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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re:XLT Door Lights
FTE 97up - 2001 Explorer Sport Trak
FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
FTE 97up - Tanny code location
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
RE: FTE 97up - 2001 Explorer Sport Trak
Re: FTE 97up - '00-350SD-SC-TD-4x4 dually setup
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-Re:Super Duty Brakes!
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-Re:Super Duty Brakes!
FTE 97up - Power Adjustable pedals on F-150
FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out
FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!
Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!
RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out
Re: FTE 97up - Power Adjustable pedals on F-150
FTE 97up - fog lights, again
Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!
Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!
FTE 97up - Chains - looking for recommendations
FTE 97up - Auto adjust headlights
Re: FTE 97up - Chains - looking for recommendations
Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!
Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:53:28 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:XLT Door Lights

Don't want to sound rude but check your owners manual. Info on all
replacement bulbs for everything should be there.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:33:10 PST
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2001 Explorer Sport Trak

Yesterday, I a strange looking rear of a pickup pass in front of me. I
thought I saw a Ford Badge in the tailgate. So I followed the truck for 8
miles, took its turnoff and stopped to see.

I discovered a Ford Powertrain Engineer performing drivability tests for
transmission programming at altitude. I was in Denver at the time. When I
drove along side of the truck I could see two bright readouts, one long thin
dash mount and what looked like a laptop computer screen mounted front and
center.

I had a lenghty conversation with the engineer about his role in
transmission programming. He basically stated that all truck transmissions
are now being programmed for the Soccer Moms or ex-Minivan drivers. So
don't expect to have a quick positive shifting transmission from the
factory, unless you buy manual. He takes these drivability trips from
Detroit about once every 2 month for a two week period. Nice Job!

I didn't talk much more about the transmission programming, except the
truck. It will be outfitted with the 4.0 L engine, Automatic, ESOF
transfer case, Four Doors, 16" wheels, 4.5 foot plastic composite Truck bed,
4500 lbs. If anyone has more specific questions, please e-m me.

Scott.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:22:16 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs

I found a great towing option for slide-in camper users. There's a hitch
called the Superhitch that's made for trucks with campers. It's basically 2
receivers on top of each other. A dual extension plugs into both receivers
to extend the ball out past the camper bumper. This setup costs like $350
at www.torklift.com. I was going to put it on my 99 F350, but I'm maxed out
on weight with just my camper and have no capacity left for trailer tongue
weight. After buying the truck, I don't have any money left to buy any
towable toys anyway.

I put the bulbs into the door of my SD. Can't remember the part number, but
just go to the auto parts store and tell them you want the door bulbs for
your Lariat SD. Us XLT owners didn't get the bulbs.

Harald

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:28:47 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tanny code location

My new 2000 is here. Where on the F150 would I find the transmission code,
i.e., 44E, 44U?

Thanks.



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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:17:16 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs

In a message dated 11/18/99 11:44:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Harald foxinternet.net writes:

ok refresh my memory where these bulbs that the XLT should have are supposed
to be? Mine is in the shop for a small ding in top of back door from
automatic gate (S#!%) hope it comes out good i took it to local dealer
(Tallahassee Ford). Hope they match up the Prarie tan good.

RS
9Sec93cobra
99F250SD PSD/SC/4x4


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I found a great towing option for slide-in camper users. There's a hitch
called the Superhitch that's made for trucks with campers. It's basically 2
receivers on top of each other. A dual extension plugs into both receivers
to extend the ball out past the camper bumper. This setup costs like $350
at www.torklift.com. I was going to put it on my 99 F350, but I'm maxed out
on weight with just my camper and have no capacity left for trailer tongue
weight. After buying the truck, I don't have any money left to buy any
towable toys anyway.

I put the bulbs into the door of my SD. Can't remember the part number, but
just go to the auto parts store and tell them you want the door bulbs for
your Lariat SD. Us XLT owners didn't get the bulbs.

