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In this issue:

FTE 97up - RE: Auto Lamp
FTE 97up - Bought Bedliner
FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question
FTE 97up - Mudflaps
RE: FTE 97up - Bought Bedliner
RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question
FTE 97up - Price a truck online.
FTE 97up - Buy vs Lease
Re: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question
FTE 97up - Re: Antitheft solutions
Re: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions
FTE 97up -
FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions revisited
RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question
RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question
RE: FTE 97up -
Re: FTE 97up - Mudflaps
FTE 97up - good Ford truck and PSD web site
Re: FTE 97up -

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Auto Lamp

Tony,

I am in the same boat as you. The sensor is so finicky, that if I pass
under shade from a tree or even when the sun is slightly above the
horizon (during rise or set), then I have "daytime running lights. I
have not found a way to adjust the sensitivity. I often leave mine
switched off and use them just for the delay when coming home in the
dark. Besides, I run my fog lamps whenever my lights are on, and the
auto lamp feature doesn't control them.

Darin

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:21:18 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bought Bedliner

Thanks again to everyone who suggested solutions to my bedliner question.
I ended up buying a Penda SP Pro bedliner. It will be in on Tuesday and hope
to have it installed then. According to the owner of the store where I bought
it, It is the thickest one available. Also, according to some of you guys,
you think it is the best and has protected your trucks well. A solution to
the bedwear problem, by the owner of the store, was to put a bedmat under the
liner. That's a $40 item. I'm not getting that yet. Just spent $700 for nerf
bars and a bedliner! Besides, I probably won't use the bed very much! Might
get it next spring.

Russ Martin

2000 Lariat 5.4L 4X4 Off Road Chestnut Brown Gold Trim
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:28:01 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question

Just bought a new 2000 Lariat 4X4 Off Road with aluminum wheels. I want to
get and keep the wheels clean without damaging the protective finish or
accent paint. What is the best aluminum wheel cleaner in your opinion? I'm
asking you guys, because you care about your trucks and have the experience!
I can probably get almost anything from the truck store near me.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:34:19 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Mudflaps

Probably a dumb question according to list standards, but hey, what's a list
for?
Anyway, I recently bought a new Chestnut Brown Lariat 4X4 Off Road with 17 in
wheels. I'd like to get mudflaps to protect the paint, but don't want to pay
a fortune for them. Anybody know who makes some good quality, durable flaps
that look nice and don't cost like $100 a pair? Also, can you buy them online?

Russ Martin

P.S. This truck's my baby!
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:36:10 -0400
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bought Bedliner

The Pendaliner also carries a lifetime warranty. If the plastic ever "hazes"
over, simply return it for a new one. Mine hazed over and here is the
response I received from Penda:

"Dear Steve: Occasionally air/soil materials adhere to the SR material in
the liner and there is nothing on the market to fix it. The retailer is
authorized to replace it for you. They can call me for verification. All
SR's don't haze over. We periodically test other raw materials to effect the
best results and feel we have the problem almost eradicated. Thank you for
your concern and write if I can be of additional help. Have a nice weekend.
Jan"

Now, if that ain't customer service, then I don't know what is!!

Enjoy your new liner.

--Steve


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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:21 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bought Bedliner


Thanks again to everyone who suggested solutions to my bedliner
question.
I ended up buying a Penda SP Pro bedliner. It will be in on Tuesday and hope

to have it installed then. According to the owner of the store where I
bought
it, It is the thickest one available. Also, according to some of you guys,
you think it is the best and has protected your trucks well. A solution to
the bedwear problem, by the owner of the store, was to put a bedmat under
the
liner. That's a $40 item. I'm not getting that yet. Just spent $700 for nerf

bars and a bedliner! Besides, I probably won't use the bed very much! Might
get it next spring.

Russ Martin

2000 Lariat 5.4L 4X4 Off Road Chestnut Brown Gold Trim
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:37:47 -0400
From: "Zinski, Steve"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question

I've had excellent results with "Mother's Chrome and Aluminum Wheel Polish".

