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97up-list-digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 298



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
RE: FTE 97up - Fog-driving lamp
FTE 97up - High Beams
Re: FTE 97up - High Beams
FTE 97up - More on fog lights.
FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size
FTE 97up - Blown horn
Re: FTE 97up - High Beams
FTE 97up - High Beams
RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn
FTE 97up - Transmission Overdrive Indicator Light
Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
FTE 97up - Electrical Problem
RE: FTE 97up - High Beams
FTE 97up - piston slap and updates from ford
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size
Re: FTE 97up - Truck is here! (NO, not the stolen one!)

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:42:00 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

Doug,

You'll need to get a new switch and face plate, but yes all the wiring
should be available for you to use.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:28 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch


Speaking of fog lamps, is it possible to add aftermarkets, and use the same
switch? Even F150's that don't have them, the switch does pull out, so it
seems possible to hook wires to it for fogs.

Just a guess, however.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:43:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog-driving lamp

I've been looking at add on driving light, that will mount in both side of the front
license plate. Since I hunt & fish, I'm looking for a powerful light that will go far
and wide. I'm only going to use it off road or if I'm all alone on a country roads.
Also, I would like it to fit nicely in the Air intake.

I've been looking at PIAA 1400, 1000, 910, 959 and other lights, and it's confusing
which one is the best. I'm aiming at the 959 or the 910. Any suggestion!!!

Just to let you know, I live in the worst county in Ohio for deer accident (Fairfield
county). I see average 7
dead deer daily on my way to work (get's worst during the rut).

Thank you.


Hunter.


> You'll need to get a new switch and face plate, but yes all the wiring
> should be available for you to use.

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 06:36:31 PST
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - High Beams

I had this happen to me last night.

A Toy PU was behind me with his High beams on. They made it difficult to
proceed. I remember a trick that my sister-in-law used. She would readjust
her power mirrors to shine the light back on the driver's face. With the
big TT mirrors on the SD it worked great. The guy backed off and eventually
checked his instrument cluster, and shut them off.

Scott.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:56:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - High Beams

That's why I have a 100 W. fog light installed in the back of my truck. I have no
problem with anyone comes behind me with his high beam on. I also use it a lot
backing-up. I have cheap 55 W. in front and they are "CHEAP" that's why I'm looking to
chang them soon.


> I had this happen to me last night.
>
> A Toy PU was behind me with his High beams on. They made it difficult to
> proceed. I remember a trick that my sister-in-law used. She would readjust
> her power mirrors to shine the light back on the driver's face. With the
> big TT mirrors on the SD it worked great. The guy backed off and eventually
> checked his instrument cluster, and shut them off.

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:22:52 -0700
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: FTE 97up - More on fog lights.

Just a note about "fog" lights:

A "true" fog light is a light with an orange lens or filter that removes
most of the green/blue/violet end of the white light spectrum. This end
of the visible spectrum has shorter wavelengths than the other end of
the spectrum, and the shorter the wavelength, the more the light is
diffracted (bent) as it passes through tiny water droplets that are
suspended in the air (aka, "fog"). The yellow/orange/red portion of the
spectrum has longer wavelengths, which are diffracted to a much lesser
degree as the light passes through the water droplets. What this means
is that there is a LOT less light "scatter" with an orange lens compared
with a plain white light, allowing the driver to see through more of the
fog rather than staring at the glare of billions of water droplets that
are brightly illuminated by the light scatter and reflecting back at the
driver. Actually, a red lens would be even more effective in reducing
scatter, although the obvious confusion with brake lights could cause
some serious problems.

One common misconception is that an orange light "penetrates" the fog
better than a white light. This is not technically true. An orange light
simply eliminates much of the light scatter that reflects back to the
driver from the water droplets in the fog, improving the driver's
forward vision by reducing the glare from the scatter. This makes it
"appear" to a driver that the orange light penetrates the fog more
effectively. Remember, you're not adding orange light by using an orange
lens, you're just filtering out other colors/wavelengths.

Optimizing the angle of fog lights relative to the driver's eye position
may help to some degree (so to speak) in reducing fog-reflected glare,
but the most effective way to reduce fog-reflected glare is to filter
out the shorter wavelengths of light.

Alan





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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:31:24 -0800
From: Dave Santo
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size

>Can you tell me what the width of the rims is on your 2000 SD? Im curious
>to see if my 99 with 7 inch rims would work with 295/75's also or if the
>2000 SD's got wider rims that will work with these. Thanks!

16 x 7
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:57:18 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: FTE 97up - Blown horn

A couple of months ago, I was driving my truck in a bad storm. I drove the
truck through a moderate pool of water at about 35 MPH and noticed this
funny "popping" sound coming from the right-front wheel well which lasted a
few seconds. I thought that the cold water splashing up on the engine had
cracked something and I immediately pulled down a side street and checked.
Nothing unusual. Truck's been fine ever since.

Last week, some lady almost ran me off the road and I had to lay on my horn.
It sounded a little funny. Wasn't loud enough and didn't have the two-tone
"harmony" sound that it once had. Over the weekend, I pulled the connection
to each horn and tried them separately. Only one of the horns works. The
other just makes a clicking sound. I reversed the wires to rule out an
electrical problem. No difference.

I have to assume that the puddle somehow sprayed water up into one of the
horns and shorted it out, thus making an electrical popping sound. The horns
are exposed to the elements and you can see them easily through the wheel
well. At least I know what that sound was now!

Truck's still under warranty. Looks like I'll be paying my dealer another
visit. Sigh.

