to see a price and details of this Jacobs Electronics
Mileage Master ignition with 8mm plug wires?


>From: "Bill Bowen"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Induction Noise
>Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:56:39 -0600
>
>Thanks for the tip. I'll try it this weekend. And I kept telling the wife
>there was a good reason for keeping that "old stuff"...
>
>A Granatelli Motor Sports Mass Airflow Sensor is advertised in Performance
>Products Ford catalog for $264.10. They claim one is "an easy, bolt-on way
>to pick up a noticeable 10 to 15 rearwheel horsepower". I've been wanting
>to
>put one on my truck but haven't found the $$$ around the Christmas season.
>I've already installed, in order, a K&N FIPK, a Flowmaster dual exhaust, a
>JET Ford Performance module, and a Jacobs Electronics Mileage Master
>ignition with 8mm plug wires all in the pursuit of "mileage (wife) and
>performance (me)". So far, I've managed to increase highway mpg from 17 to
>20. City mpg has been hard to measure due to "lead foot syndrome" but seems
>to be around 14. The Jacobs was the most noticeable modification
>performance-wise. Now the truck is very responsive and accelerates at a
>high
>rate. Lots of fun...
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:49:14 -0600
> > From: "Doug Pogatetz"
> > Subject: FTE 97up - K&N noise
> >
> > I have a 1997 F150 with the 4.6 and I put a K&N filter charger kit on
>it.
>I had
> > no problems with in the beginning. Then it started making a howling
>noise.
>This
> > happened at low rpms or idling. I talked with K&N and this is what it
>tuned out
> > for me. I live in the Chicago area and this would only happen in the
>winter. I
> > originally left off the stock plastic bypass box that was on the stock
> > installation. I had just run a rubber hose for the K&N installation. By
>splicing
> > the plastic bypass box into that hose the noise disappeared. During cold
>weather
> > the recirculation is fast enough to create a howling noise. The box in a
> > resonator type thing which disrupts the air flow enough to stop the
>noise.
> >
> > Will a Granatelli (is this an after market mass air flow sensor) help
> > performance or mileage and what is the cost?
> >
> > Doug
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:35:55 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

They are remanufactured if they need it or not, meaning every engine gets
line bored, all bearings replaced, it is as good as a new engine. It is
basically a new engine with a used block. If you get a long block, the
heads are completely gone through also.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)


>
> Hi Nathan,
>
> Thanks for the response.
> Do you know if the Ford reman. engines are built
> from the block up? (Everything but block replaced)
> Or are they just replacing pistons, or whatever
> is going bad, and leaving rest as is? (Hope not)!
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:07:50 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Induction Noise

In a message dated 99-12-08 22:56:09 EST, you write:


do it! Granatelli is a good guy, i know him personally. If your not happy
with it after give him a call.

RS


Thanks for the tip. I'll try it this weekend. And I kept telling the wife
there was a good reason for keeping that "old stuff"...

A Granatelli Motor Sports Mass Airflow Sensor is advertised in Performance
Products Ford catalog for $264.10. They claim one is "an easy, bolt-on way
to pick up a noticeable 10 to 15 rearwheel horsepower". I've been wanting to
put one on my truck but haven't found the $$$ around the Christmas season.
I've already installed, in order, a K&N FIPK, a Flowmaster dual exhaust, a
JET Ford Performance module, and a Jacobs Electronics Mileage Master
ignition with 8mm plug wires all in the pursuit of "mileage (wife) and
performance (me)". So far, I've managed to increase highway mpg from 17 to
20. City mpg has been hard to measure due to "lead foot syndrome" but seems
to be around 14. The Jacobs was the most noticeable modification
performance-wise. Now the truck is very responsive and accelerates at a high
rate. Lots of fun...
>>
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:10:37 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Replacement (piston slap)

Nathan,

My dealer gives a little bit better deal on service work such as replacing a
major component. I got a warranty of 12 months or 12,000 miles. So, if the
total truck warranty had a 100 miles to go, the replacement engine would be
in warranty for 11,900 miles after the truck warranty expired. Or, at least
that's the way it was explained to me when my tranny was replaced.

