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97up-list-digest Saturday, November 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 301



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
RE: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents
Re: [Re: FTE 97up - electrical prob... ut, oh..
FTE 97up - Fog Lights, redux
Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lights, redux
FTE 97up - Steering problems - wandering

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:34:19 -0500
From: CnC
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

I have the same problem with my 1997 F150 and 4.6 engine. I complained to
the dealer, but he said that the smell was normal. Now that you mention
mold, it does smell like water didn't drain out like it is supposed to,

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From: Fordman4L aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents


|I own a 99 F-150 with the 4.6L engine. About a month after I got the
truck,
|it developed a strong musty odor in the air conditioning. After several
|services at the dealership, I was told that it was caused by mold. It has
|been sprayed down several times with some kind of disinfectant. However, I
|still have problems with the stench. Now it has started to smell musty
when
|I run the heater. It didn't do this last year and I'm not really sure if
it
|has anything to do with the a.c. or not. I don't have time to leave it at
|the dealership right now and I would like to hear any opinion that you may
|have about what is causing this.
|
|Daniel Moore
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:09:30 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

In the owners manual of my '99 F350 it says that the AC should never be in
the OFF position when parked. This allows draining of condensation I believe.

From the manual:
"Under normal conditions, your vehicle's climate control system should be
left in any position other than MAX A/C or OFF when the vehicle is parked.
This allows the vehicle to "breathe" through the outside air inlet duct.

Not sure if this is your problem but it's worth checking into especially if
you have been leaving it in the off position.

At 02:20 AM 11/5/99 EST, you wrote:
>I own a 99 F-150 with the 4.6L engine. About a month after I got the truck,
>it developed a strong musty odor in the air conditioning. After several
>services at the dealership, I was told that it was caused by mold. It has
>been sprayed down several times with some kind of disinfectant. However, I
>still have problems with the stench. Now it has started to smell musty when
>I run the heater. It didn't do this last year and I'm not really sure if it
>has anything to do with the a.c. or not. I don't have time to leave it at
>the dealership right now and I would like to hear any opinion that you may
>have about what is causing this.
>
>Daniel Moore


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:25:41 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

Exactly my dear Watson...

Basically the condensation that drips from the AC element is not draining
out properly. We all know what killer AC Ford puts in their vehicles and if
you live in a humid climate it produces even more moisture. On a hot, humid
day (not that we have any left) you should see heavy dripping of water from
under the truck when the AC is running. Either the drain hose is clogged by
the mold that has formed and or the drain/catch pan beneath the element was
improperly installed.

Take it back to Ford and tell them you don't want it back until it's fixed.

Also if you park you truck in a garage at home you might want to leave you
windows cracked or down. This may help any excess moisture evaporate.

Oh, if you happen to have a friend with a similar truck, start them up and
run their AC's at the same level and compare the drainage. Sounds silly but
it might be a way to see if something is "obviously" wrong.

Joe



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Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 6:34 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

I have the same problem with my 1997 F150 and 4.6 engine. I complained to
the dealer, but he said that the smell was normal. Now that you mention
mold, it does smell like water didn't drain out like it is supposed to,

- -----Original Message-----
From: Fordman4L aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents


|I own a 99 F-150 with the 4.6L engine. About a month after I got the
truck,
|it developed a strong musty odor in the air conditioning. After several
|services at the dealership, I was told that it was caused by mold. It has
|been sprayed down several times with some kind of disinfectant. However, I
|still have problems with the stench. Now it has started to smell musty
when
|I run the heater. It didn't do this last year and I'm not really sure if
it
|has anything to do with the a.c. or not. I don't have time to leave it at
|the dealership right now and I would like to hear any opinion that you may
|have about what is causing this.
|
|Daniel Moore
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:58:01 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

It is usually caused by mildew in the air box. Ford has a chemical that
goes in through the cowl and kills the mildew and eliminates the smell. It
used to be a aerosol can, but I think its now a powder. The old part was
"Motorcraft Air conditioning system deoderizer YN-15", but I'm not sure on
the new one.

