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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Truck's gone
RE: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Leaks
FTE 97up - Question for Nathan - 2000 Ford Oval Tube Running Boards
RE: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance
Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)
FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint
RE: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint
Re: FTE 97up - Truck is here! (NO, not the stolen one!)
Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)
Re: FTE 97up - dual mode transmission
Re: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint
FTE 97up - V-10 Tachometer installation
Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:19:11 -0400
From: Dean Baruffi
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck's gone

What I do to at least make it more time consuming for the "Bad Guy" to
start the truck is pull an important fuse out of the fuse box (fuel pump,
etc...) that won't get the car running.

Then replace the fuse with a exact duplicate but the duplicate is
deliberately blown. When he takes a look in the fuse box, he sees all
fuses present. The car turns over and the ignition and lights work. So,
he doesn't think it's electrical. By that time he is nervous because he
made some noise trying to start the truck. I don't think he will stick
around much longer trying to diagnose the problem.


- -Dean Baruffi




At 10:33 PM 10/27/99 +0700, you wrote:
>No good news to pass on...i.e. no truck..
>The "study was in the Seattle Times a week or so ago. Probably
>a result of the insurance industries ability to collude on rates, etc.
>(to keep 'em up) and evaluate which vehicles incurs the most
>frequent theft rates. '99 Ford trucks were 4,5, or 6 on the list, i
>don't remember exactly. In this case ALMOST no anti-theft device
>would have worked because they had my keys. But I liked the
>airbag lock trick..Maybe next time I'll put a kill switch under the
dash..professionals
>probably know all the tricks though!! Any
>other ideas? My wife is being pretty testy on this, says only a
>beatter for me from now on. Any thoughts as to what kind of $$
>i'll need to replace it? You're right, I'm not sure I'd want it back?
>
>More later, Brent , truckless in Seattle :=(
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:26:39 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance

Yes, but they usualy state that policy in large, bold print right up front.
With out a policy statement our friend has every recourse.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:43 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance

At 02:03 PM 10/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently purchased a Banks Power "Transcommand" transmission control
>module from Fairway Ford (Fairway Sport & Performance of Placentia, CA) at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.go2fairway.com/parts/spparts/spparts.html
>
>After installing the Transcommand and testing it on my truck, I decided
that
>I did not notice enough of a performance increase to justify its high cost
>($229). I promptly contacted Fairway to in order to process the return and
>received this very pleasant and politely written REFUSAL to refund my
money:
- -snip-

Actually, this policy is quit common because people
can fry electronics through misuse or improper
installation. Summit and many of the biggies, plus
every junkyard and many parts stores have this
policy.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:01:44 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Leaks

No oil leaks are not normal. It may just have left over oil driping, but it
shouldn't be. I've had several 5.4L need front cover gaskets (put in wrong
from the factory) and this has fixed all three of the leaks we've had.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gary F
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 8:38 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Leaks


>
> I have a 98 E250 with the 5.4L engine. At 12,000 miles it developed a
nasty
> oil leak. I took it to the dealer and he replaced the front timing cover
> gasket, both valve cover gaskets, the front crankshaft oil seal and 2
> ignition coils (what these have to do with the oil leak I don't know). In
> any event I just drove it home, parked it on a nice clean part of my
> driveway and sure enough it left another small puddle. This is the first
> vehicle I've owned that has developed an oil leak like this. I'm ready to
> take it back to the dealer again but I'm wondering how many other people
> have small oil leaks and just accept it as par for the course with these
> engines.
>
> Gary F
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:45:56 -0400
From: Michael
Subject: FTE 97up - Question for Nathan - 2000 Ford Oval Tube Running Boards

Nathan,

First, let me say I really appreciate your feedback to the Ford Truck
Digest Group. I have learned a lot about the Ford Truck fixes, problems,
and points reading your posts.

I see that Ford has replaced the standard Black Plastic or Fiberglass
running boards for 2000 with an Oval Tube type running board that really
looks good. According to the invoice, they are about $350.00 cost to the
dealer installed from the factory. (I'm fortunate to be an A Plan buyer so,
as you know, I see the actual invoice)

I just bought a 2000 F150 4X4 SuperCab Lariat and it had no steps
installed. My question to you is, how much do these new model Oval Tube
Steps now cost for a set ?