Harald

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:36:17 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs

> ok refresh my memory where these bulbs that the XLT should have are supposed
> to be?

On the 99SD XLT the red reflector is removable.The bulbs I used were:

sylvania 168 BP

I vaguely recall that the lariat reflector is white/red.


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:59:19 -0700
From: "Brandon Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs

Do you have to search around behind the door panel for the socket?

In my 2000 SD XLT CC, the socket is not visible by just removing the red
plate.

I imagine that it is there, it its just behind the door panel.


Brandon


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Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs


>
>
>
>> ok refresh my memory where these bulbs that the XLT should have are
supposed
>> to be?
>
>On the 99SD XLT the red reflector is removable.The bulbs I used were:
>
> sylvania 168 BP
>
>I vaguely recall that the lariat reflector is white/red.
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:29:03 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs

On my 99 XLT crew cab the light sockets were behind the red reflectors, just
waiting for a light bulb. I don't know if it's worth the trouble to take the
door panel off to find the socket. Is there a hole for the socket? I can
see how the Lariat's red/white lens cover would be nicer than the XLT's red
lens.

Brandon Adams wrote:

> Do you have to search around behind the door panel for the socket?
>
> In my 2000 SD XLT CC, the socket is not visible by just removing the red
> plate.
>
> I imagine that it is there, it its just behind the door panel.
>
> Brandon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johny
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Truck camper and door bulbs
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> ok refresh my memory where these bulbs that the XLT should have are
> supposed
> >> to be?
> >
> >On the 99SD XLT the red reflector is removable.The bulbs I used were:
> >
> > sylvania 168 BP
> >
> >I vaguely recall that the lariat reflector is white/red.
> >
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:04:50 -0600
From: "Hein, Mark"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 2001 Explorer Sport Trak

Sounds like the F150 Supercab or maybe the Explorer Sport Trac. Was it a
full size truck?

> ----------
> From: Scott Matus[SMTP:mr_scsi hotmail.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
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> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - 2001 Explorer Sport Trak
>
> Yesterday, I a strange looking rear of a pickup pass in front of me. I
> thought I saw a Ford Badge in the tailgate. So I followed the truck for 8
>
> miles, took its turnoff and stopped to see.
>
> I discovered a Ford Powertrain Engineer performing drivability tests for
> transmission programming at altitude. I was in Denver at the time. When
> I
> drove along side of the truck I could see two bright readouts, one long
> thin
> dash mount and what looked like a laptop computer screen mounted front and
>
> center.
>
> I had a lenghty conversation with the engineer about his role in
> transmission programming. He basically stated that all truck
> transmissions
> are now being programmed for the Soccer Moms or ex-Minivan drivers. So
> don't expect to have a quick positive shifting transmission from the
> factory, unless you buy manual. He takes these drivability trips from
> Detroit about once every 2 month for a two week period. Nice Job!
>
> I didn't talk much more about the transmission programming, except the
> truck. It will be outfitted with the 4.0 L engine, Automatic, ESOF
> transfer case, Four Doors, 16" wheels, 4.5 foot plastic composite Truck
> bed,
> 4500 lbs. If anyone has more specific questions, please e-m me.
>
> Scott.
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:50:31 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '00-350SD-SC-TD-4x4 dually setup

Hello,
I have a Gear Vendors overdrive on 1997 F-250, it works great. You can call
me at my office if you want, I would be glad to chat with you. Its difficult
to type everything out on E-mail. I have a 00 F-250 CC/PSD on order, should
have it in a week or so. Regards, Dave Burry 303-425-1100
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:56:37 -0500
From: zman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-Re:Super Duty Brakes!

I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on ANY
bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The first
time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
know what I mean.



joe


RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the brakes seem to
> skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:47:00 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-Re:Super Duty Brakes!

Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real early or
take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a stop.

