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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Box height
FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!
FTE 97up - Step Rails/Running Boards
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!
FTE 97up - drop bumper F250 SD
Re: FTE 97up - drop bumper F250 SD
FTE 97up - Re: SD weight
FTE 97up - Re: V-10 break-in period
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
FTE 97up - Re: V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 06:43:13 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Box height

When the trailer is hitched and the full pin weight is on the truck you should have
a least 6" of clearance between trailer and bed rail at the rear of the truck and
no more than 1" higher at the front. If when you try to hitch on level ground the
distance between the rear bed rail and trailer is only 2" or 3" its to close.
Either adjust pin box or lower rear of truck.



> > I cannot comfortably get the truck under my 5th wheel without the
> > rear of the box almost contacting the bottom part of the trailer.
> >

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:53:31 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for an
F-250 SC 4X2.

I use my truck almost exclusively for towing. My 1990 IDI with an ATS turbo
and exhaust gets about 10 mpg towing the fifth wheel trailer at ~65 - 70 mph.
I suspect the V10 would get about 6 mpg and the new diesel about 10 mpg.

Based on mileage and fuel cost alone (not factoring in the interest,
depreciation, etc. of the $4000 extra for the diesel) and assuming for
simplicity that fuel is about $1 per gallon, it would cost ~$100 per 1000
miles for the diesel vice $167 for the V10. Based on these costs, it would
take about 60,000 miles of towing to pay for the diesel. My 1990 F-250 has
just rolled 54,000 and I figure I've just now paid for the diesel in that
truck because it was a lot less expensive than $4000.

I'm now retired and also tow a boat so I'll probably be doing a lot more
towing than in the past. But, still, 60,000 miles to pay for the diesel is a
lot of towing miles. All things considered I'll probably buy the V10 and
hope to heck OPEC doesn't double fuel prices any time soon.

Also, I kind of like the idea of supercharging a V10 and having a hell of a
sleeper at the stop lights. Do we ever grow up??

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:23:25 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!

Anyone have any trouble with warped rotors on their SD
My brakes are in bad shape! The truck rattles very bad when stopping!
The pads and rotors look fine, I guess there just warped?
So has anyone addressed the dealer about this and if so
what did they do? My tires are now wearing out in a strange way?
I believe because of the pulsating when stopping?
Is there a TSB on the brakes? By the way it has 18000 miles on it !
Thanks
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:43:04 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!

Gene;

Ford in general has a reputation for rotors warping due to overtorqueing /
uneven torqueing of the lug nuts. 18 K miles seems a bit soon but if you had
your tires rotated, pulled for inspection that could be your problem.

Bought my daugter a Sable Wagon a few years back and drove it to her cross
country. By the time we got to the west coast we had pulsating brakes. Dealer
out there refaced them under warrenty and the problem went away not to
return. So at 18K miles it ought to be a warrenty problem.

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:37:47 -0800
From: "Scott Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Step Rails/Running Boards

I am partial to the Warn 4XBoards. They look great and are built well.
They also ride a bit lower (but not too low) than most to give you a true
intermediate step. They come permanent mount and removable.

Scott

PS- I have a set of removable 4XBoards from my '92 F250 4x4 Supercab LB for
sale (Wheel well to wheel well). I only had them mounted for 6 mos. You
will have to buy the rear mounting brackets as I didn't have time or the
tools to remove them before I traded it in for my SD. They are in the
Seattle area.

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:58:29 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

I have a V-10, but if I were you I'd get a diesel.

