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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
FW: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
Re: FTE 97up - Box height
FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards
Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards
FTE 97up - box height
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards
FTE 97up - Air Box Improvements
Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards
RE: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards
FTE 97up - Re: SD weight
Re: FW: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
FTE 97up - Truck weights
FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging
RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
FTE 97up - Speed Sensitive Wipers
Re: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging
Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Improvements
FTE 97up - break-in right
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
RE: FTE 97up - break-in right
Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
Re: FTE 97up - Speed Sensitive Wipers
FTE 97up - ADMIN: the SPAM
Re: FTE 97up - break-in right
Re: FTE 97up - Box height
Re: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight
Re: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:03:25 -0500
From: "Dube, David"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?

Dave


- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


Kirk
I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer and
one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any towing,
and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the dealer
another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.

So i am confused, also.
I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"

Brandon


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Werner
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


>
> To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
> motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class
C
> motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
> certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
break-in,
> and after the chip burns, performance increases.
>
> Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
> correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:07:56 -0600
From: "Dube, David"
Subject: FW: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

Sorry, I neglected to mention that in all cases it would have the auto trans
and a 3.73 axle.

Dave


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From: Dube, David
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:03 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?

Dave


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From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


Kirk
I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer and
one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any towing,
and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the dealer
another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.

So i am confused, also.
I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"

Brandon


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Werner
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


>
> To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
> motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class
C
> motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
> certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
break-in,
> and after the chip burns, performance increases.
>
> Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
> correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:29:06 -0500
From: "Shaun Mahoney"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I purchased an F250 Super Duty with the V-10 about 3 weeks ago. I have put
about 1000 miles so far and am averaging about 12.6 mpg so far. I just
ordered a K&N air filter which is supposed to add a couple tenths to the mpg
average. I looked at the diesel myself, but with it being so difficult to
find diesel at the gas station in my area and figuring out how many gallons
of regular I can get for the savings of not getting the diesel, I went with
the V-10. One other point - There are about 100 times as many mod kits for
the V-8 compared to both the V-10 and the PowerStroke diesel.

Good Luck.
Shaun

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Dube, David
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 9:03 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?

Dave


- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


Kirk
I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer and
one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any towing,
and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the dealer
another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.

So i am confused, also.
I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"

Brandon


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Werner
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


>
> To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
> motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class
C
> motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
> certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
break-in,
> and after the chip burns, performance increases.
>
> Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
> correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:40:43 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I have a similar truck, except 4WD and a crew cab. I get 11-12 mpg during
normal driving, and 13-14 on the highway. The V-10 should pull a 2-horse
trailer with ease, but I can't quote any towing mileages for you.

"Dube, David" wrote:

> I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
> short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
> hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
> want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
> loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
> would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
> Kirk
> I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer and
> one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any towing,
> and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the dealer
> another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.
>
> So i am confused, also.
> I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"
>
> Brandon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Werner
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
> >
> > To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
> > motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class
> C
> > motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
> > certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
> break-in,
> > and after the chip burns, performance increases.
> >
> > Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
> > correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:48:22 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Box height

I had the TSB done on my F350. It had the 4 inch blocks and the dealer
installed the 2 inch blocks. Shocks and U-bolts are replaced also and if
you have the rear sway bar, which comes with the camper pkg., the links
need replacing. Headlights need to be adjusted. This will lower the bed
rails about the same 2 inches. Not enough in you case I suspect. If your
hitch can be raised you may get away with it. Otherwise you will probably
have to have the trailer axles "flipped", that is placed under the trailer
axle instead of their normal placement above the axle. Probably run a
couple hundred bucks at your local spring shop. The trailer will be higher
which should be OK. In my case, with a cargo area in the rear of the
trailer, it would make loading the motorcycle more difficult. Most won't
have this problem.

At 03:35 PM 11/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a few questions.
>
>I have a 99 F250 PSD SC long box 4X4.
>
>1. I cannot comfortably get the truck under my 5th wheel without the
>rear of the box almost contacting the bottom part of the trailer. I
>need to have the TSB done that pertains to this problem. I would like
>to know if anybody has had this done, and what costs am I responsible
>for.
>
>2. Does anybody on this list have a comparable truck and has had it
>weighed. I would like to know what it weighs as I would like to
>calculate how to load my trailer, by moving the load to different
>areas, so i do not exceed the GVW of the truck. Our closest scale that
>works is approx. 250 miles from my hometown.
>
>3. I have, gone offroad, and scratched the clearcoat on the Hunter
>Green paint, which leaves a white strip in the center of the scratch.
>I would like to know if there is any easy method of repair.
>
>Thanks
>Harold
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:14:25 -0500
From: Norm Hurst
Subject: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards

Guys-

I have a 97 F150 SC SB 4x4. My daughter fell last night getting out of the
truck, so I think I should get running boards or step rails.

