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97up-list-digest Sunday, November 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 316



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler
Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler
FTE 97up - Re: tire chain recommendations
FTE 97up - Accesories F250
FTE 97up - Door Ajar Sensors
Re: FTE 97up - Door Ajar Sensors
Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler
Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler
FTE 97up - 99F250-SD wiring??

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:37:07 -0800
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler

>Alan Bowes writes:
>As you correctly surmised, one of the primary >combustion products is water
vapor. When you first ?>start the vehicle, the warm water vapor simply
?>condenses on the cooler interior surfaces of the >exhaust system and drips
out at any convenient exit >point. When the exhaust system warms up, the
water >vapor no longer condenses on the surfaces to any >significant degree,
so you no longer see the
>dripping.


It used to be that exhaust sytems lasted a long time without rusting out.
My 1990 F150 rusted the muffler in 5 years. The main culprit is the
catalytic converter. The cat must heat up to work, so behind the cat
doesn't get as hot as the pre cat systems used to. If you only take short
trips, all that moisture sits in your muffler and tailpipe and rusts it out.

Harald

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:43:50 -0400
From: Mark MacDonald
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler

An interesting sidenote to this topic.

I recently noticed some steam and water dripping from a hole on the
backside of my muffler, where there was also a small hole with soot around
it.. I mentioned this to the dealer, saying that there was a hole in my
muffler, and he tells me that all factory mufflers come like that. Speaking
with my brother who is also a mechanic, he says the same thing, and says
that aftermarket mufflers dont have this hole in it, and thats one of the
main reasons factory lasts longer than aftermarket. So if you want to get
another year or so out of an aftermarket, try drilling a small hole in the
bottom of the back of the muffler... I would be interested to know if
anyone else has this small hole in their muffler.


>It used to be that exhaust sytems lasted a long time without rusting out.
>My 1990 F150 rusted the muffler in 5 years. The main culprit is the
>catalytic converter. The cat must heat up to work, so behind the cat
>doesn't get as hot as the pre cat systems used to. If you only take short
>trips, all that moisture sits in your muffler and tailpipe and rusts it out.
>
>Harald
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:22:47 EST
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire chain recommendations

In a message dated 11/19/99 7:42:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


From: "Rich and Mari Cower"
Subject: FTE 97up - Chains - looking for recommendations

Got a '00 PSD Excursion. Anyone got any chain recommendations? It's got 16
all season tires on it.

thanks...rich >>

My recommendation is stainless steel "cable chains". The are more expensive
than traditional "chains", as they have stainless cables with tubular
stainless rollers that allow the tire to grip, yet "roll" on the pavement.
Much quieter and smoother than traditional tire chains. The typically come in
a ABS plastic carrying box. Rarely break like old-fashioned tire chains.
Available in better auto parts stores. Correct tire size application chart
review is very important for proper fit and use.

BTW, they don't chew up your tires. But beware, if used on dry pavement, the
cables (like chains) will leave marks on your black sidewalls, permanently.
So don't use em' on your show tires.

Randy
cookies aol.com
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:13:43 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Accesories F250

I am looking for a grille cover for my '99 Superduty PSD. The weather gets
nasty here in the midwest and I am wanting to cover up the radiator during
the bad weather. Does anybody know where I can purchase a Grille cover for
the radiator?

John Patterson
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:06:34 -0600
From: "Swan, Joel"
Subject: FTE 97up - Door Ajar Sensors

I have a 97 F250 Extended Cab with the third door. Just recently, the "DOOR
AJAR" indicator and the inside light stays on after closing the passenger
side door. The door appears to be shut completely.

Has anyone else had a similar problem? I thought it may just be a stuck
sensor of some sort but couldn't find anything which appeared to be the
"normal" door open light switch in or around the door jambs. Any
clues/suggestions?

Thanks,

joel
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:29:04 -0600
From: Steve #1
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door Ajar Sensors

"Swan, Joel" wrote:

> I have a 97 F250 Extended Cab with the third door. Just recently, the "DOOR
> AJAR" indicator and the inside light stays on after closing the passenger
> side door. The door appears to be shut completely.
>
> Has anyone else had a similar problem? I thought it may just be a stuck
> sensor of some sort but couldn't find anything which appeared to be the
> "normal" door open light switch in or around the door jambs. Any
> clues/suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> joel

Sounds like a problem with the switch which is located on the latch inside
the door.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:48:06 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler

Do Not Drill into your aftermarket mufflers if you have a Borla System, they
are stainless steel and will not rust out, period!!! They all come with a
1,000,000-mile warrentee.

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mark MacDonald
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler


> An interesting sidenote to this topic.
>
> I recently noticed some steam and water dripping from a hole on the
> backside of my muffler, where there was also a small hole with soot around
> it.. I mentioned this to the dealer, saying that there was a hole in my
> muffler, and he tells me that all factory mufflers come like that.
Speaking
> with my brother who is also a mechanic, he says the same thing, and says
> that aftermarket mufflers dont have this hole in it, and thats one of the
> main reasons factory lasts longer than aftermarket. So if you want to get
> another year or so out of an aftermarket, try drilling a small hole in the
> bottom of the back of the muffler... I would be interested to know if
> anyone else has this small hole in their muffler.
>
>
> >It used to be that exhaust sytems lasted a long time without rusting out.
> >My 1990 F150 rusted the muffler in 5 years. The main culprit is the
> >catalytic converter. The cat must heat up to work, so behind the cat
> >doesn't get as hot as the pre cat systems used to. If you only take
short
> >trips, all that moisture sits in your muffler and tailpipe and rusts it
out.
> >
> >Harald
> >
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>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:57:12 -0400
From: Mark MacDonald
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:water leaking from muffler

Yes, my apologies... I was talking about old plain jane mufflers..


At 10:48 PM 11/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Do Not Drill into your aftermarket mufflers if you have a Borla System, they
>are stainless steel and will not rust out, period!!! They all come with a
>1,000,000-mile warrentee.
>
>Keith

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:18:49 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: FTE 97up - 99F250-SD wiring??

I pulled the panel under the steering wheel today, looking for the jack
to attach the brake controler too. Well, I found it (broken by the previous
owner). But this lead me to two questions.
There, below the steering wheel (a bit to the right) is a multi-connector
jack. My guess is that this jack is for the engine diagnostic computer, but
I guess it's best to ask, is it?
Also, coming out of the same bundle (going to the above connector) is
four wires that have been cut, I'm guessing by the previous owner. They
don't appear to have been cut off that connector, but off something else.
They are a blue-red, black, red and blue (I think). Anyone have any guess
what used to be here?

For a truck he only had 4 months the previous owner did some odd things

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
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