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In this issue:

FTE 97up - SD Brake Update
Re: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions
FTE 97up - Re: 97up-2000 SD brake problem
Re: FTE 97up -
Re: FTE 97up -
RE: FTE 97up -
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem
Re: FTE 97up -
FTE 97up - Consumer Reports truck report
Re: FTE 97up -
RE: FTE 97up -
Re: FTE 97up -
Re: FTE 97up -
FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:18:51 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Brake Update

Hey folks, thought I'd drop an update on my SD brake problems.

My truck has about 17K on the odometer and I had developed a bad vibration
in the brakes, directly proportional to speed and pressure. At highway
speed, if I had to jump on the quickly the vibration was so bad it could
pull the wheel from your hand.

In any event, it turns out Ford got 11,000 bad sets of rotors from the
subcontractor, out of the first 200,000 SD's built. Not only did they have
to replace all four rotors but apparently the front rotors have been
redesigned which meant they had to replace the front hubs as well to
accomodate the new hubs. I'm sure it wasn't a fun job but the folks at Main
Street Ford in Waltham, MA were really great about doing the work.

If anyone out there has a brake vibration on a 99 (mines a 99 1/1) SD, I
suggest you get in to have them checked.

Nathan - has Ford issued anything "official" on this to you??

Bill Suarez

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 07:14:23 -0500
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions

Pull the fuse out that gives power to the transmission so it won't shift
(if it's isolated from other needed electric devices in the vehicle).

- -Dean Baruffi





At 09:19 PM 10/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>OK Steve #1 lets see what ya got. I have to leave my truck running while
>working. That has already been established as the best way to go as
opposed to
>starting the motor 60 or 70 times a day. I have an extra set of keys on me
and
>the one in the ignition is ony the truck key, not the house keys ect. to
>reduce loss if the Truck were to be stolen. Now I was thinking that the only
>way to prevent theft in this case would be some kind of transmission lock.
>Meaning a device that only I would be able to operate. That "fake" fuse thing
>would be great except it's running. Anyone know how to disable or "lock" the
>trans?
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:44:26 -0800
From: "Gil Patricio"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-2000 SD brake problem

- ----- Original Message -----
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:43:36 -0800
> From: Dave Santo
> Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem
>
> Picked up my 2000 SD/SC, etc, etc, etc, on Wednesday, last week. I
> love it! However, I have a problem, that when presented to the
> dealer, I was told that "The truck only has 8 miles on it. The brakes
> haven't even gotten hot yet. Give'm a chance to seat for a week or so
> and THEN bring it back if it still does it."
>
> What it does, it does in either forward or reverse, fast or slow,
> hard stop or a very light(footed) stop. Get rolling... then, when I
> step on the brake pedal, the brakes apply just like they should. I
> begin to slow down and JUST BEFORE I COME TO A COMPLETE STOP it feels
> like the brakes are being (an extremely quick action here) released
> and applied again, almost instantaneously. I DO come to a stop. I can
> release the pedal, roll a couple of feet and lightly step back on the
> pedal and it will do it again. I can SEE the hood shudder when this
> happens. Nathan??? Anyone else??? Sounds like faulty antilock
> somethingorother to me. That excuse that I got from the dealer
> sounded like BS. And, he said that all 4 wheels have the same thing
> going on.
>
> Oh, and BTW, I swapped out the standard 235/85's for BFG 295/75's All
> Terrain T/A's! Nice tire! Smooth. Quiet.
>
>
> Dave Santo
> dhsanto home.com

I'm no expert, but it does sound like your ABS system is acting up. You
could try two different things to maybe verify this. First, I don't think
the ABS actually enables immediately upon take off. I think it waits till
you exceed a given speed. So try accelerating from a stop to about 10 miles
and hour then try and stop. Or better yet simply pull the ABS fuse. The
ABS light will illuminate upon engine start, but will disable, the ABS.
Then see if the symptoms are still there.

G Patricio


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:32:03 EST
From: SUGGSRD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

I have a real problem with people using brighter than legal lights on road
vehicles. That includes replacement bulbs and extra driving lights. Maybe
some people are so desensitized they don't see the deference but for most of
the public that is a real problem. A friend of mine is a State Patrol
sergeant and he said that blinding lights are a major contributor to winter
driving accidents. The real shame is that the person with the blinding
bright lights is rarely caught or even sees the accident. I think using
offroad lighting shows a marked lack of responsibility. If you drive rural
roads and want the extra lighting when you are alone on the road get extra
lights that only come on when you use the high beams.