Thanks in Advance,
Michael Rymer Cape Coral, FL

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:51:45 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance

As I said in an earlier message, Fairway has made an exception to their
policy in my case. They have agreed to fully refund my purchase. They have
also agreed to put their policies on their web site which apparently was an
oversight on their part. Because of their willingness to accommodate my
special request, I believe that they are indeed trustworthy and that this
was simply a case of misunderstanding. Instead of saying "that's our policy"
and not bending, they actually admitted fault on their part and have
rectified the situation in a fair manner. That takes guts and shows that
they value their reputation and customer satisfaction. As long as you know
their terms up-front, I would not hesitate to recommend their services.

--Steve


- -----Original Message-----
From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:27 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance


Yes, but they usualy state that policy in large, bold print right up front.
With out a policy statement our friend has every recourse.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:43 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance

At 02:03 PM 10/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently purchased a Banks Power "Transcommand" transmission control
>module from Fairway Ford (Fairway Sport & Performance of Placentia, CA) at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.go2fairway.com/parts/spparts/spparts.html
>
>After installing the Transcommand and testing it on my truck, I decided
that
>I did not notice enough of a performance increase to justify its high cost
>($229). I promptly contacted Fairway to in order to process the return and
>received this very pleasant and politely written REFUSAL to refund my
money:
- -snip-

Actually, this policy is quit common because people
can fry electronics through misuse or improper
installation. Summit and many of the biggies, plus
every junkyard and many parts stores have this
policy.

Ken Payne

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)

>
> Brent, sorry for your loss.
>
> But, guys, this brings up a good question,( CommandLink aside) how do we
> protect our Trucks? Granted, if the crock has the keys, he has the truck.
> No matter what's protecting it. My 2000 SC 150 Lariat 4x4 is due in
> November 15. I've spoken to the dealer about the factory alarm/keyless
> entry system. But I'm not too confident in its ability to protect the truck
> from a would be thief. The custom shop that is owned by my dealer, Covert
> Ford, Austin TX, caries Viper Alarms and says they can extend the
> functionality of the factory alarm with Viper models. Any thoughts or
> comment about the factory alarm and aftermarket units?? Your info is
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>

I am not sure how it extends the functionality of the factory alarm. Plus,
are Viper alarms the ones that make multiple sounds, and seem to always
be going off almost all the time (false alarms)? (It seems I always
hear of one of those multi-sound alarms going off in any mall parking lot.)
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint

I've been reading the list for a while now and haven't
read anything like this, so my curiousity is getting
the best of me.

I have a white 99 F250 SD SC and have noticed that
some rubber seals (doesn't really look like rubber,
but can't find a better term) right inside the door by
the mirror is staining the white paint inside the door
yellow. This is happening on both sides. I'm curious
if this is happening on other trucks as well.

Thanks,
Keith P



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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:28:37 -0400
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint

I've seen that on my truck as well Keith.

Doesn't seem to want to come off with "conventional" cleaners either.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Privratsky [mailto:blazer503 yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:21 PM
To: 97up
Subject: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint


I've been reading the list for a while now and haven't
read anything like this, so my curiousity is getting
the best of me.

I have a white 99 F250 SD SC and have noticed that
some rubber seals (doesn't really look like rubber,
but can't find a better term) right inside the door by
the mirror is staining the white paint inside the door
yellow. This is happening on both sides. I'm curious
if this is happening on other trucks as well.

Thanks,
Keith P



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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:51:49 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck is here! (NO, not the stolen one!)

Thanks for the response. If you get a chance look inside your drivers door,
low on the post at the back of the door, and see if you find a sticker with
your rim size. Mine says 16x7. If 305/16's work well on your rims I'm
betting that the 2000 rims are 16x8's. Have a great time on the dunes!
Steve Hodson
- -----Original Message-----
From: David & Laura Manuel
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck is here! (NO, not the stolen one!)


>I'm using the stock XLT rims, 305/75/16 I believe is the tire. They
>look great and ride fine. No problems. I'm off to Glamis(a bunch of
>sand dunes in California) this weekend. The off-road tread will keep me
>out of trouble. The dealer I got the truck from equipped the truck for
>me. They offer these tires for $400(mounted, balanced and all) plus the
>stock tires in trade. I checked with Goodyear and they wanted almost
>$800.00 for the tires and install. I believe I got a deal. Let me know
>if you have any questions. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:57:14 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)

This discussion reminds me of a movie a few years back (RoboCop?). It was a
bad movie but one of the opening scenes was of a would be car thief being
electrocuted in the drivers seat buy a very serious anti-theft device. I'm
not in favor of this tactic but it does make me wonder what would happen to
auto theft rates if........
- -----Original Message-----
From: Douglas R. Floyd
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)


