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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - need help
FTE 97up - 7.3 ltr milage
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
FTE 97up - Triton engines
Re: FTE 97up - need help
Re: FTE 97up - need help
Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
FTE 97up - need help
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:53:46 -0500
From: "Shaun Mahoney"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - need help

I chose a Ford with a V-10 over the Dodge based on talking with a lot of
Dodge owner's who ended up having either their transmission or rear-end
rebuilt or replaced after 5 years. Also the fit and finish on the Ford's was
much better.

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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:25 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - need help

hey, my father has requested that i ask everyone on the list a question
about the new super duty trucks. he plans to buy a 99 or 2000 f-350 sd.
or a 99 or 2000 dodge. he is self employed and has a small ranch. all he
would use the truck for is towing and hauling, normal trailers and fifth
wheels. he wants to know which truck is a better buy. he has owned ford
trucks all his life. he swears by the powerstroke diesel.
what he wants is opinions from people on what they recommend. we know the
psd has more power than the cummins, but it's not rated to tow as much as
the
cummins engine. we have towed great big john deere tractors out of the
mud
before when they have run out of fuel. we have always owned the ford
trucks, we tried chevy but they just didn't seem to have the kahunas to
get the job done.

thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:15:10 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 97up - 7.3 ltr milage

Getting ready to order my new tow vehicle, interested in what actual fuel
mileage yawl are getting with 1-ton duelies and the powerstroke diesel,
bob-tail and while towing.

stoney

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:29:51 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

I second William. Only I think the price went up. Here's their web site,
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Fumotovalve.com/

"Suarez, William" wrote:

> Perhaps it's time to get one of the Fumoto drain valves and not worry about
> removing the plug again. At $18.00 it's one of my smarter investments.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:13 PM
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> Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
>
> where is the best place to get those stupid copper washers for oil drain? i
> am at 24K and she is starting to Valdez. I noticed a lil puddle underneath
> yesterday.
>
> RS
> 99F250 PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:29:36 -0500
From: wahoofan Earthlink.net
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

I have a 98 F150 SC 4.6L, 3.55 w/locking differential. As I tow a 25'
travel trailer that's
about 4700lbs wet, I've been pondering getting some extra towing grunt.
Short of getting a SD
(which I keep drooling over), I was wondering if anybody on the list has
done a ring and pinion
swap on their truck.

I can tow in 3rd with overdrive locked out and she turns about 2650rpm
at 55mph. If I use
O/D, I'm down to about 1800rpm which puts me below the torque band I
wanna be in. I'm
looking into changing the gearing to a 4:10 and was wondering if anyone
has tried this. Of
course, I also need to see if the computer will accept the change to
correct the speedo since
that isn't a stock ratio.

Anyone done it? Thoughts?????

Jim Clementz

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:51:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Andy Buck
Subject: FTE 97up - Triton engines

Please excuse a new subscriber question, or send me to
the archives:

I have a '93 e-150 with the 4.9L 6. Should I go with
the V6 or small V8? I drive around southern new
england mostly (not that hilly), half highway, half
city. Other than low speed torque, is there any
advantage to the V8? And what is the general consensus
on quality/power/reliability of the new V6 vs the old
straight 6?

Thanks!
Andy
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:16:07 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - need help

You'll find a gazillion opinions both ways so I won't make any arguments
about which is better. Almost everyone makes good trucks these days. What
I will point out is that if the Dodge you mentioned is rated at a higher tow
capacity than the Ford this is not due to the engine or transmission limits
but probably due to axle and brake size. I'm not sure if the Dodge 1ton
uses any heavier axles and brakes than the Ford 350 but if they do that's
the difference that lets Dodge tow more. (it could also be that Dodge just
rates there truck higher even if it is no more capable.) If Dad needs more
than the F350 can offer just tell him to get an f450 or f550. I don't think
anyone offers a pickup truck with more capacity than these brutes. You have
to go to a cab and chassis 2 ton to get anywhere near these trucks in a
chevy or dodge.
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From: TRITON46L aol.com
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Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:25 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - need help