Charles.


zman wrote:

> I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on ANY
> bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The first
> time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> know what I mean.
>
> joe
>
> RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the brakes seem to
> > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:09:27 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Power Adjustable pedals on F-150

Just noticed that a code for power adjustable pedals (like on Expedition) is
showing up in the F-150 order bank. It shows them to be on hold until Feb.
The 2001 Supercrew will have them as standard.

Nathan


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:24:37 -0500
From: zman
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out

Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen this
in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the stopping
power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the problem
is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front disks.
Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
distance. I am going to try the latter.



good luck
joe




Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
> even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real early or
> take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a stop.
>
> Charles.
>
> zman wrote:
>
> > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on ANY
> > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The first
> > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> > know what I mean.
> >
> > joe
> >
> > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the brakes seem to
> > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:44:24 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!

Correct Joe,

But remember, a truck has to be designed so the "default" mode is a
partially-to-fully loaded truck. Heavy loads will put lots of weight on the
rears and it will stop just fine (F-350, remember). The trouble starts when
people are running empty and drive it like a car. No, it will not stop like
a car, it is a TRUCK. When driving a truck empty, you need to go slower
than in a car, leave more room between you and the car ahead of you, start
braking for lights & stop-signs sooner, etc. If you remember that it is a
truck, and you drive it like a truck, it stops just fine, loaded or
unloaded.

Keith



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From: zman
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:24 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out


> Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
> ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
> to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
> loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
> happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
> theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen this
> in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
> Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
> vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the stopping
> power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
> squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
> I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
> defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the problem
> is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front disks.
> Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
> hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
> distance. I am going to try the latter.
>
>
>
> good luck
> joe
>
>
>
>
> Charles Abraham wrote:
> >
> > Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
> > even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real
early or
> > take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a
stop.
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > zman wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> > > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on
ANY
> > > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The
first
> > > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> > > know what I mean.
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
> > > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the
brakes seem to
> > > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:09:58 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!

In a message dated 11/18/99 8:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net writes:


how about a proportioning valve?

RS

Date: 11/18/99 8:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net (Keith Veren)
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Correct Joe,

But remember, a truck has to be designed so the "default" mode is a
partially-to-fully loaded truck. Heavy loads will put lots of weight on the
rears and it will stop just fine (F-350, remember). The trouble starts when
people are running empty and drive it like a car. No, it will not stop like
a car, it is a TRUCK. When driving a truck empty, you need to go slower
than in a car, leave more room between you and the car ahead of you, start
braking for lights & stop-signs sooner, etc. If you remember that it is a
truck, and you drive it like a truck, it stops just fine, loaded or
unloaded.

Keith



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From: zman
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:24 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out


> Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
> ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
> to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
> loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
> happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
> theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen this
> in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
> Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
> vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the stopping
> power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
> squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
> I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
> defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the problem
> is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front disks.
> Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
> hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
> distance. I am going to try the latter.
>
>
>
> good luck
> joe
>
>
>
>
> Charles Abraham wrote:
> >
> > Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
> > even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real
early or
> > take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a
stop.
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > zman wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> > > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on
ANY
> > > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The
first
> > > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> > > know what I mean.
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
> > > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the
brakes seem to
> > > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:28:25 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out

Allow me to take a stab at this. I had a '92 Aerostar with rear ABS, and it
began displaying these same characteristics. After a couple of scary rides,
I finally took it to a brake shop. Mechanic noted that there was very
little wear on the rear brake shoes, however the front pads were showing
heavy wear (not to mention I'd had the rotors turned a couple of times due
to warping). He asked if I'd made a habit of NOT setting the parking brake,
of which I was guilty. He explained that it was a good idea, and stated
that it helped keep the rear brakes in adjustment. It was evident they were
not participating in the stopping of this vehicle. He adjusted them, and
advised that I ALWAYS set my parking brake. I have done so since. No more
symptoms yet.

I would be willing to wager that the front brakes doing double duty had
something to do with aggravated warping of the rotors, too.