--Steve

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From: MFAPHOTO aol.com [mailto:MFAPHOTO aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:28 AM
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Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question


Just bought a new 2000 Lariat 4X4 Off Road with aluminum wheels. I want to
get and keep the wheels clean without damaging the protective finish or
accent paint. What is the best aluminum wheel cleaner in your opinion? I'm
asking you guys, because you care about your trucks and have the experience!

I can probably get almost anything from the truck store near me.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:41:45 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Price a truck online.

You want to know what the truck of your dreams will cost you? Go to
priceline.com
Just punch in the truck and the options that you want and it all comes up. I
was surprised to find that the base prices of the 150, 250, and 350 were
fairly close!
You can also compute the monthly payments. Be warned however that it does not
figure in the tax, which will add substantially to the payments. I had gone
through the whole thing and had a payment in mind when I went to my dealer.
When he came out with a monthly payment, I wanted to know "what gives"? Found
out his price included the tax, whereas priceline's didn't.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:50:39 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Buy vs Lease

I'm getting a little post crazy here, but wanted to let some of you know that
Ford's leases are geting a little pricey! I fall into the best credit
category and I was told that the interest on a lease for me would be 11%. If
I was in the worst category, it would be 14%. Add to that the fact that they
are making you pay off 47% of the truck on a three year lease and you will
get a pretty high payment. As recently as a few months ago, the percentage
that you had to pay off was lower. Since the finance rate on a buy is
currently 4.9% and you can stretch payments out to 60 months, payments on a
buy are not that much higher. Mine only came out $85. more, so I went with
the buy. Besides that, I will probably be able to sell it, if I chose, and
get a nice price. In the long run the buy will probably be cheaper. Besides,
I don't want to put extra options on a truck that I lease!
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:57:56 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question

I like the Eagle 1 A2Z wheel cleaner, It's supposed to be safe for all wheel
finishes and seems to work well.

Nathan

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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:28 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question


> Just bought a new 2000 Lariat 4X4 Off Road with aluminum wheels. I want to
> get and keep the wheels clean without damaging the protective finish or
> accent paint. What is the best aluminum wheel cleaner in your opinion? I'm
> asking you guys, because you care about your trucks and have the
experience!
> I can probably get almost anything from the truck store near me.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:16:52 PDT
From: "Art Verling"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Antitheft solutions

If you like to leave your car running without you in it we also have another
unit that can be wired in that is used for K9 vehicles to leave the A/C on
for the dog. Most of the wiring can be done with fuse taps (not the cheap
ones that bend the connections in the fuse block). You push a button while
the vehicle is running and remove the keys lock the doors. The vehicle will
keep running until someone touches the brake to get out of park without the
keys in the ignition the vehicle will shut down. I think it was about $80.00
but it has been 6 months since I have installed one. As for the CommandLink
system I just ordered one to play with. I will tell you what I think next
week about it. We use equipment like this to control billboards switch on /
off the vacancy part of the sign. I think you could install it yourself. You
can order vehicle specific harness to connect them. Car dealers put them in
for about $300.00 dollars.
Art

art.verling excite.com




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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:52:03 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions

This would probably be easier to do than to describe. How about this. You
wire a selenoid to the ignition and or fuel pump circuit. This selenoid
should have a reset button and be well hidden under the dash with the reset
button hard to reach. Wire the primary side of the selenoid into a delay
timer (~15 seconds) with a push button reset. Hide the delay timer with
reset button in an easy to reach place in the dash (as a mis-labeled button
on the dash or maybe wire it in with the dimmer switch so you just need to
switch the cab light on and off once to re-set the timer). When any door of
the RUNNING truck is opened the delayed relay starts counting ~ 15 seconds.
If you actuate the reset button (say dimmer switch) within 15 seconds the
timer resets to zero and quits counting. If you fail to actuate the dimmer
switch within 15 seconds the selenoid opens and power to the ignition and
fuel pump is shut off. (If you want you could also wire an audible alarm to
the selenoid so that it sounds the horn or a siren). To re-set the truck
you would have to turn the ignition off, and access the hard to reach
selenoid under the dash which presumably thieves would be unable to find
since the truck would by that time be stalled in the street with the horn or
siren going.

