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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F-350 -- It's Here!
RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn
Re: FTE 97up - High Beams
FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size
FTE 97up - electrical prob... possible "missing" ground?
RE: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 4x4 rim size
FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size
Re: FTE 97up - electrical prob... possible "missing" ground?
Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:48:23 -0800
From: "Godfrey, Jeff {INFO~Palo Alto}"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-350 -- It's Here!

Well, after a lot of combined frustration and patience, I finally have my
new truck. Took delivery yesterday of my '00 F-350 SD Crew Cab PSD 4x4 SRW
Lariat Long Bed. Wow, whatta truck! Great color combo (dark red / black),
plenty of power with the PSD, and a surprisingly smooth ride. I originally
ordered this beast 6/1/98 -- yep, over a year ago. After waiting 9 months
with no build date in sight I canceled the original order. I tried again
this year, coincidentally again on June 1st, exactly one year later. The
truck came in when I was out of town in mid-October. I found an excellent
Ford rep in Alison at Broadway Motors in Oakland CA. She did everything
possible to make sure my purchase was entirely hassle free. No BS, no game
playing, much of the 'paperwork' done over phone and fax, and all in all
completely pleasant to work with. I will be her loyal customer for as long
as she works for Ford, and I would highly recommend her to anyone looking to
buy a (non-SVT) Ford product. Happy truckin' everyone!

JSGodfrey

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:31:46 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn

Hmmm... what you say makes sense... I never thought of it from the angle
that the horn circuit is only "hot" when you're honking it... and I was not
blowing the horn at the time of the splash. I'll have to check the blower
like you said. Thanks for setting me straight!

--Steve


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From: Noll, William E(Z01981) [mailto:WNOLL apsc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:45 PM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn


I've got the same problem right now... Half a horn. Unfortunately,
the lower pitched one went out, and now when I honk, it sounds like a cheap
Jap car.
My 4x4 Off-Road has been through plenty of deep water, but I noticed
mine gone after a rainey hunting trip. I have yet to really get to
troubleshooting the horn, but I doubt the horn shorted out..
Consider that the horn only has power when it is being honked. If
only one went out, that could not be an electrical problem (from what I have
researched so far, there is only one fuse), but what I believe to be a stuck
blower, possibly caused by dirt or rust from the water intrusion. It might
be best to try spinning the blower to see if it moves freely first. Mine
went out of warranty a long time ago!!

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:32:29 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - High Beams

At 5:01 PM -0800 11/2/99, Scott Matus wrote:
>to add to my other High Beam post. A friend of mine suggested using a
>$10.00 Laser point as a good defense. Just try not to literally blind the
>guy.

Please don't. Besides being very dangerous, this type of application is
also illegal (for that reason) in many areas

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:16 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?

Folks, I am not an electonics type, but if the horn was wired so that to
toot a circuit would be completed at the horn switch by forming a ground for
the "hot" circuit, coundn't water splashing in the horn have created an
alternate grounding pathway for the electicity resulting in a short even
though no one blew the horn. [i.e., red wire to horn, black wire to
steering wheel switch, grounds black wire when you push on, completes
circuit, horn blows.]

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Zinski, Steve
To:
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn


> Hmmm... what you say makes sense... I never thought of it from the angle
> that the horn circuit is only "hot" when you're honking it... and I was
not
> blowing the horn at the time of the splash. I'll have to check the blower
> like you said. Thanks for setting me straight!
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:32:27 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?

Pushing the horn button on the steering wheel just activates the horn relay.
The horn relay applies power to the horns.

Keith Veren wrote:

> Folks, I am not an electonics type, but if the horn was wired so that to
> toot a circuit would be completed at the horn switch by forming a ground for
> the "hot" circuit, coundn't water splashing in the horn have created an
> alternate grounding pathway for the electicity resulting in a short even
> though no one blew the horn. [i.e., red wire to horn, black wire to
> steering wheel switch, grounds black wire when you push on, completes
> circuit, horn blows.]
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Zinski, Steve
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:31 AM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn
>
> > Hmmm... what you say makes sense... I never thought of it from the angle
> > that the horn circuit is only "hot" when you're honking it... and I was
> not
> > blowing the horn at the time of the splash. I'll have to check the blower
> > like you said. Thanks for setting me straight!
> >
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:38:12 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?