--Steve
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:32:46 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - High Beams

I personally reach down and activate the rear-facing aircraft landing
lights. It works even better! ;-)

Terry


At 06:36 AM 11/02/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>I had this happen to me last night.
>
>A Toy PU was behind me with his High beams on. They made it difficult to
>proceed. I remember a trick that my sister-in-law used. She would readjust
>her power mirrors to shine the light back on the driver's face. With the
>big TT mirrors on the SD it worked great. The guy backed off and eventually
>checked his instrument cluster, and shut them off.
>
>Scott.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:01:31 PST
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - High Beams

to add to my other High Beam post. A friend of mine suggested using a
$10.00 Laser point as a good defense. Just try not to literally blind the
guy.

Scott.


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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:45:01 -0700
From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Blown horn

I've got the same problem right now... Half a horn. Unfortunately,
the lower pitched one went out, and now when I honk, it sounds like a cheap
Jap car.
My 4x4 Off-Road has been through plenty of deep water, but I noticed
mine gone after a rainey hunting trip. I have yet to really get to
troubleshooting the horn, but I doubt the horn shorted out..
Consider that the horn only has power when it is being honked. If
only one went out, that could not be an electrical problem (from what I have
researched so far, there is only one fuse), but what I believe to be a stuck
blower, possibly caused by dirt or rust from the water intrusion. It might
be best to try spinning the blower to see if it moves freely first. Mine
went out of warranty a long time ago!!


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A couple of months ago, I was driving my truck in a bad storm. I drove the
truck through a moderate pool of water at about 35 MPH and noticed this
funny "popping" sound coming from the right-front wheel well which lasted a
few seconds. I thought that the cold water splashing up on the engine had
cracked something and I immediately pulled down a side street and checked.
Nothing unusual. Truck's been fine ever since.

Last week, some lady almost ran me off the road and I had to lay on my horn.
It sounded a little funny. Wasn't loud enough and didn't have the two-tone
"harmony" sound that it once had. Over the weekend, I pulled the connection
to each horn and tried them separately. Only one of the horns works. The
other just makes a clicking sound. I reversed the wires to rule out an
electrical problem. No difference.

I have to assume that the puddle somehow sprayed water up into one of the
horns and shorted it out, thus making an electrical popping sound. The horns
are exposed to the elements and you can see them easily through the wheel
well. At least I know what that sound was now!

Truck's still under warranty. Looks like I'll be paying my dealer another
visit. Sigh.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:53:15 -0700
From: "Noll, William E(Z01981)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Transmission Overdrive Indicator Light

Has anyone else experienced problems with the flashing Automatic
Transmission Overdrive Indicator (the one on the drive selector arm)?

I have a '97 F150 XLT, 4.6l V8, auto trans, 4x4 Off Road.

Mine originally started blinking around 12000 miles. It only came
in when driving on the freeway (65-80 mph). The dealer replaced a sensor.

Then, about a year and another 12000 miles, it started blinking
again. This time the dealer found "no codes" on that indicator, even though
the damn light must have triggered over a hundred different occasions.

Well, I'm at the 60,000 level now, and it has been a continuing (but
expected) nuisance. I will be taking it back to the dealer next month
(supposedly, since this has been an ongoing problem, it is still covered
under the old warranty) and hopefully it will "code".

Anyone else see this?
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:03:32 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

for pre '99 F-150's, is a new front bumper required for the fog lamps? On
the '99's I believe all you have to change is the lower valance. If yes,
does anyone know the price for a 4x4 chrome front bumper for a '98?

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From: Suarez, William
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:39 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch


>Doug,
>
>You'll need to get a new switch and face plate, but yes all the wiring
>should be available for you to use.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Douglas R. Floyd
>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:28 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch
>
>
>Speaking of fog lamps, is it possible to add aftermarkets, and use the same
>switch? Even F150's that don't have them, the switch does pull out, so it
>seems possible to hook wires to it for fogs.
>
>Just a guess, however.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:06:38 PST
From: "Joe Mossbarger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Electrical Problem

Hello all, I have been a lurker on this list for about a month and now I
need your help. I have a 97 SC 4x4 that I had some mysterious problems with
this evening. When I left from work (in the rain), the airbag light came on
and stayed on for the 15 minute drive home. On the drive home, the 4 wheel
drive light and the 4 wheel low light kept coming on and going off. I
thought that once I got the truck home and shut it off and started it back
up, everything would be alright, well it wasn't, the lights were still on.

The other strange thing, was after I turned off the truck and took out the
keys, the fan (for the defroster) kept running. I thought that after I
opened the door it would stop (as with the windows). It didn't, the fan
would have ran all night had i not noticed, so I had to turn the selector to
off to get it to stop.

Does anyone have any ideas? I plan on calling the dealership tomorrow, but I
feel like I have a better chance of getting the right answer from you folks!

Thanks,
Joe Mossbarger

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:07:25 -0600
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - High Beams

...and then start dodging bullets :)

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:02 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - High Beams


to add to my other High Beam post. A friend of mine suggested using a
$10.00 Laser point as a good defense. Just try not to literally blind the
guy.

Scott.


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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:16:51 -0600
From: "Manuel Ziegler"
Subject: FTE 97up - piston slap and updates from ford

I have a relative that works for Ford and I was told that any engine built
from 4/15/99 on will have the updates to repair the problem of piston slap,
also any engine that is from FQR will also have the same update to correct
the problem.
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:53:18 -0800
From: David & Laura Manuel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD rim size

I checked on the inside door jam and the 2000 rims are also 7 inch.....

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