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97up-list-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 303



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: musty odor
Re: FTE 97up - Steering problems - wandering
FTE 97up - Truck is BACK
Re: FTE 97up - Truck is BACK
Re: FTE 97up - Re: musty odor
Re: FTE 97up - Truck is BACK
FTE 97up - Re: Musty Odor in Vents
FTE 97up - ADMIN: New feature for users
FTE 97up - Re: wheel well liners

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 07:44:12 -0600
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: musty odor

> I wouldn't have known about it except for the Mitchell On Demand program I
> use at work for servicing our company fleet.

What is this program?
Lee Haefele
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 08:07:47 -0700
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Steering problems - wandering

First of all, is this a 4x4 or a 4x2???

It sounds like they may have gotten the alignment specs correct the first
time but neglected to lock the steering wheel in a centered position before
performing the toe adjustment.

IF it's a 4x4, when you brought it back, they could have recentered the
steering wheel by simply adjusting the drag link, which would not have
affected the alignment at all. It appears, however, that instead of the
simple fix, they probably started over again and didn't get it right the
second time.

If it's a 4x2, it appears that they just didn't get it right the second
time.

By the way, in reference to the comments about caster adjustments, caster
can be adjusted in two different ways on a 4x4: You can install a different
caster/camber service adjuster bushing on the upper ball joint to alter
caster (and/or camber), or you can install a tapered shim between the leaf
spring pack and the spring mounting pad on the axle tube to alter the
caster. (For larger adjustments, I prefer the tapered shim, since caster
changes at the ball joint can alter the position and angles of the axle
shafts, whereas using a tapered shim won't affect the axle shafts. A certain
amount of axial misalignment at the differential side gear is tolerable, but
too much can increase wear and possibly cause some stress concentration in
the splines.)

On a 4x2, you can install a different caster/camber service adjuster to
alter caster and/or camber.

One way or the other, it shouldn't wander to any significant degree. Period.

Alan


Joseph Veres wrote:

> ...when I got the truck back, I was happy to discover that the
> steering was much better - stayed solidly in the lane with ease. But I
> noticed that they forgot to align the steering wheel.
> I took the truck back to the dealer in September for another
> "list", and included the centering of the steering wheel to the list.
> When I got the truck back, the steering wheel was aligned, but the
> steering was sloppy again, wandering all over the lane.

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:37:39 +700
From: bwat wa.freei.net
Subject: FTE 97up - Truck is BACK

My '99 SuperDuty has been recovered!!

It was found last Sunday (halloween) and it was NOT HARMED
in any way!! "They" put about 200 miles on but didn't take a
thing other than a few bucks I kept in the ashtray (they didn't
even smoke in it!) Just a joy ride, I guess!

SO now, what are my options for prevention? I don't think a
regular alarm does much, in this case they had the keys, ect>
Some sort of kill switch would be the best I think but HOW and
WHERE?? I am interested in Art's CommandLink or something
like at a reasonable cost, say up $300 or so I know, it's cheap
at any price to prevent it from happening again but I believea
prefessional can get by most any system so.....

TIA, Brent in Seattle
P.S. My computer's been on "vacation" so hope this gets thru!!
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:19:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck is BACK

>
> My '99 SuperDuty has been recovered!!
>
> It was found last Sunday (halloween) and it was NOT HARMED
> in any way!! "They" put about 200 miles on but didn't take a
> thing other than a few bucks I kept in the ashtray (they didn't
> even smoke in it!) Just a joy ride, I guess!
>
> SO now, what are my options for prevention? I don't think a
> regular alarm does much, in this case they had the keys, ect>
> Some sort of kill switch would be the best I think but HOW and
> WHERE?? I am interested in Art's CommandLink or something
> like at a reasonable cost, say up $300 or so I know, it's cheap
> at any price to prevent it from happening again but I believea
> prefessional can get by most any system so.....
>
> TIA, Brent in Seattle
> P.S. My computer's been on "vacation" so hope this gets thru!!

I saw an alarm system recently (was it Clifford? I have been sick, so don't
remember if it was them or not) where one needed to enter a PIN before the
truck would start.