Steve Hodson
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From: Andthensometoo
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 6:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions


OK Steve #1 lets see what ya got. I have to leave my truck running while
working. That has already been established as the best way to go as opposed
to
starting the motor 60 or 70 times a day. I have an extra set of keys on me
and
the one in the ignition is ony the truck key, not the house keys ect. to
reduce loss if the Truck were to be stolen. Now I was thinking that the only
way to prevent theft in this case would be some kind of transmission lock.
Meaning a device that only I would be able to operate. That "fake" fuse
thing
would be great except it's running. Anyone know how to disable or "lock" the
trans?

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:10:38 -0400
From: "Steve and Caryl Baron"
Subject: FTE 97up -

Well, I've never been a cell phone kind of guy, and haven't owned a CB in a
dozen years - when all they did, that last year, was broadcast a lot of
static.

Anyone want to recommend a CB?
- --
Steve

New York, NY baronny rcn.com
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:35:48 EDT
From: SchmidP aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions revisited

> Date: 29 Oct 99 21:19:25 EDT
> From: Andthensometoo
> Subject: FTE 97up - Antitheft solutions

> OK Steve #1 lets see what ya got. I have to leave my truck running while
> working. That has already been established as the best way to=20
> go as opposed to starting the motor 60 or 70 times a day. I have an extra
> set of keys on me and the one in the ignition is only the truck key,=20
> not the house keys ect. To reduce loss if the Truck were to be stolen.=20
> Now I was thinking that the only way to prevent theft in this case
> would be some kind of transmission lock Meaning a device that only I
> would be able to operate. That "fake" fuse thing would be great
> except it's running. Anyone know how to disable or "lock" the trans?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20

The way I see it:
1. If someone wants it bad enough they are going to get it regardless of
the security measures.
2. Armed Security Guards are expensive.
3. Reliability and simplicity are imperative.
4. Commercial Security systems are good but expensive, AND the thief
may know more about them than you do.
5. Consider MY needs for MY application and choose item 2 or 4 above. =20
6. OR create my own that meet my requirements and only I understand
completely and still meets item 3. =20
Not to mention being Stone Simple. AND I want to do it myself.

If you choose item 6, then consider a quality relay DP DT - NO, COM and NC.
Find the wire from the Ignition Switch to the Engine (this is the only wire=20
that
needs to be cut)
To the (COM) Common Terminal on the Relay, connect the wire from the=20
Ignition Switch.
From the (NC) Normal Closed Terminal on the Relay connect the Ignition
wire to the engine.=20
(At this point, everything will work as original.)

From the OUT side of the Brake Light Switch, add a wire to an ON/OFF
switch of your choice, mounted in a location of your choice.

From the ON/OFF Switch run a wire to the Coil Positive Terminal on the Relay=
.
NOTE: Install a Diode between the Positive and the Negative terminals o=
n
the Relay.
The Mark or Band on the Diode is on the Positive Terminal.

Wire the other Coil (Negative) Terminal to a solid ground on the truck.
(At this point, when the ON/OFF switch is OFF, everything works
as Original.)
When the ON/OFF switch is ON, anytime the Brake is depressed, the=20
Relay is Energized and engine quits.

Remember, this ON/OFF switch arms and disarms the relay so it must be
turned OFF Before the Brake pedal is depressed.

Now were cookin, but this isn=E2=80=99t good enough because the engine only=20
quits while the brake is applied and can be restarted.

If we now jump from the (NO) Normally Open Terminal on the Relay to the
Positive Coil Terminal on the Relay, we will Latch the Relay and the engine
will not restart.

