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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...
Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...
FTE 97up - 4.2 V6 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...
Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...
FTE 97up - update on 99 F250 oil leak
FTE 97up - Idle Speed

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 07:35:41 EST
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

Where can I get pricing for the gears(ring & pinion & install kits) for
those Ford Motorsport brands? I'm looking to(in the distant future) to
change out the gears in my front and rear, both are 8.8 3.55LS.

TIA,
Chris


>From: Rob Bryan
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
>Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:10:20 -0800
>
>JMC,
>
>Did the RABS sensor, wiring, or plug get damaged when the rear axle was
>taken apart to install the new gears? Or maybe the RABS exciter ring had a
>tooth or two knocked off. That would seem to explain the problems after
>swapping the gears. FWIW, Ford Motorsport sells 4.11 ring and pinion sets
>for the '97-2000 F-150/Expy/Nav, so they should work... In any case, gear
>swaps worked without problem on the '92-'96 trucks with a similar setup.
>
>Rob
>
> > From: Jean Marc Chartier
> > Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:56:15 -0500
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
> >
> > Rob Bryan wrote:
> >>
> >> Strange, I have yet to hear of a problem switching gear ratios on a
>'99+.
> >> These trucks generate their speedo signal from the RABS sensor (like
>the
> >> '92-'96 trucks did). Since this sensor is unaffected by changes in gear
> >> ratio (only tire diameter will change what this sensor picks up), you
> >> shouldn't have to recalibrate anything when switching only gear ratios
>on
> >> these models. Since '97 and '98 models generate the speedo signals from
>a
> >> VSS located on the transmission or transfer case, these will need a new
>gear
> >> installed on the VSS to get the speedo calibrated correctly.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > You have a valid point, that I can not explain but I will
> > try to figure it out and get back to you. My friend's 99
> > f-150 has 4.10 gears (dealer installed)and the speedo and
> > shift points were all screwed up. It would seem that the
> > gear in the tranny must still used along with the RABS
> > sensor, but upon inspection of the tranny he said that there
> > was no VSS on the tranny. The dealer has tried many times
> > to recalibrate to no avail. All the computer should need to
> > know is the number of teeth on the sensor ring and the tire
> > size.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:31:12 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

The valve comes with a thick, non metallic washer that compresses quite well
to conform to any irregularity that might exist at the oil drain hole. So if your
problem is there it should stop the leak.

Tip on installing the valve: 1st, from under the hood, remove the oil filler cap
and put the hose/nozzel of a shop-vac in the oil filler tube and turn on the
shop-vac,
this will prevent any oil from draining out when the drain plug is removed, 2nd,
now
from underneath, remove the oil plug and install the new valve.

I also use my cordless drill to make a small hole in the oil filter to drain it
before
removal. My oil changing sequence of events goes like this: loosen filter, place
drain pan under filter, make hole in filter and allow to drain (take a little time
so I
do this first), while filter is draining I move on to the oil valve with four, one
gallon
bottles (or a five gallon bucket), and start draining the oil pan. By the time I'm
done
here the filter has drained and is ready to be removed.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-12-06 11:41:41 EST, you write:
>
> Well i ordered one of the valves today , I saw they had them about 10.
> cheaper then some others, by getting them direct. But in the mean time i put
> in a new plug and washer, and as Bobby Bowden would say, "Da gum it, the darn
> thing is still leakin", It looks to be coming from right corner of pan the
> first time i was under R&R'n the plug and washer , but later tonight i will
> slide under with the brand new Mag lite, for better inspection. It still
> seems to be leaving a puddle about the size of small pail. I dont want to
> have to put it back in the E.R.
>
> RS
>
>
> Date: 99-12-06 11:41:41 EST
> From: abrahamc agcs.com (Charles Abraham)
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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> I second William. Only I think the price went up. Here's their web site,
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Fumotovalve.com/
>
> "Suarez, William" wrote:
>
> > Perhaps it's time to get one of the Fumoto drain valves and not worry about
> > removing the plug again. At $18.00 it's one of my smarter investments.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of RSnovi aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:13 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
> >
> > where is the best place to get those stupid copper washers for oil drain?
> i
> > am at 24K and she is starting to Valdez. I noticed a lil puddle underneath
> > yesterday.
> >
> > RS
> > 99F250 PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:21:32 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

Rob Bryan wrote:
>
> JMC,
>
> Did the RABS sensor, wiring, or plug get damaged when the rear axle was
> taken apart to install the new gears? Or maybe the RABS exciter ring had a
> tooth or two knocked off. That would seem to explain the problems after
> swapping the gears. FWIW, Ford Motorsport sells 4.11 ring and pinion sets
> for the '97-2000 F-150/Expy/Nav, so they should work... In any case, gear
> swaps worked without problem on the '92-'96 trucks with a similar setup.
>
> Rob
>

Rob,

Thanks for the suggestion I will ask him to look into it.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:29:08 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

Put a shop vac hose over the oil fill plug and turn it on??? ARE YOU
NUTS????

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:12:54 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

I hope the first thing you do is remove the oil-filler cap so air can enter
the engine and allow the oil to flow out freely without forming a vacuum!