Does the horn relay activate the horn by providing a ground to an active
horn circuit, or (most likely) does the relay allow power to go to a
self-grounded horn?

Keith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Wright
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?


> Pushing the horn button on the steering wheel just activates the horn
relay.
> The horn relay applies power to the horns.
>
> Keith Veren wrote:
>
> > Folks, I am not an electonics type, but if the horn was wired so that to
> > toot a circuit would be completed at the horn switch by forming a ground
for
> > the "hot" circuit, coundn't water splashing in the horn have created an
> > alternate grounding pathway for the electicity resulting in a short even
> > though no one blew the horn. [i.e., red wire to horn, black wire to
> > steering wheel switch, grounds black wire when you push on, completes
> > circuit, horn blows.]
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Zinski, Steve
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:31 AM
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn
> >
> > > Hmmm... what you say makes sense... I never thought of it from the
angle
> > > that the horn circuit is only "hot" when you're honking it... and I
was
> > not
> > > blowing the horn at the time of the splash. I'll have to check the
blower
> > > like you said. Thanks for setting me straight!
> > >
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:04:46 -0500
From: Stan Wright
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?

The relay provides power to the horns. The horns are probably grounded near the
horns somewhere.

I haven't followed this thread very closely, but you might look at a few
things. When you toot the horn, is power getting to the horn? I think I
remember that the other horn works, so power is probably reaching the bad horn,
but you might check anyway. Also make sure the ground to the bad horn is good.
Make sure that the water didn't make the ground connection rust, or get into a
harness connector. If the horn got flooded it might have had standing water in
it that could have damaged it electrically or mechanically.

Keith Veren wrote:

> Does the horn relay activate the horn by providing a ground to an active
> horn circuit, or (most likely) does the relay allow power to go to a
> self-grounded horn?
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Wright
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?
>
> > Pushing the horn button on the steering wheel just activates the horn
> relay.
> > The horn relay applies power to the horns.
> >
> > Keith Veren wrote:
> >
> > > Folks, I am not an electonics type, but if the horn was wired so that to
> > > toot a circuit would be completed at the horn switch by forming a ground
> for
> > > the "hot" circuit, coundn't water splashing in the horn have created an
> > > alternate grounding pathway for the electicity resulting in a short even
> > > though no one blew the horn. [i.e., red wire to horn, black wire to
> > > steering wheel switch, grounds black wire when you push on, completes
> > > circuit, horn blows.]
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Zinski, Steve
> > > To:
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:31 AM
> > > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn
> > >
> > > > Hmmm... what you say makes sense... I never thought of it from the
> angle
> > > > that the horn circuit is only "hot" when you're honking it... and I
> was
> > > not
> > > > blowing the horn at the time of the splash. I'll have to check the
> blower
> > > > like you said. Thanks for setting me straight!
> > > >
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:40:10 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ground horn circuit to honk?

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> Folks, I am not an electonics type, but if the horn was wired so that to
> toot a circuit would be completed at the horn switch by forming a ground for
> the "hot" circuit, coundn't water splashing in the horn have created an
> alternate grounding pathway for the electicity resulting in a short even
> though no one blew the horn. [i.e., red wire to horn, black wire to
> steering wheel switch, grounds black wire when you push on, completes
> circuit, horn blows.]
>
> Keith
>

Keith,

The horn is powered via a relay. Everything from the
ground through the horn to the relay is dead till the horn
button is pressed thus energizing the relay and completing
the horn circuit.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:58:37 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

Heck, hang on for a couple of weeks and I'll sell you a brand new set of
chrome bumpers off a 2000 150 Lariat Flaresade. I'm having a set of color
keyed bumpers installed. Basically the "Sport pkg" look on a Lariat.

Joe


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From: Jose Pomposo Jr. [mailto:pomposo gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:04 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

for pre '99 F-150's, is a new front bumper required for the fog lamps? On
the '99's I believe all you have to change is the lower valance. If yes,
does anyone know the price for a 4x4 chrome front bumper for a '98?