JDavis1277 aol.com wrote:

> I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for an
> F-250 SC 4X2.
>
> I use my truck almost exclusively for towing. My 1990 IDI with an ATS turbo
> and exhaust gets about 10 mpg towing the fifth wheel trailer at ~65 - 70 mph.
> I suspect the V10 would get about 6 mpg and the new diesel about 10 mpg.
>
> Based on mileage and fuel cost alone (not factoring in the interest,
> depreciation, etc. of the $4000 extra for the diesel) and assuming for
> simplicity that fuel is about $1 per gallon, it would cost ~$100 per 1000
> miles for the diesel vice $167 for the V10. Based on these costs, it would
> take about 60,000 miles of towing to pay for the diesel. My 1990 F-250 has
> just rolled 54,000 and I figure I've just now paid for the diesel in that
> truck because it was a lot less expensive than $4000.
>
> I'm now retired and also tow a boat so I'll probably be doing a lot more
> towing than in the past. But, still, 60,000 miles to pay for the diesel is a
> lot of towing miles. All things considered I'll probably buy the V10 and
> hope to heck OPEC doesn't double fuel prices any time soon.
>
> Also, I kind of like the idea of supercharging a V10 and having a hell of a
> sleeper at the stop lights. Do we ever grow up??
>
> Butch
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:06:01 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!

Gene,

Ford got a bad batch (11,000 sets) of rotors on the SD's. I just had all
four of mine replaced, along with newly redesigned front hubs (to go with
redesigned) rotors at 17,000 miles. Mine had gotten so bad that jumping on
the brakes at highway speed could jerk the wheel right out of your hand.

Ford covered all the repairs under warranty, so go see you dealer now.

Bill Suarez

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Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!


Anyone have any trouble with warped rotors on their SD
My brakes are in bad shape! The truck rattles very bad when stopping!
The pads and rotors look fine, I guess there just warped?
So has anyone addressed the dealer about this and if so
what did they do? My tires are now wearing out in a strange way?
I believe because of the pulsating when stopping?
Is there a TSB on the brakes? By the way it has 18000 miles on it !
Thanks
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:08:06 PST
From: "Greg Knust"
Subject: FTE 97up - drop bumper F250 SD

I'm looking for vendors for rear drop bumpers for 99 F250 superd duty. Only
have found J&J-Ent so far. Anyone know of any others?

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:56:20 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - drop bumper F250 SD

Greg Knust wrote:
>
> I'm looking for vendors for rear drop bumpers for 99 F250 superd duty. Only
> have found J&J-Ent so far. Anyone know of any others?
>
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Greg,

Pick up a Ford Truck accessories pamphlet. They have a 9"
centre drop for the SD's. The base part # is FD903C

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:11:17 -0800
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight

Keith wrote:

Sound like I have about the same truck as you, mine is: '99 F-350
SuperDuty, SuperCab, Long Wheel Base, 4X4, V-10, XLT, Automatic, all the
options (trailer tow, snow-plow package, cab lights, etc.) including power
take-off provision, plus a Duraliner Bed Liner and a front lift kit (went
from 2 leaves to 6 leaves in each front spring pack), and new extra heavy
duty shocks.

I went to the local stone & gravel scale and they weighed my truck
(including 180 pounds of me, and 50 pounds of kids in it). Total weight was
7,100 pounds. So your 6,700 pounds sounds correct if you were not in it
during weighing, were you?



Keith,

I was in my truck when they weighed it. I weigh 170 lbs. This was a county
operated refuse station and I'm assuming they use calibrated scales, so I'm
not sure where the discrepancy in weights comes from. I don't have the PTO
provision or a rear hitch or cab lights. And come to think of it, I may not
have had the spare wheel/tire/crank assembly installed at that time. All
that would probably add up to a couple hundred pounds. Add your bedliner
and extra front springs and it almost makes sense.

These are HEAVY trucks. That V10 with 4.30 gears has no problem moving it
though. Here in Seattle, where it rains 9 months out of the year, the
biggest problem is getting that power to the ground. It's a rare occasion
that I don't spin the back tires leaving a stop. Maybe that's why I only
get 9 mpg around town? On my only unloaded highway trip I managed 12.5 mpg
at 65 mph. What the heck, it's not much worse than I used to get in my 90
F150 with 5.0 V8 and I can haul much more cargo.