Butch

Nathan wrote: The Ford Reman engines have been good engines. The Warranty
remains the same, you should have the remainder of your 2 year or until 36K
miles. Many people don't realize that if you got a new engine at 35,900
miles, it would only have a 100 mile warranty and wouldn't extend out again.
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:34:25 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Replacement (piston slap)

Technically no. Your dealer is talking about the normal "Service Part
Warranty" which is 12 months or 12,000 miles. When the repair is paid by
Ford under your new vehicle warranty you don't get a service part warranty.
Many dealers don't know this. It isn't really a factor, we've never had one
brake again making this an issue, and if your the original owner, you can
get a after waranty adjustment if you had problems, however, you have no
documented warranty that will guarantee warranty after the 36K. Thats the
reason I recomend buying from your servicing dealer. I won't help anyone
thats over 36K miles unless I sold them the truck. Dealers loose money on
warranty work, and if didn't sell the truck, I'll be darned if I'd try to
help you get extended warranty.

Nathan
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Engine Replacement (piston slap)


> Nathan,
>
> My dealer gives a little bit better deal on service work such as replacing
a
> major component. I got a warranty of 12 months or 12,000 miles. So, if
the
> total truck warranty had a 100 miles to go, the replacement engine would
be
> in warranty for 11,900 miles after the truck warranty expired. Or, at
least
> that's the way it was explained to me when my tranny was replaced.
>
> Butch
>
> Nathan wrote: The Ford Reman engines have been good engines. The
Warranty
> remains the same, you should have the remainder of your 2 year or until
36K
> miles. Many people don't realize that if you got a new engine at 35,900
> miles, it would only have a 100 mile warranty and wouldn't extend out
again.
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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:39:42 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

My daughter's Expedition in scheduled for engine replacement this week.
She's still being told it a new engine by the dealership, which I doubt it is,
based on posts here by Nathan and others.

I've got a question: What about a dealership's extended warranty, five years
100K miles (I think), would it cover the "new" engine just as though it was
still the old one?

My daughter purchased the dealership's own, extended warranty plan, when
she bought the truck from them new.

Union Auto wrote:

> They are remanufactured if they need it or not, meaning every engine gets
> line bored, all bearings replaced, it is as good as a new engine. It is
> basically a new engine with a used block. If you get a long block, the
> heads are completely gone through also.
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vaughn (VDB)
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
>
> >
> > Hi Nathan,
> >
> > Thanks for the response.
> > Do you know if the Ford reman. engines are built
> > from the block up? (Everything but block replaced)
> > Or are they just replacing pistons, or whatever
> > is going bad, and leaving rest as is? (Hope not)!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vaughn
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:36:55 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

Thanks, I was not trying to be "pedantic" but wanted to remind everyone that
removing the oil filler cap is an important action often forgotten by both
home and gas-station oil changers.

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak


> Well I first open the hood.
>
> Yes, I remove the filler cap - and even the dipstick as well. I kept my
> "sequence of events" confined to what I may be doing different or new to
> another on this forum.
>
> Keith Veren wrote:
>
> > I hope the first thing you do is remove the oil-filler cap so air can
enter
> > the engine and allow the oil to flow out freely without forming a
vacuum!
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > >My oil changing sequence of events goes like this: loosen filter, place
> > > drain pan under filter, make hole in filter and allow to drain (take a
> > little time
> > > so I
> > > do this first), while filter is draining I move on to the oil valve
with
> > four, one
> > > gallon
> > > bottles (or a five gallon bucket), and start draining the oil pan. By
the
> > time I'm
> > > done
> > > here the filter has drained and is ready to be removed.
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:00:36 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...