If you don't turn off the blinding bright lights when meeting oncoming
traffic I would think it very fair for the oncoming driver to hang out the
window and shoot your lights out with a shotgun!! (only somewhat jokingly)


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:12:16 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

What about the people that THINK you have your brights on, when you really
DON'T?? I often have people flash their brights at me because they think I
have my brights on, when in reality, I just have stock bulbs that properly
adjusted for aim, on low beam. Before you give license to shoot, you need a
fail-safe way for the shooter to determine if the offense is real or not!
(only somewhat serious)


Keith


> If you don't turn off the blinding bright lights when meeting oncoming
> traffic I would think it very fair for the oncoming driver to hang out the
> window and shoot your lights out with a shotgun!! (only somewhat jokingly)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:28:54 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up -

When I get "flashed" and I don't have my hi-beam's on, I simply "flash"
back. That tells them in no uncertain terms that I am running my low-beams.
It works every time.

--Steve


- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren [mailto:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:12 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -


What about the people that THINK you have your brights on, when you really
DON'T?? I often have people flash their brights at me because they think I
have my brights on, when in reality, I just have stock bulbs that properly
adjusted for aim, on low beam. Before you give license to shoot, you need a
fail-safe way for the shooter to determine if the offense is real or not!
(only somewhat serious)


Keith


> If you don't turn off the blinding bright lights when meeting oncoming
> traffic I would think it very fair for the oncoming driver to hang out the
> window and shoot your lights out with a shotgun!! (only somewhat jokingly)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:23:08 EST
From: KJenkinsAF aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem

In a message dated 01-Nov-99 3:49:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dhsanto home.com writes:

>It to sound like a bad ABS unit. And in answer to your question: does
anyone know another word for Thesaurus? Maybe these'll help.

Lexicon
Wordbook
Treasury
Encyclopedia
Dictionary
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:09:19 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem

If it happens on all the 2000 SD's tell the dealer that you would like to
drive a few just to confirm it! No way should you ever get this happening
except when a wheel locks monemtarily during a skid that starts when
transitioning onto a very slick surface. Under that circumstance the ABS
may no be quick enough to decrease caliper pressure without momentary over
compensation.

Can you tell me what the width of the rims is on your 2000 SD? Im curious
to see if my 99 with 7 inch rims would work with 295/75's also or if the
2000 SD's got wider rims that will work with these. Thanks!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Santo
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 3:43 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 SD brake problem


>Picked up my 2000 SD/SC, etc, etc, etc, on Wednesday, last week. I
>love it! However, I have a problem, that when presented to the
>dealer, I was told that "The truck only has 8 miles on it. The brakes
>haven't even gotten hot yet. Give'm a chance to seat for a week or so
>and THEN bring it back if it still does it."
>
>What it does, it does in either forward or reverse, fast or slow,
>hard stop or a very light(footed) stop. Get rolling... then, when I
>step on the brake pedal, the brakes apply just like they should. I
>begin to slow down and JUST BEFORE I COME TO A COMPLETE STOP it feels
>like the brakes are being (an extremely quick action here) released
>and applied again, almost instantaneously. I DO come to a stop. I can
>release the pedal, roll a couple of feet and lightly step back on the
>pedal and it will do it again. I can SEE the hood shudder when this
>happens. Nathan??? Anyone else??? Sounds like faulty antilock
>somethingorother to me. That excuse that I got from the dealer
>sounded like BS. And, he said that all 4 wheels have the same thing
>going on.
>
>Oh, and BTW, I swapped out the standard 235/85's for BFG 295/75's All
>Terrain T/A's! Nice tire! Smooth. Quiet.
>
>
>Dave Santo
>dhsanto home.com
>
>
> \\|///
> \ ~ ~ //
> ( )
> -oOOo-(_)-oOOo-
>
>By the way, does anyone know another word for Thesaurus?
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:49:57 -0500
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

Hi All,

With this in mind, I wonder why Ford designed my 98 F-150 so that the
'fog' lights can only be used with low beam. It would make more sense to me
if they worked in conjunction with high beams only, that way when an
oncoming vehicle approaches, I could switch to low beam and have the extra
'fog' lights go out at the same time. I know you are usually better off
using low beams in the fog, but I find myself using my 'fog' lights when
it's not foggy out just for the added illumination they give. Any ideas??
Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -
. If you drive rural
> roads and want the extra lighting when you are alone on the road get extra
> lights that only come on when you use the high beams.


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:49:54 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: FTE 97up - Consumer Reports truck report

Just received my November 1999 issue of Consumer Reports magazine. In this
issue, they rate the Toyota Tundra, Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado 1500, and
the Dodge Ram 1500. All trucks tested had the largest engines available,
4x4, supercabs, and trailer tow packages.

CR ranked the trucks in the following order:

1. Toyota Tundra "Overall, the best pickup for most people"
2. Chevy Silverado "Tested well, but reliability is poor"
3. Ford F-150 "A worthy choice"
4. Dodge Ram "Macho look, old tech"

The Toyota and Ford were the only two that are CR "Recommended" - they
performed competently in their tests, and they predict its reliability will
be at least average. The Chevy and Dodge are not "recommended".