Sincerely,

Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:34:54 +0100
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: V-10 break-in period

I have about 800 miles on my '00 F350, 4wd, auto, long bed crew cab with the
V-10 and 4.3 rear. I've calculated mileage twice and both times it's been
right about 10.5 mpg. (That's commuter type driving around town, with a lot
of hills involved).

Considering my 96 Dodge 3/4 ton with a 360 V-8 got 11.5 mpg (w/K&N and
performance cat-back exhaust) and was well broken-in, I'm not the least bit
unhappy with what the V-10 is getting so far. And I figure it should improve
a bit as I put more miles on the engine.

Instead of comparing the 5.4 to the V-10, you have to look at the maximum
potential of both engines, and decide which best suits your needs.



>
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:03:25 -0500
> From: "Dube, David"
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
> I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
> short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
> hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
> want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
> loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
> would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?
>
> Dave
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:56:53 -0500
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

My opinion, for what it's worth, is to GO FOR THE DIESEL!! The Powerstroke
has 500 ft-lb, the V-10 (um, sorry, what is it, low 400's?). And your fuel
cost justification based on $1.00 per gallon is probably flawed. It's
$1.40 where I live, and who knows what it will be when your new truck is
8-10 years old? Not $1.00, I can assure you!


At 09:53 AM 11/13/99 EST, you wrote:

>I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for
an
>F-250 SC 4X2.
>
>I use my truck almost exclusively for towing.... (snip)

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:29:21 -0600
From: "Michael T. Greenlee"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

I agree. The other factor that no seems to mention is the life of the engine
and the increased trade in value that the diesel offers. Another thing is that
wonderful addicting sound.

All of that aside. It depends on what you'll be using it for. If you're going
to be towing, get the PSD. If not, get the smaller v-8.

Regards,

Michael Greenlee

Karen Wall / Steve Offiler wrote:

> My opinion, for what it's worth, is to GO FOR THE DIESEL!! The Powerstroke
> has 500 ft-lb, the V-10 (um, sorry, what is it, low 400's?). And your fuel
> cost justification based on $1.00 per gallon is probably flawed. It's
> $1.40 where I live, and who knows what it will be when your new truck is
> 8-10 years old? Not $1.00, I can assure you!
>
> At 09:53 AM 11/13/99 EST, you wrote:
>
> >I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for
> an
> >F-250 SC 4X2.
> >
> >I use my truck almost exclusively for towing.... (snip)
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:01:39 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

I see a lot of buying decisions (diesel/V10) being made based on the price of
fuel. I don't understand anyone doing this. No one knows the price of fuel,
tomorrow or 10 years from now.
We saw diesel fuel selling for .04 per gallon more than gasoline in Wisconsin
this past summer. Some places diesel fuel was less. Forget the mileage thing,
ask those owning both how they pull and what they are pulling. We have one of
each here, both 1999's. IMHO if you are going to pull at least 8000 pounds 75%
of the time, travel 12K miles or over pulling per year and travel 85%
freeways, get the diesel. If not get the V10. Our diesel has a 4.10 rear and
the V10 has a 4.30. On the freeway the diesel gets 13mpg pulling 8K at 60
mph. The V10 gets 10 mpg doing the same load and speed. Paying someone to
change the oil, the V10 is $22.65, the diesel is $39.75 now that's every 3k
miles. Now if you can afford a $30k-plus pickup I sure wouldn't worry about
$17.10 difference in oil change and a few cents a gallon fuel difference in
fuel. As for pulling, the diesel and the V10 both pull 8k well at 60-70 mph.
For stop and go the V10 with 8k being pulled has much fast pickup when pulling
out in traffic or away from stops. That's the way I see it. Bill
Karen Wall / Steve Officer wrote:

> My opinion, for what it's worth, is to GO FOR THE DIESEL!! The Powerstroke
> has 500 ft-lb, the V-10 (um, sorry, what is it, low 400's?). And your fuel
> cost justification based on $1.00 per gallon is probably flawed. It's
> $1.40 where I live, and who knows what it will be when your new truck is
> 8-10 years old? Not $1.00, I can assure you!
>
> At 09:53 AM 11/13/99 EST, you wrote:
>
> >I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for
> an
> >F-250 SC 4X2.
> >
> >I use my truck almost exclusively for towing.... (snip)
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:12:23 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: V-10 versus Diesel