What should I get? Does anyone make aftermarket running boards that look
as good as factory? If I don't plan to go off road much, is there any
advantage to step rails?

Thanks,

Norm


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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:36:30 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards

Running boards---

I have done considerable research on running boards and other accessories. I
found that J&J Enterprises have some of the best "Goodies" I could locate.
Running boards and accessories are stainless steel, so they are on the pricey
side, but very good quality. Web Site: www.j-jent.com or 1-800-367-4961.
Good Luck..Dave Burry - Denver - 303/425/1100
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:02:56 -0500
From: Dana Wade
Subject: FTE 97up - box height

> Subject: FTE 97up - Box height
>
> I have a few questions.
>
> I have a 99 F250 PSD SC long box 4X4.
>
> 1. I cannot comfortably get the truck under my 5th wheel without the
> rear of the box almost contacting the bottom part of the trailer. I
> need to have the TSB done that pertains to this problem. I would like
> to know if anybody has had this done, and what costs am I responsible
> for.
>
> 2. Does anybody on this list have a comparable truck and has had it
> weighed. I would like to know what it weighs as I would like to
> calculate how to load my trailer, by moving the load to different
> areas, so i do not exceed the GVW of the truck. Our closest scale that
> works is approx. 250 miles from my hometown.
>
> 3. I have, gone offroad, and scratched the clearcoat on the Hunter
> Green paint, which leaves a white strip in the center of the scratch.
> I would like to know if there is any easy method of repair.
>
> Thanks
> Harold
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:29:01 EST
> From: DJBurry aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Box height
>
> Rear end height.. Ford has 2 different size spaces they install on the F-250.
> One is a 4 inch and a 2 inch. Look under the back of truck and see what
> size you have. The spacer is between the top of axle and rear leaf spring.
> Check out a few different trucks and you will see what I am talking about.
> The 2000 F-250 have the smaller spacer. I think Ford will replace that for
> you for "Free", I have heard that. If you do change the spacer, you have to
> re-align the rear end I think, check that out...CO

Hi;

I understood that the "height problem"only related to the F 250SD 4x4.

I am planning on buying a 2000 F250 SD 4x2. Would the box height also
be a concern with this vehicle?

Appreciate your comments.

Thanks;

Dana


>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:20:38 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I have a 99 250 SD CC 4x2 with the 5.4L. Empty I average about 15-17 mpg.
Towing a 4000# boat and tlr. on some steep roads the mpg drops to 10-12.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:36:57 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards

Norm Hurst wrote:
>
> Guys-
>
> I have a 97 F150 SC SB 4x4. My daughter fell last night getting out of the
> truck, so I think I should get running boards or step rails.
>
> What should I get? Does anyone make aftermarket running boards that look
> as good as factory? If I don't plan to go off road much, is there any
> advantage to step rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norm
>

Norm,

Running boards can break more easily than step/nerf bars.
The down side to bars is that they rust and fibre glass
running boards do not. Running boards are not as strong if
you hit an obstacle off road. If you can, get bars that
attach to the frame. I have smitty built nerf bars that
bolt to the frame. Some bars mount to the rocker panels
like running boards and can allow damage to the panels.
Bars do not provide as much surface to step on so in the
winter this can become a hazard. Lund industries makes a
nice line of running boards.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:42:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hitt
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Box Improvements

Folks,

I have a 97 F150 4X4 Supercab Offroad w/4.6L auto.
Does anyone have any suggestions for airbox
improvements or aftermarket kits?

I also have a problem with corrosion on right rear
wheel. I have the 17 inch alum wheels and I believe
it has something to do with the exhaust exiting before
the tire. Any info on this is appreciated. Thanks.


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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:22:05 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards

In a message dated 11/12/99 10:17:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
nhurst sarnoff.com writes:

nerf bars ( i have better built) are the best bet, i got my out of cabela's
catalog, 6 bolts each side and viola, you have nice step and some protection.