Just my $.02 worth. Set your parking brake!

Penn

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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:25 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out


Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen this
in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the stopping
power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the problem
is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front disks.
Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
distance. I am going to try the latter.



good luck
joe




Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
> even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real
early or
> take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a
stop.
>
> Charles.
>
> zman wrote:
>
> > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on ANY
> > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The first
> > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> > know what I mean.
> >
> > joe
> >
> > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the brakes
seem to
> > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:33:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Power Adjustable pedals on F-150

>
> Just noticed that a code for power adjustable pedals (like on Expedition) is
> showing up in the F-150 order bank. It shows them to be on hold until Feb.
> The 2001 Supercrew will have them as standard.
>
> Nathan
>

Will the Supercrew be available with 4WD, preferably ESOF?

- --
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| True hope lies beyond the coast
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:40:27 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: FTE 97up - fog lights, again

I went over to my local Ford dealer to talk about added fog lights to my
99-F250SD. Which from earlier discussions just invloves replacing the light
switch and wiring the lights off the existing wire harness.
He did some looking at the parts lists and found things that confused us
both. They list (apparently) the same switch for the truck with and without
fog lights. Since he didn't have any switchs in stock neither of us were
certain what is going on.
Based on some other Ford vehicles his thought was that switch with
fog-lights pulled out to turn them on.
He also mentioned an 'auto-dim' option, where the truck lights would
automaticly dim when an approaching vehicle triggered the system. This
appeared to have a different switch.
His guess is that all these trucks are wired to handle the fog-lights (as
was mentioned here on the list)

Could someone that has added fog lights give a bit more information on this.


BTW, don't be too surprised if a Ford parts guy joins one of the truck
lists. He wanted to know where I had heard about this and it sounded like
something he might want to do, only I think (?) his truck is older then
this list's

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:25:24 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!

Proportioning valve in the case of driving an empty truck like a car will
not help, they are there now anyway. Even if you could manually control
front to rear braking power, what do you gain if you are overdriving the
truck?? For example, if you put 100% stopping on the fronts, the same
problem with rear hopping/sliding (only at 100% they would be rolling), if
you put more braking power in the rear, they will skid, hop etc., and the
fronts won't have enough power to do their job.

Bottom line, many drivers (experienced mostly in driving cars) hop in a
big-fullsize SuperDuty SuperCab
F350 and drive it like a car, loaded or unloaded and they expect it to
perform like a car. Wrong. It's not a car.


Keith

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From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!


> In a message dated 11/18/99 8:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>
> how about a proportioning valve?
>
> RS
>
> Date: 11/18/99 8:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net (Keith Veren)
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>
> Correct Joe,
>
> But remember, a truck has to be designed so the "default" mode is a
> partially-to-fully loaded truck. Heavy loads will put lots of weight on
the
> rears and it will stop just fine (F-350, remember). The trouble starts
when
> people are running empty and drive it like a car. No, it will not stop
like
> a car, it is a TRUCK. When driving a truck empty, you need to go slower
> than in a car, leave more room between you and the car ahead of you,
start
> braking for lights & stop-signs sooner, etc. If you remember that it is
a
> truck, and you drive it like a truck, it stops just fine, loaded or
> unloaded.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: zman
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:24 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out
>
>
> > Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
> > ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
> > to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
> > loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
> > happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
> > theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen
this
> > in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
> > Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
> > vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the
stopping
> > power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
> > squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
> > I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
> > defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the
problem
> > is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front
disks.
> > Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
> > hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
> > distance. I am going to try the latter.
> >
> >
> >
> > good luck
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles Abraham wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I
wasn't
> > > even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real
> early or
> > > take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a
> stop.
> > >
> > > Charles.
> > >
> > > zman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the
brakes
> > > > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on
> ANY
> > > > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The
> first
> > > > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if
you
> > > > know what I mean.
> > > >
> > > > joe
> > > >
> > > > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the
> brakes seem to
> > > > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:47:47 -0500
From: zman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Come-on, it's a TRUCK, not a car!

buddy, have you been following the whole thread?