Nathan

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Subject: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents


> I own a 99 F-150 with the 4.6L engine. About a month after I got the
truck,
> it developed a strong musty odor in the air conditioning. After several
> services at the dealership, I was told that it was caused by mold. It has
> been sprayed down several times with some kind of disinfectant. However,
I
> still have problems with the stench. Now it has started to smell musty
when
> I run the heater. It didn't do this last year and I'm not really sure if
it
> has anything to do with the a.c. or not. I don't have time to leave it at
> the dealership right now and I would like to hear any opinion that you may
> have about what is causing this.
>
> Daniel Moore
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:58:38 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Musty Odor in Vents

Fordman4L aol.com wrote:
>
> I own a 99 F-150 with the 4.6L engine. About a month after I got the truck,
> it developed a strong musty odor in the air conditioning. After several
> services at the dealership, I was told that it was caused by mold. It has
> been sprayed down several times with some kind of disinfectant. However, I
> still have problems with the stench. Now it has started to smell musty when
> I run the heater. It didn't do this last year and I'm not really sure if it
> has anything to do with the a.c. or not. I don't have time to leave it at
> the dealership right now and I would like to hear any opinion that you may
> have about what is causing this.
>
> Daniel Moore


Hi Daniel:

I've had Ford and Mercury cars starting in 1991 as I
rented new ones by the month until 1998 when I bought
a 1999 Mazda B2500 Truck which is almost identical to
the Ford Ranger. Every one of perhaps over 60 passenger
cars and this truck ALL had/have the same MUSTY ODOR that
you have mentioned at one time or another.

Why hasn't Ford done something about this? Your guess
is as good as mine.

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Date: 5 Nov 99 14:17:33 PST
From: lee cowell
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 97up - electrical prob... ut, oh..

Joe...
we ought to quantify where that "rubbing" took place. was it sloppy
workmanship on the original build or a possible design defect? the reason=
for
our concern (and your co-worker as well) is if this rubbing took place
"before" the fuse (between the fuse block & the battery supply). this loc=
ation
would prevent the fuse from opening (burning out) & as a result could pre=
sent
a possible fire hazard. also note that if your dealer does not have a rea=
lly
"savvy" ET (electronic technician) the "alleged" floating ground I mentio=
ned
can be extremely difficult to detect as often no failure codes will be
generated via diagnostics. keep me posted as to solution. -Lee

"Joe Mossbarger" wrote:
Thanks Lee, I talked with a guy at work today that had a truck very simil=
iar =

to mine with an electrical problem. He said that after four trips to the =

dealer, it ended up that the wiring harness was rubbing agianst something=
=

and it shorted out a couple of wires. I am supposed to take the truck in =
on =

Monday, so I will make some suggestions to them.

Thanks, I will let you know if I find anything else out.

Joe Mossbarger



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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:07 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: FTE 97up - Fog Lights, redux

I have a question or two... I have a 99-F250SD, with regular lights. From
the notes earlier I get the feeling that this unit might have been bought
with fog-lights (since this is a 2nd hand rig I don't know all the options).
Is/Was fog lights an option for this rig?
Does this option include a special switch (that just does the fog lights)
or is it a switch that replaces the regular light switch.

TTFN

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:25:57 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lights, redux

It's not a factory option, but it should be a (ford accessories) dealer option.
The light switch is replaced, and the fog lights are made be Hella.
I don't have this myself.

The part # is F81Z 15200 AA.
>From Nathan back in Feb this year.
Cost was about $200 or so.

The replaced light switch is like the F150/Expedition.


Ralph Lindberg wrote:

> I have a question or two... I have a 99-F250SD, with regular lights. From
> the notes earlier I get the feeling that this unit might have been bought
> with fog-lights (since this is a 2nd hand rig I don't know all the options).
> Is/Was fog lights an option for this rig?
> Does this option include a special switch (that just does the fog lights)
> or is it a switch that replaces the regular light switch.
>
> TTFN
>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:54:18 -0900 (AKST)
From: akmomndad webtv.net (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - Steering problems - wandering

Hi Y'all - This is a problem that has been posted before - I've
read most of them, still can't get my problem solved. Maybe Nathan or
someone else can help me out.
I've got a 99 SD SC PSD - took it home last December. I Noticed
right away that there was a steering problem of some type. The truck
was hard to keep in the lane, kept wanting to "wander" from side to
side.
In June, I took it into the dealer for a list of things to be done.
I noticed that the steering wheel was not properly aligned, and added
that to the list, as well as the steering problem.
when I got the truck back, I was happy to discover that the
steering was much better - stayed solidly in the lane with ease. But I
noticed that they forgot to align the steering wheel.
I took the truck back to the dealer in September for another
"list", and included the centering of the steering wheel to the list.
When I got the truck back, the steering wheel was aligned, but the
steering was sloppy again, wandering all over the lane.
Took it back in October complaining about the steering. I was told
that this is "normal due to caster being low. All Superduties have a
lower caster". They said it can't be fixed - even though they had fixed
it once! They claimed that their records showed that they didn't do
anything to it last time to make it steer better, and couldn't explain
why it improved.
Took it back in November. As per previous posts, I suggested that
they back off the adjusting nut on the steering box a bit - when I got
the truck, the invoice said, "Found steering gear too tight - adjusted
steering gear to operate smoother."
If they did anything, it didn't help - still wanders badly.
Don't know where to go from here - the way it is, it's quite tiring....


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