RS


Date: 11/12/99 10:17:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: nhurst sarnoff.com (Norm Hurst)
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Guys-

I have a 97 F150 SC SB 4x4. My daughter fell last night getting out of the
truck, so I think I should get running boards or step rails.

What should I get? Does anyone make aftermarket running boards that look
as good as factory? If I don't plan to go off road much, is there any
advantage to step rails?

Thanks,

Norm


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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:38:59 -0600
From: "Hein, Mark"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Step Rails/running boards

I'm 6'2" and the only thing that my step rails acomplish is getting my pant
leg dirty every time I step out.

> ----------
> From: Norm Hurst[SMTP:nhurst sarnoff.com]
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>
> Guys-
>
> I have a 97 F150 SC SB 4x4. My daughter fell last night getting out of
> the
> truck, so I think I should get running boards or step rails.
>
> What should I get? Does anyone make aftermarket running boards that look
> as good as factory? If I don't plan to go off road much, is there any
> advantage to step rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norm
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:12:22 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight

Hi Harold,

I have the 99 F350 SC, SRW, LWB, 4X4, V10, XLT with all options. I went to
the local garbage transfer station and went across their scales at 6700 lbs
with full fuel, empty cargo and me in the drivers seat. Your PSD adds 400
lbs (give or take 100 lbs).


Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:21:27 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FW: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I have a 5.4 with the 4.10 rear axle. It gets between 12 and 13 with a
400lb. industrial topper on the back. It got just above 13 without it. Why
don't you want to go to the 4.10 rear end? I test-drove both, and the 4.10
packs a great deal more punch than the 3.73. Mine is a '00 250 SD SC 4x2
auto-trans.

Terry

At 08:07 AM 11/12/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>Sorry, I neglected to mention that in all cases it would have the auto trans
>and a 3.73 axle.
>
>Dave
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dube, David
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:03 AM
>To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
>
>I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
>short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel. I
>hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
>want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
>loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the 5.4L
>would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?
>
>Dave
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
>
>Kirk
>I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer and
>one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any towing,
>and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the dealer
>another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.
>
>So i am confused, also.
>I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"
>
>Brandon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kirk Werner
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
>
>>
>> To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
>> motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class
>C
>> motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
>> certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
>break-in,
>> and after the chip burns, performance increases.
>>
>> Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
>> correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:32:54 EST
From: Speir2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

In a message dated 11/12/99 9:33:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
smahoney blackrock.com writes:


about 1000 miles so far and am averaging about 12.6 mpg so far. I just
ordered a K&N air filter which is supposed to add a couple tenths to the mpg
average. I looked at the diesel myself, but with it being so difficult to >>

I have a 99 Ford PSD with over 26,000 mile on it, I have a record of every
gallon of fuel purchased, the mpg average to date is 17.73 MPG, this is
with towing a GVW 7300 LB TT 20% of the time, while towing will stay
above 12 MPG with cruise set on 68 MPH on a long trip no tow I do get
over 20 MPH this is no GUESS I have the record exact.

Elzie Speir
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:35:38 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Truck weights

Harold,

Just after sending my post on what my truck weighs, I read the forum below
where guys gave their truck weights. Check it out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000408.html

Sincerely,
Harald Stenger


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:55:12 PST
From: "Jason Holmes"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging

Is it safe to follow Ranger maintenance tips for most any problem I
experience? I've read mostly on the Ranger support boards of cleaning the
MAF and re-torquing the lower manifold bolts for Pinging 60mph+ and am
going to try them this weekend. My question is how difficult/time consuming
is the re-torquing process.

Jason

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:03:01 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

I get similar mileage with my V10 4x SD Crew Cab long bed, 11-12mpg in town,
and 13-14mpg on the highway 65mph. With my 28 foot bumper trailer, with
slide out, which runs about 8,000 pounds, I get 8-9mpg as long as I don't
run any faster than 65mph. This is because I have the 4.30 gears. I pulled
the trailer 7,500 miles this summer (9 week vacation). On major intersates
the mileage drops to 7.5mpg because I can't keep it below 75mph. 3.73s would
definitely help the mileage.