I don't know about the F-series, but I had an E-300 Ford Van ('72, I
believe), and the Van series went E-100, E-200 and E-300 (1-ton), just like
pick-ups.

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...


> It was in '75 I believe that the F150 started production. I had bought an
> F100 that year and kicked myself after for not going with the F150. The
> F100 had the cat converter, ran unleaded gas and had the restricted fuel
> filler opening. The F150 used leaded gas. I'm not sure if you mean from
> your post that the F250 and F350 started production the same time as the
> F150. If so you'd be incorrect. The F250 was being made at least as far
> back as 1961. I don't remember ever seeing, or hearing of, a F200 or F300.
> If they made 'em it was prior to the sixties. Anyone know?
>
> At 08:55 PM 12/7/99 EST, you wrote:
> >You are right, the terms 1/4 ton, 1/2t ton and so forth don't mean a lot
in
> >todays market. Back when the model designations were F100, F200, F300 it
> >meant something close to those numbers. I was I believe around 1978 when
> the
> >emmissions standards suddenly got stiffer. If you had a vehicle over 5/8
> ton
> >the restrictions were eased considerably. So, the 150 class was born, all
> the
> >model numbers jumped accordingly and it's been with us ever since.
> >
> >John G
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> >
> Paul St.Yves
> Westport, MA
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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:18:33 PST
From: "Scott Simpson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

I'd like someone to describe 'piston slap'for me as I'm not familiar with
it!

Scott
'99 F250LD 5.4.


>From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)
>Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:10:04 4
>
> Had my SD at the dealers over night for
> them to listen for the "piston slap"
> problem. Picked it up tonight and was
> told they are ordering a new engine.
>
> Its going to take 8-10 weeks to get
> and 2-3 days to install.
> They said its a remanufactured engine.
> I'm hoping its as good as a "new" engine.
> I'm not sure if they extend warranty on the
> new engine or not. I still have 2 years
> left on my initial warranty.
>
>
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT4X4 5.4
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:51:03 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - (piston slap) the sound


missed this thread at some point, sorry. Alan>>


The best way I can put it (the sound) is
if your truck sounds anything like a Diesel
when you start it up cold, like in the morning.
You hear a kind of "rattle" like a Diesel.

When I dropped it off at the dealership I just
wrote down that it "sounds like a Diesel
when cold start in morning", and they picked
the sound right up.

I had for the longest time let it go
cause it sounded like it was just the
exhaust rattling/vibrating but this
past week I was up north with my cousin,
and the morning we left I started it to warm
it up, and my cousin is giving me this weird
look and says "what the hell is that?"

So I decided, what the heck I'll take it
to the dealer, not expecting much and
Bingo, new engine!

Hope that helped
Vaughn

99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:00:51 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

Thanks for the info Nathan.

Vaughn




They are remanufactured if they need it or not, meaning every
engine gets line bored, all bearings replaced, it is as good as
a new engine. It is basically a new engine with a used block.
If you get a long block, the heads are completely gone through
also.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)


>
> Hi Nathan,
>
> Thanks for the response.
> Do you know if the Ford reman. engines are built
> from the block up? (Everything but block replaced)
> Or are they just replacing pistons, or whatever
> is going bad, and leaving rest as is? (Hope not)!
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 17:43:34 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - (piston slap) the sound

If you go to the F-150 Online Message Board, there is a post that has a
downloadable audio file of the actual noise.

//JQ

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:27:23 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

pardon my stupidity, but what is the difference between a long block and a
short block? or did i just answer my own question?

thanks, bill
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:13:46 -0900
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)

- -----Original Message-----
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine replacement (piston slap)


>pardon my stupidity, but what is the difference between a long block and a
>short block

A long block is; typically a complete motor except sheet metal
Short block is; a block, reciprocating assembly (crank, pistons, rods,
harmonic balancer) timing set, may come with water pump.

Exact components and completeness depends on the builder.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78....


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