Keith


>My oil changing sequence of events goes like this: loosen filter, place
> drain pan under filter, make hole in filter and allow to drain (take a
little time
> so I
> do this first), while filter is draining I move on to the oil valve with
four, one
> gallon
> bottles (or a five gallon bucket), and start draining the oil pan. By the
time I'm
> done
> here the filter has drained and is ready to be removed.
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:15:37 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...

i was wondering if anyone on the list could answer a question. i want to
know what the 1/4 ton, 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton, etc. ratings on a truck
mean. i know it's not payload capacity, and no one that i have talked to
seems to know what it is either.

thanks for any help.
bill
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:55:56 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...

You are right, the terms 1/4 ton, 1/2t ton and so forth don't mean a lot in
todays market. Back when the model designations were F100, F200, F300 it
meant something close to those numbers. I was I believe around 1978 when the
emmissions standards suddenly got stiffer. If you had a vehicle over 5/8 ton
the restrictions were eased considerably. So, the 150 class was born, all the
model numbers jumped accordingly and it's been with us ever since.

John G
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:40:40 -0500
From: Tony & Lisa Petty
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2 V6 Engine

At 205 horsepower, the new V6 definitely has more horsepower than the old
straight 6 which had about 145-150 hp. In fact it has more hp than the old
5.0 V8 and equals the old 5.8 V8 (but not the torque of course). I bought a
'99 V6 SuperCab mainly for the lower upfront cost of the V6. I don't tow
anything, and in suburban Atlanta driving and trips around Georgia, hills
and flat, I have been very pleased with its performance. As for
reliability, the 4.2 V6 is based on the 3.8 V6 that was installed in a lot
of Ford cars and the Windstar. My parents had a 1984 Mercury Cougar with
the 3.8 V6 they had 10 years with no engine problems before selling, and my
brother has an '86 Capri 3.8 V6 still running, pushing 200,000 miles with
no problems, so I hope the 4.2 V6s do the same!

>
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:51:07 -0800 (PST)
>From: Andy Buck
>Subject: FTE 97up - Triton engines
>
>Please excuse a new subscriber question, or send me to
>the archives:
>
>I have a '93 e-150 with the 4.9L 6. Should I go with
>the V6 or small V8? I drive around southern new
>england mostly (not that hilly), half highway, half
>city. Other than low speed torque, is there any
>advantage to the V8? And what is the general consensus
>on quality/power/reliability of the new V6 vs the old
>straight 6?
>
>Thanks!
>Andy
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:01:41 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...

>You are right, the terms 1/4 ton, 1/2t ton and so forth don't mean a lot in
>todays market. Back when the model designations were F100, F200, F300 it
>meant something close to those numbers. I was I believe around 1978 when the
>emmissions standards suddenly got stiffer. If you had a vehicle over 5/8 ton
>the restrictions were eased considerably. So, the 150 class was born, all the
>model numbers jumped accordingly and it's been with us ever since.

Not exactly, Since the old F100 was called the 1/2 ton and the F150 the
5/8's. Infact the old F1's were also called 1/2 ton. The actual naming of
them that dates back to the first trucks. Like all pickups it seems like
the ratings for each model change. I wouldn't at all be surprised that the
99F250-SD has a higher GVW rating then the 97F250-HD.
I recall some year back my cousin getting a new C30 (bare frame) when we
took the cattle box off the old C30 we both noted how much heavier the new
frame was then the old (and the springs, and the...)

In reality the 'name' (1/2 ton) means little though, my Nissan is rated
for a 1/2 ton (1000 lbs), and it's nearly 20 years old.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:14:36 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pickup truck ratings...

In a message dated 99-12-08 00:04:36 EST, you write:


no kidding, i remember i think when toyota commercials used to lay claim to
being 1 ton, what a joke.

RS


Date: 99-12-08 00:04:36 EST
From: n7bsn amsat.org (Ralph Lindberg)
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>You are right, the terms 1/4 ton, 1/2t ton and so forth don't mean a lot in
>todays market. Back when the model designations were F100, F200, F300 it
>meant something close to those numbers. I was I believe around 1978 when
the
>emmissions standards suddenly got stiffer. If you had a vehicle over 5/8
ton
>the restrictions were eased considerably. So, the 150 class was born, all
the
>model numbers jumped accordingly and it's been with us ever since.

Not exactly, Since the old F100 was called the 1/2 ton and the F150 the
5/8's. Infact the old F1's were also called 1/2 ton. The actual naming of
them that dates back to the first trucks. Like all pickups it seems like
the ratings for each model change. I wouldn't at all be surprised that the
99F250-SD has a higher GVW rating then the 97F250-HD.
I recall some year back my cousin getting a new C30 (bare frame) when we
took the cattle box off the old C30 we both noted how much heavier the new
frame was then the old (and the springs, and the...)

In reality the 'name' (1/2 ton) means little though, my Nissan is rated
for a 1/2 ton (1000 lbs), and it's nearly 20 years old.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:19:17 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - update on 99 F250 oil leak

Well since i replaced the seal and plug its seems to have slowed, i don't
know if its completely stopped all i have seen now is a few drips. I am going
to spray its down with brake clean and see if i am going to need to take it
in sometime before Xmas. It doesnt seem bad enough to have take it in asap.
Its not nearly as bad as a rear main leak on a windsor style motor,lol.

RS
99F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra
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