The Ford dealer told me to break it in to 500 miles with no towing then go
for it. So I did. 500 w/o towing, and then 7,500 with a full load.

dennis

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From: Stan Wright [mailto:swright hpcisp.com]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 6:41 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


I have a similar truck, except 4WD and a crew cab. I get 11-12 mpg during
normal driving, and 13-14 on the highway. The V-10 should pull a 2-horse
trailer with ease, but I can't quote any towing mileages for you.

"Dube, David" wrote:

> I am on the verge of ordering an F250 SuperDuty, 2WD, Supercab with the
> short bed but am having tough time deciding between the V10 or the diesel.
I
> hear some 'horror' stories about the V10's gas mileage but I don't really
> want the noise and initial expense of the the diesel. I pull moderate
> loads(2 horse trailer) occasionally. Also does anyone know how well the
5.4L
> would do for my pulling and the unloaded gas mileage?
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Adams [mailto:adamsb asu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:38 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
> Kirk
> I just picked up my F250 CC LWB V10 4x4 yesterday (11/10) at the dealer
and
> one guy told me to keep it easy for the first 1000 miles, not do any
towing,
> and vary top speeds frequently. About five minutes before I left the
dealer
> another guy told me to drive it like I would any other time.
>
> So i am confused, also.
> I highly doubt that there is a chip that gets "burned out"
>
> Brandon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk Werner
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period
>
> >
> > To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
> > motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98
class
> C
> > motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after
a
> > certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
> break-in,
> > and after the chip burns, performance increases.
> >
> > Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if
it's
> > correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:34:58 -0500
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted"
Subject: FTE 97up - Speed Sensitive Wipers

Hi All,

I was wondering if anybody came across this one. I have a 98 F-150 XLT
SC and I'm having difficulty getting the 'speed sensitive' mode of my
delayed wipers to work. I have tried the procedure in the owners manual many
times with no luck. I had it to my dealer for a different reason and
mentioned it to the service dept. The guy there says he never heard of such
an option! Don't you just love these service depts. that don't have a clue
as to the product they work on! Well, he looked it up in their shop manual
and found a procedure there which requires them to use their code scanner to
program the computer to enable this feature to work. So after an hour of
messing with this with no results, he says maybe this truck doesn't have
this option. You would think they could tell one way or the other within a
matter of minutes instead of an hour! So I showed him in the Ford sales
brochure for my truck where the XLT and LARIAT both come with speed
sensitive wipers. The delayed wipers work as they always have it's just
that the time delay doesn't vary at all with vehicle speed. Anyone have a
clue!!
Ron

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:12:32 -0500
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging

The high speed pinging on my '96 Explorer stopped after I changed the fuel
filter, but you probably don't have as many miles as I did. (60K)

Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Holmes
To:
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 14:55
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Explorer Pinging


> Is it safe to follow Ranger maintenance tips for most any problem I
> experience? I've read mostly on the Ranger support boards of cleaning the
> MAF and re-torquing the lower manifold bolts for Pinging 60mph+ and am
> going to try them this weekend. My question is how difficult/time
consuming
> is the re-torquing process.
>
> Jason
>
> ______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:11:42 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Improvements

Brian Hitt wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have a 97 F150 4X4 Supercab Offroad w/4.6L auto.
> Does anyone have any suggestions for airbox
> improvements or aftermarket kits?
>
> I also have a problem with corrosion on right rear
> wheel. I have the 17 inch alum wheels and I believe
> it has something to do with the exhaust exiting before
> the tire. Any info on this is appreciated. Thanks.
>
> =====
>
> __________________________________________________

Brian,

Take a look at this site;
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.swbell.net/lexus1/mods.html I will admit it is
difficult to remove. I used pliers to help pull it out.
Add a K&N filter and you are all set.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:41:06 -0400
From: "Steve and Caryl Baron"
Subject: FTE 97up - break-in right

My new 350 Diesel van should have delivered already, but Ford is
unexplainably late. This isn't unusual, I hear. Unprofessional, yes.
Unusual, no.

Aside from showroom anecdotes, I wonder if anyone really KNOWS what is the
best way to break in any engine, and a diesel specifically. The first 600
miles of driving will be by a hired driver with no one supervising - unless
I decide to do a piece of driving that will leave me 900 miles from home.