Keith Veren wrote:
>
> Correct Joe,
>
> But remember, a truck has to be designed so the "default" mode is a
> partially-to-fully loaded truck. Heavy loads will put lots of weight on the
> rears and it will stop just fine (F-350, remember). The trouble starts when
> people are running empty and drive it like a car. No, it will not stop like
> a car, it is a TRUCK. When driving a truck empty, you need to go slower
> than in a car, leave more room between you and the car ahead of you, start
> braking for lights & stop-signs sooner, etc. If you remember that it is a
> truck, and you drive it like a truck, it stops just fine, loaded or
> unloaded.
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: zman
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:24 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes: figured it out
>
> > Thought I knew my SDs behavior until about an hour ago, I almost rear
> > ended somebody because my brakes felt like they were nonexistent. Prior
> > to tonight I didn't know for certain what the problem was because "the
> > loss of brakes feeling" was happening only on bumpy roads. Tonight it
> > happened on a flat slab of concrete road. Once I got home and tested my
> > theory in the parking lot, I knew what the problem was. I have seen this
> > in motorcycle racing and some racers use it to their advantage.
> > Basically, when the brakes are applied very firmly the front of the
> > vehicle dives taking the weight off the rear tires negating the stopping
> > power of the rear brakes. As a result you can hear the rear tires
> > squealing and the rear end my also feel like it is "bouncing."
> > I think it would be very hard to convince the manufacturer that it is a
> > defect with their product. I am guessing the only way to fix the problem
> > is after market parts to increase the stopping power of the front disks.
> > Possibly firmer front springs to keep the front end from diving under
> > hard braking, or the cheapest way is just to increase your stopping
> > distance. I am going to try the latter.
> >
> >
> >
> > good luck
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles Abraham wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine behaves in the exact same way. Twice I almost lost it. And I wasn't
> > > even speeding. Now, if I know the road or hill, I start breaking real
> early or
> > > take my foot off the accelerator petal and coast most of the way to a
> stop.
> > >
> > > Charles.
> > >
> > > zman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I noticed almost the same thing. The feeling I get is like the brakes
> > > > aren't working, but for me it happens when I am coming to a stop on
> ANY
> > > > bumpy road. Once the rear end stops bouncing everything is ok. The
> first
> > > > time it happened I almost........ thank god I have tan seats, if you
> > > > know what I mean.
> > > >
> > > > joe
> > > >
> > > > RSnovi aol.com wrote:
> > > > > Anyone notice when you hit a bump going down hill i notice the
> brakes seem to
> > > > > skip, which is not a nice feeling when coming up on a light.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:56:39 -0800
From: "Rich and Mari Cower"
Subject: FTE 97up - Chains - looking for recommendations

Got a '00 PSD Excursion. Anyone got any chain recommendations? It's got 16
all season tires on it.

thanks...rich

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:10:11 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Auto adjust headlights

I guess this one is for Nathan but someone else may have a clue.

Is the auto-adjust headlight feature (headlights automatically dim when they
sense an approaching car) available as an option on say the XLT's. I see it
as standard on the Lariets. I had that on a T-bird some years back and I
really liked it. The one I had was nice in that it also sensed ambient light
and turned the lights on at dusk.

Only problem I had was that the ambient sensor was in the middle of the dash
and look up thrugh the windshield. Virginia unfortunatly has state inspection
as well as local license stickers . There are specific places mandated by
regulation for the placement of these things and that happened to be right in
the line of sight of the sensor. It was always an argument with inspectors to
move them to one side.

John G

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:14:05 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chains - looking for recommendations

Check your manual about chain reccomendations. The Excursion being truck
based may have enough clearance to allow standard chains but most cars....


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