> I suspect the V10 would get about 6 mpg and the new diesel about 10 mpg.
>
>

My F250 Powerstroke SC LB 4X2 gets 11-12 mpg towing a 11,000 lb 5W at 60-65 mph.
Sometimes up to 13 mpg at lower speeds, but 11 mpg is a good overall figure.
Major mountains and high temps don't seem to affect the mileage at all. My
solo driving is mostly highway and I average 19-20 mpg.

The better mileage may not totally recover the diesel cost but you will LOVE the
power (and probably hate the noise if you ever roll the window down).
- --
Gary Brinck...
in Florida's Ocala National Forest


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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:27:37 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

From what I've read about both the V10 and the PSD there is no reason to
expect the diesel to have an advantage on longevity. Both should be good
for well over 200K. At that point re-building the top end of the diesel
will cost about the same as a long block for the V10. As far as re-sale
value (demand) that's hard to predict. In our area dealers can't keep the
V10's on the lots while the diesels move a bit slower. Both are great
engines but be sure you estimate your fuel mileage using reliable numbers
(see the F-Superduty owners group forum) for the average types of driving
you will do.
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From: Michael T. Greenlee
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel


>I agree. The other factor that no seems to mention is the life of the
engine
>and the increased trade in value that the diesel offers. Another thing is
that
>wonderful addicting sound.
>
>All of that aside. It depends on what you'll be using it for. If you're
going
>to be towing, get the PSD. If not, get the smaller v-8.
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael Greenlee
>
>Karen Wall / Steve Offiler wrote:
>
>> My opinion, for what it's worth, is to GO FOR THE DIESEL!! The
Powerstroke
>> has 500 ft-lb, the V-10 (um, sorry, what is it, low 400's?). And your
fuel
>> cost justification based on $1.00 per gallon is probably flawed. It's
>> $1.40 where I live, and who knows what it will be when your new truck is
>> 8-10 years old? Not $1.00, I can assure you!
>>
>> At 09:53 AM 11/13/99 EST, you wrote:
>>
>> >I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel
for
>> an
>> >F-250 SC 4X2.
>> >
>> >I use my truck almost exclusively for towing.... (snip)
>>
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:18:26 -0500
From: Alan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Brakes!

Well mine goes in for the third time for brakes on Mon. rotors have been
replaced and turned. And yes I know how to adjust a brake controller for my
trailer. Anybody got suggestions for me. Truck has 17,500 mi.

Alan

Gene Ball wrote:

> Anyone have any trouble with warped rotors on their SD
> My brakes are in bad shape! The truck rattles very bad when stopping!
> The pads and rotors look fine, I guess there just warped?
> So has anyone addressed the dealer about this and if so
> what did they do? My tires are now wearing out in a strange way?
> I believe because of the pulsating when stopping?
> Is there a TSB on the brakes? By the way it has 18000 miles on it !
> Thanks
> Gene
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:43:36 -0800
From: "Lee Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

I own a 1999 F250SD CC V10 4.30LS. During a trip last summer, towing a 8000
LB 5th, 6500 miles from San Diego to Illinois/Ohio/Michigan and back, we
averaged 9.5MPG. The best I got was 11MPG through New Mexico on the
straight and flat averaging about 65mpg. The worst was about 8.0 bucking a
headwind.