If I thought that my driving that distance would increase engine and vehicle
life and reduce maintenance needs by a lot of miles I'd do it.
- --
Steve

baronny rcn.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:48:13 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

Just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not true but I would
bet big money that this is nonsense.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Werner
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:59 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period


>
>To all you knowledgable V-10 owners, at what point mileage-wise is that
>motor considered broken in? A friend of mine has the V10 in his '98 class C
>motor home, and he said that the engine has a chip which burns out after a
>certain point...this chip is designed to protect the engine during
break-in,
>and after the chip burns, performance increases.
>
>Is he feeding me a bunch of bull, or is that right? I assume that if it's
>correct, that my '00 F350 V-10 would be equipped with the same chip...?
>
>Thanks
>
>Kirk
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:27:14 -0800
From: "Forsyth, Tim"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - break-in right

Hi Steve,

I don't have any advice on break-in, but just wanted to comment and find out
about the waiting game.

I'm waiting for our E-150 Chateau that was built on 10/25 or 10/26, and the
last update on VOPC is that as of 10/26 it has been released from plant,
with an ETA of 11/16 (original ETA was 11/15, changed on release from
plant.) Neither VOPC or the dealer's computer indicate railcar assignment,
but the dealer indicates that it is not uncommon to have them arrive with
this info not having been updated. He also stated that the convoy company
has been pushing to get deliveries done before the 1-week Thanksgiving and
2-week Christmas shutdowns. Our delivery ramp is in Portland Oregon. My wife
has on more than one occasion suggested that she fly back to Lorain and
drive it back here.

Do you know what your build and ETA dates' are/were?

- -Tim

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Caryl Baron [mailto:baronny rcn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 4:41 AM
To: 97up-list fordtrucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - break-in right

My new 350 Diesel van should have delivered already, but Ford is
unexplainably late. This isn't unusual, I hear. Unprofessional, yes.
Unusual, no.

Aside from showroom anecdotes, I wonder if anyone really KNOWS what is the
best way to break in any engine, and a diesel specifically. The first 600
miles of driving will be by a hired driver with no one supervising - unless
I decide to do a piece of driving that will leave me 900 miles from home.

If I thought that my driving that distance would increase engine and vehicle
life and reduce maintenance needs by a lot of miles I'd do it.
- --
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baronny rcn.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:35:54 -0600
From: Steve #1
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V-10 breakin-in period

"Steve J. Hodson" wrote:

> Just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not true but I would
> bet big money that this is nonsense.

The mileage to be driven before towing is in the owners manual.

- --
Steve #1

'99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
'00 Focus ZX3
'97 Mustang GT 4.6
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/f15099/

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:59:16 -0600
From: Thomas Veik
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed Sensitive Wipers

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:34:58 -0500, "Ron,Marge,Ted"
wrote:

> ...
> sensitive wipers. The delayed wipers work as they always have it's just
> that the time delay doesn't vary at all with vehicle speed. Anyone have a
> clue!!
> Ron
>
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My explorer has speed sensitive wipers, but the amount of variability
is so small that it can't be detected without a stop watch. If the
F-150 is anything like the Explorer, then my guess is that you have
the option and that it is working.

Tom
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:03:41 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: the SPAM

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:23:09 EST
From: Speir2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - break-in right

In a message dated 11/12/99 4:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, baronny rcn.com
writes:


best way to break in any engine, and a diesel specifically. The first 600
miles of driving will be by a hired driver with no one supervising - unless

If I thought that my driving that distance would increase engine and vehicle
life and reduce maintenance needs by a lot of miles I'd do it.
--
Steve
>>
I have a PSD did not tow first 500 miles, other than that varied speed
now and than, now 26,000 no problem to date, My son hauled air freight
east coast to west coast, I ask him how they broke in their new Fords
He said they varied the speed a little otherwise no different than usual,
& he said no problems he is not, owned but driver,
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:26:55 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Box height

> I cannot comfortably get the truck under my 5th wheel without the
> rear of the box almost contacting the bottom part of the trailer.
>
If your trailer rides level, then the Ford ride height fix won't help you any.
If your trailer rides high in the front because the truck's rear suspension is
too high, then the Ford fix will likely correct that. Lowering the truck
doesn't change the distance between box and trailer - it is the hitch height
that does that. If your hitch isn't adjustable, get a new one. RBW's Little
Rocker has 3 king pin height positions and one of the Reese models does also.
Probably others, too. You may be able to find a head and frame that fits onto
your existing bed rails so that you don't have to remount to the frame.

- --
Gary Brinck...
in Florida's Ocala National Forest


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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:11:41 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: SD weight

Hi Harald,....


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