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From: Suarez, William
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:39 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch


>Doug,
>
>You'll need to get a new switch and face plate, but yes all the wiring
>should be available for you to use.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Douglas R. Floyd
>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:28 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
>
>
>Speaking of fog lamps, is it possible to add aftermarkets, and use the same
>switch? Even F150's that don't have them, the switch does pull out, so it
>seems possible to hook wires to it for fogs.
>
>Just a guess, however.
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:24:21 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size

Thanks!
- -----Original Message-----
From: David & Laura Manuel
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size


>I checked on the inside door jam and the 2000 rims are also 7 inch.
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Date: 3 Nov 99 15:21:18 PST
From: lee cowell
Subject: FTE 97up - electrical prob... possible "missing" ground?

Joe, saw similar behavior on a vehicle years ago.. the ECU had a "floatin=
g"
ground. some lamps get their input from the ECU (either by applying groun=
d or
+ voltage to illuminate the lamp). if either the lamp side or the ECU
intermittently "loses" ground this will result in some very strange (and
probably incorrect) behavior (indicators "on" when they ought to be "off"=
&
visa versa with intermittence). if anyone's been "messing" around with th=
e ECU
lately you may want to ascertain that it still retains a firm ground. you=

could "ohm" the thing with a meter if you have one or physically verify t=
hat
all ground straps in the area (of the instrument panel/ECU) are securely
"grounded". hope this helps.

- -Lee



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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:49:42 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 4x4 rim size

So what's the width of the 17" wheels on the 2000 F150 4x4?? I'm thinking
of going with a slightly wider tire on my new 2000 F150 Lariat 4x4, but I'm
not sure what to go with. The stock tires are 265/70/17s. What should I get
if I want to go about an inch wider??

Joe


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From: Steve J. Hodson [mailto:hodsonsj mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 4:24 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size

Thanks!
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From: David & Laura Manuel
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size


>I checked on the inside door jam and the 2000 rims are also 7 inch.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:31:24 -0800
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size

>Can you tell me what the width of the rims is on your 2000 SD? Im curious
>to see if my 99 with 7 inch rims would work with 295/75's also or if the
>2000 SD's got wider rims that will work with these. Thanks!

16 x 7
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:06:28 PST
From: "Joe Mossbarger"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - electrical prob... possible "missing" ground?

Thanks Lee, I talked with a guy at work today that had a truck very similiar
to mine with an electrical problem. He said that after four trips to the
dealer, it ended up that the wiring harness was rubbing agianst something
and it shorted out a couple of wires. I am supposed to take the truck in on
Monday, so I will make some suggestions to them.

Thanks, I will let you know if I find anything else out.

Joe Mossbarger


>From: lee cowell
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - electrical prob... possible "missing" ground?
>Date: 3 Nov 99 15:21:18 PST
>
>Joe, saw similar behavior on a vehicle years ago.. the ECU had a "floating"
>ground. some lamps get their input from the ECU (either by applying ground
>or
>+ voltage to illuminate the lamp). if either the lamp side or the ECU
>intermittently "loses" ground this will result in some very strange (and
>probably incorrect) behavior (indicators "on" when they ought to be "off" &
>visa versa with intermittence). if anyone's been "messing" around with the
>ECU
>lately you may want to ascertain that it still retains a firm ground. you
>could "ohm" the thing with a meter if you have one or physically verify
>that
>all ground straps in the area (of the instrument panel/ECU) are securely
>"grounded". hope this helps.
>
>-Lee
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:15:04 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

Unfortunately the '00 front bumpers are different from a '98's.
- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch


>Heck, hang on for a couple of weeks and I'll sell you a brand new set of
>chrome bumpers off a 2000 150 Lariat Flaresade. I'm having a set of color
>keyed bumpers installed. Basically the "Sport pkg" look on a Lariat.
>
>Joe
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jose Pomposo Jr. [mailto:pomposo gte.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:04 PM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
>
>for pre '99 F-150's, is a new front bumper required for the fog lamps? On
>the '99's I believe all you have to change is the lower valance. If yes,
>does anyone know the price for a 4x4 chrome front bumper for a '98?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Suarez, William
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:39 AM
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
>
>
>>Doug,
>>
>>You'll need to get a new switch and face plate, but yes all the wiring
>>should be available for you to use.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Douglas R. Floyd
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:28 AM
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
>>
>>
>>Speaking of fog lamps, is it possible to add aftermarkets, and use the
same
>>switch? Even F150's that don't have them, the switch does pull out, so it
>>seems possible to hook wires to it for fogs.
....


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