To RESET the system, Turn Ignition Switch OFF and the ON/OFF Switch,=20
OFF, Presto, the system is Reset.=20

Granted, the thief can turn off the Ignition Switch, Reset the System,
restart the engine but the first time the Brake is used, the engine quits
dead again. Just how bad does he want the vehicle anyway.

This will work with both Standard Transmission and Automatic.

By the way, there are three terminals on the Relay that we did not use.
COM, NO, NC.
If you connect a hot wire to the unused COM Terminal, and NO
Terminal to the Horn =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.. =20
Not only does the engine quit but the horn or whatever devious
item you may choose activates.=20

Remember, even good locks only keeps honest people honest.

Just my thoughts
Paul S.
Orrville, OH
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:23:02 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question

Look into the "Mother's" line of finish protectors. That's what most
collectors use. If your wheels have the clear polyurethane finish, make
certain you use cleaners for coated aluminum wheels. Other cleaners can be
harsh, and some can even strip away the coating.

HTH,
Penn

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of MFAPHOTO aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:28 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question


Just bought a new 2000 Lariat 4X4 Off Road with aluminum wheels. I want to
get and keep the wheels clean without damaging the protective finish or
accent paint. What is the best aluminum wheel cleaner in your opinion? I'm
asking you guys, because you care about your trucks and have the experience!
I can probably get almost anything from the truck store near me.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:30:50 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question

I've also heard good things about Eagle 1 products. Thanks for reminding
me, Nathan.

Tip: Tune in to a few of the automotive shows on Sunday afternoons & late
evenings. Things like Shade Tree Mechanic, My Classic Car, Motor Trend TV,
etc., on TNN. They provide lots of helpful tips, and not necessarily for
sponsor's products.

HTH,
Penn

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Union Auto
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:58 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question


I like the Eagle 1 A2Z wheel cleaner, It's supposed to be safe for all wheel
finishes and seems to work well.

Nathan

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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:28 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Cleaner Question


> Just bought a new 2000 Lariat 4X4 Off Road with aluminum wheels. I want to
> get and keep the wheels clean without damaging the protective finish or
> accent paint. What is the best aluminum wheel cleaner in your opinion? I'm
> asking you guys, because you care about your trucks and have the
experience!
> I can probably get almost anything from the truck store near me.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:36:10 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up -

The static hasn't gotten much better. Perhaps look into a SSB unit so that
you have a little fun catching some "skip" in the evenings. Then maybe a
linear amplifier? Twin loaded fiberglass whips?

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Steve and Caryl
Baron
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 5:11 PM
To: 97up-list fordtrucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up -


Well, I've never been a cell phone kind of guy, and haven't owned a CB in a
dozen years - when all they did, that last year, was broadcast a lot of
static.

Anyone want to recommend a CB?
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New York, NY baronny rcn.com
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:40:31 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mudflaps

MFAPHOTO aol.com wrote:
>
> Probably a dumb question according to list standards, but hey, what's a list
> for?
> Anyway, I recently bought a new Chestnut Brown Lariat 4X4 Off Road with 17 in
> wheels. I'd like to get mudflaps to protect the paint, but don't want to pay
> a fortune for them. Anybody know who makes some good quality, durable flaps
> that look nice and don't cost like $100 a pair? Also, can you buy them online?
>
> Russ Martin
>
> P.S. This truck's my baby!
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Russ,

If you plan on going off road do not get mud flaps. They
will get caught and break. IMHO Ford makes the best. They
are made by Ford and fit like a glove. I bought a set for
my 97 and removed them to go off road and never put them
back. They are in the basement some where. My 00 is a
flair side and they come standard. Go take a peek at one
and you will see how well they fit.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:51:04 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: FTE 97up - good Ford truck and PSD web site

This web site has some good Ford truck and PSD info on it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/home.html

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:10:02 -0500
From: "Matthew Powell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -

Well, I cant recommend what to get, just what not to get, do not get a radio
sha(ft)ck cb, they break easily, other than that, i spend my time on the ham
side
73
"It's funny how everything was roses when we held onto the guns"
Matthew Powell - K8KLP
matt ....

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