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:55:42 EST
From: NORTONMC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: musty odor

Mitchell On Demand is a profesional auto service program used by repair
shops, dealers, etc.
Very expensive, $3,500.00 + per year subscription.

Dennis McNamara

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:00:25 -0600
From: Steve #1
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck is BACK

"Douglas R. Floyd" wrote:

> >
> > My '99 SuperDuty has been recovered!!
> >
> > It was found last Sunday (halloween) and it was NOT HARMED
> > in any way!! "They" put about 200 miles on but didn't take a
> > thing other than a few bucks I kept in the ashtray (they didn't
> > even smoke in it!) Just a joy ride, I guess!
> >
> > SO now, what are my options for prevention? I don't think a
> > regular alarm does much, in this case they had the keys, ect>
> > Some sort of kill switch would be the best I think but HOW and
> > WHERE?? I am interested in Art's CommandLink or something
> > like at a reasonable cost, say up $300 or so I know, it's cheap
> > at any price to prevent it from happening again but I believea
> > prefessional can get by most any system so.....
> >
> > TIA, Brent in Seattle
> > P.S. My computer's been on "vacation" so hope this gets thru!!
>
> I saw an alarm system recently (was it Clifford? I have been sick, so don't
> remember if it was them or not) where one needed to enter a PIN before the
> truck would start.
>
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> Douglas R. Floyd | PGP key fingerprints

Brent, good to hear you got your truck back, and even better that it wasn't
damaged. Clifford dose make an alarm that can be programed so that you must enter
a code before the vehicle can be driven.
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'00 Focus ZX3
'97 Mustang GT 4.6
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:31:51 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Musty Odor in Vents

Is this a rumor......

I have always heard that it is not a good practice to start or kill the
engine in any vehicle with the a/c on. I have always made sure that the a/c
in my truck is off when turning the engine off and also starting it. And by
the way.......I have no musty smell from my vents.....I have a 1998 F150
with 20,000 miles.

Ron
>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:36:03 EST
>From: Fordman4L aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
>
>I appreciate your reactions to my problem of the odor. The dealership I
>brought my truck from also told me that it is normal for any vehicle made
by
>Ford to have that odor in the vents and a.c. But when I asked them to show
>me one on the lot that did that, they couldn't find one, so I am now having
>my truck serviced at a better and bigger dealership. I will ask them to
>check the drainage hose and pan to see if that is the problem. I thought
>that might be the problem this time around because during the past month,
it
>seems that it has not been dripping as much water as it used to. I will
also
>ask them about the deodorizer but I think that is what they have been using
>to fix the problem. Oh yeah, by the way, I leave my a.c. in the on
position
>because I live in North Alabama and I usually need it to be on when I get
in
>my truck. Well, hopefully they will fix my truck right this time with a
few
>"suggestions."


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:29:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New feature for users

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has added a new feature which the
users should find useful: "The Ford Truck Top 100"

This is a ranking of the Top 100 Ford truck sites on the
Internet. Currently, there are no sites ranked. Feel
free to add your web site! This ranking is open to
all Ford truck sites, personal or commercial. With this
system, you sign up and it gives you the HTML to put in
your page. Visitors to your site can then rank your site
1-10. The rankings are updated once an hour. The sites
with the highest overall combined votes and rank gets
the highest ranking.

Check it out at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/topsites/topsites.html

Enjoy!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 18:41:35 +0100
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: wheel well liners

Please let the list know if you find a place that sells these...I was
surprised when I bought '00 F350 that it didn't come with them, or that Ford
didn't offer it as an option. One of the few good things about my previous
Dodge was that they did a great job of lining the wheel wells.

Thanks,
Kirk Werner

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>Date: Sun, Nov 7, 1999, 12:10 PM
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> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:15:45 -0500
> From: "Robert T. Salisbury"
> Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Well Liners
>
> Does anyone know where I might find Polyethylene rear wheel well liners for
> my 2000 F-250 SD? Here in the northeast winter road salt plays havoc with
> the inside fender areas of our vehicles. I have found that installing these
> wheel well liners eliminate this problem. I have bought them from JC Whitney
> in the past but they do not carry them for the late model Fords. Any
> information would be helpful. Thanks, Bob Salisbury
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