>hey, my father has requested that i ask everyone on the list a question
>about the new super duty trucks. he plans to buy a 99 or 2000 f-350 sd.
>or a 99 or 2000 dodge. he is self employed and has a small ranch. all
he
>would use the truck for is towing and hauling, normal trailers and fifth
>wheels. he wants to know which truck is a better buy. he has owned ford
>trucks all his life. he swears by the powerstroke diesel.
>what he wants is opinions from people on what they recommend. we know
the
>psd has more power than the cummins, but it's not rated to tow as much as
the
>cummins engine. we have towed great big john deere tractors out of the
mud
>before when they have run out of fuel. we have always owned the ford
>trucks, we tried chevy but they just didn't seem to have the kahunas to
>get the job done.
>
>thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
>
>bill
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:24:40 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - need help

What kind of truck are you talking about? Regular or supercab, 4x2 or 4x4,
DRW or SRW?

Nathan

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Subject: FTE 97up - need help


> hey, my father has requested that i ask everyone on the list a question
> about the new super duty trucks. he plans to buy a 99 or 2000 f-350 sd.
> or a 99 or 2000 dodge. he is self employed and has a small ranch. all
he
> would use the truck for is towing and hauling, normal trailers and fifth
> wheels. he wants to know which truck is a better buy. he has owned ford
> trucks all his life. he swears by the powerstroke diesel.
> what he wants is opinions from people on what they recommend. we know
the
> psd has more power than the cummins, but it's not rated to tow as much as
the
> cummins engine. we have towed great big john deere tractors out of the
mud
> before when they have run out of fuel. we have always owned the ford
> trucks, we tried chevy but they just didn't seem to have the kahunas to
> get the job done.
>
> thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
>
> bill
>

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 18:39:55 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

wahoofan earthlink.net wrote:
>
> I have a 98 F150 SC 4.6L, 3.55 w/locking differential. As I tow a 25'
> travel trailer that's
> about 4700lbs wet, I've been pondering getting some extra towing grunt.
> Short of getting a SD
> (which I keep drooling over), I was wondering if anybody on the list has
> done a ring and pinion
> swap on their truck.
>
> I can tow in 3rd with overdrive locked out and she turns about 2650rpm
> at 55mph. If I use
> O/D, I'm down to about 1800rpm which puts me below the torque band I
> wanna be in. I'm
> looking into changing the gearing to a 4:10 and was wondering if anyone
> has tried this. Of
> course, I also need to see if the computer will accept the change to
> correct the speedo since
> that isn't a stock ratio.
>
> Anyone done it? Thoughts?????
>
> Jim Clementz
>
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Jim,

You are fortunate in that you have a 98 model. The only
requirement for a gear ratio change is the installation of
the ring & pinion and a new speedo gear. The 99s and 00s
are far more complicated. It seems that some can not be
recalibrated correctly.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:49:31 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

Strange, I have yet to hear of a problem switching gear ratios on a '99+.
These trucks generate their speedo signal from the RABS sensor (like the
'92-'96 trucks did). Since this sensor is unaffected by changes in gear
ratio (only tire diameter will change what this sensor picks up), you
shouldn't have to recalibrate anything when switching only gear ratios on
these models. Since '97 and '98 models generate the speedo signals from a
VSS located on the transmission or transfer case, these will need a new gear
installed on the VSS to get the speedo calibrated correctly.

Rob

> You are fortunate in that you have a 98 model. The only
> requirement for a gear ratio change is the installation of
> the ring & pinion and a new speedo gear. The 99s and 00s
> are far more complicated. It seems that some can not be
> recalibrated correctly.

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:54:39 PST
From: "Mike & Susan Clow"
Subject: FTE 97up - need help

I have a 99 superduty and have done real well with it, and although I have
no personal experience with Dodge a guy I know who is very well connected in
the RV'er community said that when the Dodge's came out with the new look
and the cummins and v-10 a few years back LOTS of the RV community got them
because they had good numbers on paper and they looked real cool. Now they
have just about all gone back to Fords and in fact there is a standing joke
that goes like this:

Q: Whats the best place to get a good deal on a used late model Dodge 1-ton?