Here are Consumer Reports' Recommendations:

Mere brawn isn't enough for a high score in our Ratings. Since two-thirds of
truck buyers use them for ordinary transportation as well as for hauling
loads, we also look for decent handling, comfort, convenience, and fuel
economy.

While all these trucks are higher and harder-riding than their
two-wheel-drive counterparts, the Tundra does the most things well. It's a
bit smaller than the others but more competent where it counts. It has a
slick powertrain, a comfortable ride, and a very quiet cabin. Handling and
braking are sound. On the downside, the rear seat is very cramped, and
antilock brakes may not be readily available. Reliability should be very
good.

The Chevrolet Silverado's good points include a strong powertrain and
generous load capacity. It's the first pickup to offer selectable full-time
four-wheel drive. And it's the only truck here with standard antilock brakes
and a decent rear seat. However, the ride is stiff and bouncy, particularly
with the off-road suspension. And first-year reliability has been below
average. These judgments apply equally to the GMC Sierra.

The four-wheel-drive Ford F-150 is a lot rougher around the edges than the
two-wheel-drive version we tested a few years ago. Good points remain a
strong engine, fairly nimble handling, and fairly comfortable ride. But
braking is marginal, getting in and out is difficult, and the rear seat is
cramped. The cabin is relatively noisy. Reliability of the four-wheel-drive
version has been average; for the two-wheel-drive version, better than
average.

The Dodge Ram has been eclipsed by the competition. Getting in and out is a
chore, the ride is stiff, handling is ponderous, the 5.2-liter V8 is slow
and thirsty, the cabin is fairly noisy, and the brakes don't perform well.
Reliability has been subpar.

0-60 MPH towing 7,000-pound trailer
- -----------------------------------
Toyota 4.7-liter V8: 25 seconds.
Chevy 5.3-liter V8: 25 seconds.
Ford 5.4-liter V8: 27 seconds.
Dodge 5.2-liter V8: 33 seconds.

Fuel Economy for the above trucks and engines:
(mixed driving, regular unleaded)
- ----------------------------------------------
Tundra: 15 MPG
Silverado: 15 MPG
Ford: 15 MPG
Dodge: 12 MPG
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:59:57 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

"Ron,Marge,Ted" wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> With this in mind, I wonder why Ford designed my 98 F-150 so that the
> 'fog' lights can only be used with low beam. It would make more sense to me
> if they worked in conjunction with high beams only, that way when an
> oncoming vehicle approaches, I could switch to low beam and have the extra
> 'fog' lights go out at the same time. I know you are usually better off
> using low beams in the fog, but I find myself using my 'fog' lights when
> it's not foggy out just for the added illumination they give. Any ideas??
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up -
> . If you drive rural
> > roads and want the extra lighting when you are alone on the road get extra
> > lights that only come on when you use the high beams.
>
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Ron,

I don't even understand why Ford calls them Fog lights at
all. Fog lights are to be used to shine under the fog. I
have to use them with the with low beams on I find the low
beams are too high thus rendering the fog lights useless. I
wish they would come on independently of the headlights.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:03:33 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up -

Ron,

You answered your own question, fog lamps are designed to provide a low,
wide beam that illuminates under the fog. Fog rarely goes all the way to the
ground which is why the ideal height for mounting fog lamps is between 6 and
14 inches from the ground.

The reason they go out when you hit the high beams is because the high beams
illuminate farther than the fogs and if you are able to use your high beams
then you certainly don't need the fog lamps on.

Bill Suarez

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ron,Marge,Ted
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:50 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -


Hi All,

With this in mind, I wonder why Ford designed my 98 F-150 so that the
'fog' lights can only be used with low beam. It would make more sense to me
if they worked in conjunction with high beams only, that way when an
oncoming vehicle approaches, I could switch to low beam and have the extra
'fog' lights go out at the same time. I know you are usually better off
using low beams in the fog, but I find myself using my 'fog' lights when
it's not foggy out just for the added illumination they give. Any ideas??
Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -
. If you drive rural
> roads and want the extra lighting when you are alone on the road get extra
> lights that only come on when you use the high beams.


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:29:58 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:36:30 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

Actually guys there is a more pervasive reason. It's called 50 state legal
and yes, iit isn't just restricted to emissions. I know in VA at least that
fog lights have to be tied to the low beams only to pass the safety
inspection.

There has been a lot of this. I remember in the 50's when NJ insisted that
you had to have sealed beams to pass inspection. That meant all of the old
stuff with bulbs had to be converted and imports (like Jaguar sedans)that
used the Lucas Bulb system had be converted as well. Even though the Lucas
system was far superior (about the olny thing the prince of darkness made
that was)

John G
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:27:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fog lamp switch

Speaking of fog lamps, is it possible to add aftermarkets, and use the same....


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