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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 6:53 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel


> I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for
an
> F-250 SC 4X2.
>
> I use my truck almost exclusively for towing. My 1990 IDI with an ATS
turbo
> and exhaust gets about 10 mpg towing the fifth wheel trailer at ~65 - 70
mph.
> I suspect the V10 would get about 6 mpg and the new diesel about 10 mpg.
>
> Based on mileage and fuel cost alone (not factoring in the interest,
> depreciation, etc. of the $4000 extra for the diesel) and assuming for
> simplicity that fuel is about $1 per gallon, it would cost ~$100 per 1000
> miles for the diesel vice $167 for the V10. Based on these costs, it
would
> take about 60,000 miles of towing to pay for the diesel. My 1990 F-250
has
> just rolled 54,000 and I figure I've just now paid for the diesel in that
> truck because it was a lot less expensive than $4000.
>
> I'm now retired and also tow a boat so I'll probably be doing a lot more
> towing than in the past. But, still, 60,000 miles to pay for the diesel
is a
> lot of towing miles. All things considered I'll probably buy the V10 and
> hope to heck OPEC doesn't double fuel prices any time soon.
>
> Also, I kind of like the idea of supercharging a V10 and having a hell of
a
> sleeper at the stop lights. Do we ever grow up??
>
> Butch
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:12:37 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel

This is one of those "problems" where either answer is a winner! The diesel
or the V-10 will tow whatever you want wherever you want as fast as you want
and last as long as you want (with proper maintenance).

Keith


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Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 versus Diesel


> I too am in a bit of a quandary in deciding between a V10 and a diesel for
an
> F-250 SC 4X2.
>
> I use my truck almost exclusively for towing. My 1990 IDI with an ATS
turbo
> and exhaust gets about 10 mpg towing the fifth wheel trailer at ~65 - 70
mph.
> I suspect the V10 would get about 6 mpg and the new diesel about 10 mpg.
>
> Based on mileage and fuel cost alone (not factoring in the interest,
> depreciation, etc. of the $4000 extra for the diesel) and assuming for
> simplicity that fuel is about $1 per gallon, it would cost ~$100 per 1000
> miles for the diesel vice $167 for the V10. Based on these costs, it
would
> take about 60,000 miles of towing to pay for the diesel. My 1990 F-250
has
> just rolled 54,000 and I figure I've just now paid for the diesel in that
> truck because it was a lot less expensive than $4000.
>
> I'm now retired and also tow a boat so I'll probably be doing a lot more
> towing than in the past. But, still, 60,000 miles to pay for the diesel
is a
> lot of towing miles. All things considered I'll probably buy the V10 and
> hope to heck OPEC doesn't double fuel prices any time soon.
>
> Also, I kind of like the idea of supercharging a V10 and having a hell of
a
> sleeper at the stop lights. Do we ever grow up??
>
> Butch
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:27:42 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight

I agree Harald, these are heavy trucks. If you want to really get bad gas
mileage, just attach a big snow plow and move a couple of acres of 15" deep
heavy wet snow!!! (4 - 5 MPG)!!

Keith




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From: Harald Stenger
To: Ford Trucks List
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight


> Keith wrote:
>
> Sound like I have about the same truck as you, mine is: '99 F-350
> SuperDuty, SuperCab, Long Wheel Base, 4X4, V-10, XLT, Automatic, all the
> options (trailer tow, snow-plow package, cab lights, etc.) including power
> take-off provision, plus a Duraliner Bed Liner and a front lift kit (went
> from 2 leaves to 6 leaves in each front spring pack), and new extra heavy
> duty shocks.
>
> I went to the local stone & gravel scale and they weighed my truck
> (including 180 pounds of me, and 50 pounds of kids in it). Total weight
was
> 7,100 pounds. So your 6,700 pounds sounds correct if you were not in it
> during weighing, were you?
>
>
>
> Keith,
>
> I was in my truck when they weighed it. I weigh 170 lbs. This was a
county
> operated refuse station and I'm assuming they use calibrated scales, so
I'm
> not sure where the discrepancy in weights comes from. I don't have the
PTO
> provision or a rear hitch or cab lights. And come to think of it, I may
not
> have had the spare wheel/tire/crank assembly installed at that time. All
> that would probably add up to a couple hundred pounds. Add your bedliner
> and extra front springs and it almost makes sense.....

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