A: The used truck lot of a Ford dealer!


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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:21:25 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak

In a message dated 99-12-06 11:41:41 EST, you write:


Well i ordered one of the valves today , I saw they had them about 10.
cheaper then some others, by getting them direct. But in the mean time i put
in a new plug and washer, and as Bobby Bowden would say, "Da gum it, the darn
thing is still leakin", It looks to be coming from right corner of pan the
first time i was under R&R'n the plug and washer , but later tonight i will
slide under with the brand new Mag lite, for better inspection. It still
seems to be leaving a puddle about the size of small pail. I dont want to
have to put it back in the E.R.

RS


Date: 99-12-06 11:41:41 EST
From: abrahamc agcs.com (Charles Abraham)
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I second William. Only I think the price went up. Here's their web site,
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Fumotovalve.com/

"Suarez, William" wrote:

> Perhaps it's time to get one of the Fumoto drain valves and not worry about
> removing the plug again. At $18.00 it's one of my smarter investments.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of RSnovi aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:13 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F250 oil leak
>
> where is the best place to get those stupid copper washers for oil drain?
i
> am at 24K and she is starting to Valdez. I noticed a lil puddle underneath
> yesterday.
>
> RS
> 99F250 PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:56:15 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

Rob Bryan wrote:
>
> Strange, I have yet to hear of a problem switching gear ratios on a '99+.
> These trucks generate their speedo signal from the RABS sensor (like the
> '92-'96 trucks did). Since this sensor is unaffected by changes in gear
> ratio (only tire diameter will change what this sensor picks up), you
> shouldn't have to recalibrate anything when switching only gear ratios on
> these models. Since '97 and '98 models generate the speedo signals from a
> VSS located on the transmission or transfer case, these will need a new gear
> installed on the VSS to get the speedo calibrated correctly.
>
> Rob

Rob,

You have a valid point, that I can not explain but I will
try to figure it out and get back to you. My friend's 99
f-150 has 4.10 gears (dealer installed)and the speedo and
shift points were all screwed up. It would seem that the
gear in the tranny must still used along with the RABS
sensor, but upon inspection of the tranny he said that there
was no VSS on the tranny. The dealer has tried many times
to recalibrate to no avail. All the computer should need to
know is the number of teeth on the sensor ring and the tire
size.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:10:20 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150

JMC,

Did the RABS sensor, wiring, or plug get damaged when the rear axle was
taken apart to install the new gears? Or maybe the RABS exciter ring had a
tooth or two knocked off. That would seem to explain the problems after
swapping the gears. FWIW, Ford Motorsport sells 4.11 ring and pinion sets
for the '97-2000 F-150/Expy/Nav, so they should work... In any case, gear
swaps worked without problem on the '92-'96 trucks with a similar setup.

Rob

> From: Jean Marc Chartier
> Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:56:15 -0500
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear gear change - 98 F150
>
> Rob Bryan wrote:
>>
>> Strange, I have yet to hear of a problem switching gear ratios on a '99+.
>> These trucks generate their speedo signal from the RABS sensor (like the
>> '92-'96 trucks did). Since this sensor is unaffected by changes in gear
>> ratio (only tire diameter will change what this sensor picks up), you
>> shouldn't have to recalibrate anything when switching only gear ratios on
>> these models. Since '97 and '98 models generate the speedo signals from a
>> VSS located on the transmission or transfer case, these will need a new gear
>> installed on the VSS to get the speedo calibrated correctly.
>>
>> Rob
>
> Rob,
>
> You have a valid point, that I can not explain but I will
> try to figure it out and get back to you. My friend's 99
> f-150 has 4.10 gears (dealer installed)and the speedo and
> shift points were all screwed up. It would seem that the....


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