>>
>> Brent, sorry for your loss.
>>
>> But, guys, this brings up a good question,( CommandLink aside) how do we
>> protect our Trucks? Granted, if the crock has the keys, he has the
truck.
>> No matter what's protecting it. My 2000 SC 150 Lariat 4x4 is due in
>> November 15. I've spoken to the dealer about the factory alarm/keyless
>> entry system. But I'm not too confident in its ability to protect the
truck
>> from a would be thief. The custom shop that is owned by my dealer,
Covert
>> Ford, Austin TX, caries Viper Alarms and says they can extend the
>> functionality of the factory alarm with Viper models. Any thoughts or
>> comment about the factory alarm and aftermarket units?? Your info is
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
>I am not sure how it extends the functionality of the factory alarm. Plus,
>are Viper alarms the ones that make multiple sounds, and seem to always
>be going off almost all the time (false alarms)? (It seems I always
>hear of one of those multi-sound alarms going off in any mall parking lot.)
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:02:37 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - dual mode transmission

I have notice how well the transmission responds to a harder pedal or
heavier load and I agree Ford has done a good job with the 4R-100. Being
able to manually override to a more forceful shift pattern is a nice feature
though.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - dual mode transmission


>Just for the record Ford has had the Tow-Haul feature for many years. It
is
>automatic so it doesn't have a switch, but it can adjust shift patterns for
>hilly terrain, towing, or high altitude driving.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, inc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steve J. Hodson
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 7:09 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - BEWARE: Fairway Sport & Performance
>
>
>> I can't say I would buy anything from fairway ford but I have been very
>> happy with my Banks TransCommand. I did not want an extremely hard shift
>> from my 4R100, just to tighten and quicken up shifts a bit and that is
>what
>> I got from the unit. I agree that $200+ is a lot to spend for what Ford
>> should have designed into my 99 F350 anyway, a dual mode transmission
like
>> Chevy offers.
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:10:52 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rubber Seals Staining Paint

Yes sir, mine has turned yellow in those areas.
Keith Privratsky wrote:

> I have a white 99 F250 SD SC and have noticed that
> some rubber seals (doesn't really look like rubber,
> but can't find a better term) right inside the door by
> the mirror is staining the white paint inside the door
> yellow. This is happening on both sides. I'm curious
> if this is happening on other trucks as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Keith P
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:15:24 -0700
From: "Dan & Pam Voss"
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 Tachometer installation

I have a 1998 V-10 E4OD 4X4 E-SuperDuty chassis under my motorhome. It
came without a tachometer and no factory option for it. Where can a person
get one (6000 rpm or so) and where do you connect it? Will I have to get a
diesel tach and mount a sensor on the crank or alternator?

Dan
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:37:58 -0500
From: Steve #1
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Alarms (was Trucks Gone!)

"Douglas R. Floyd" wrote:

> >
> > Brent, sorry for your loss.
> >
> > But, guys, this brings up a good question,( CommandLink aside) how do we
> > protect our Trucks? Granted, if the crock has the keys, he has the truck.
> > No matter what's protecting it. My 2000 SC 150 Lariat 4x4 is due in
> > November 15. I've spoken to the dealer about the factory alarm/keyless
> > entry system. But I'm not too confident in its ability to protect the truck
> > from a would be thief. The custom shop that is owned by my dealer, Covert
> > Ford, Austin TX, caries Viper Alarms and says they can extend the
> > functionality of the factory alarm with Viper models. Any thoughts or
> > comment about the factory alarm and aftermarket units?? Your info is
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
>

There are a few things you can do to prevent your vehicle from being stolen,
even if the bad guy has the keys.
1) A hidden kill switch on the starter, ignition, or fuel pump. There are
also many ways to wire the switches .
If you want me to elaborate, just ask.
2) A break lock. Most bad guys wouldn't be smart enough to figure it out
even if they had the key for it, plus it will make towing the vehicle harder.
3) Get a Clifford alarm that has anti-carjacking. There are two ways that
these alarms work, the first one being better. After the vehicle is started, a
code must be entered. If the code isn't entered within 30 sec. that siren will
go off (this is even more effective if the siren is inside the vehicle). When
the vehicle slows down, the ignition will turnoff. I've had this system on a
bunch of my vehicles and it works nicely. Clifford also sells a stand alone unit
that dose the same thing called black-jacks.
The other way these systems work is that you can call an 800 # and the alarm
will go through the same shutdown sequence. This is nice because you don't need
to enter the code every time you drive the vehicle, but it won't stop your
vehicle unless you see it being taken.
There may be other companies that now make systems that work similar to the
Clifford's.

Since you are in Austin, stop by Custom Sounds and look at the Clifford
line. If you'd like an unbiased opinion on any of the products, just ask, I have
a lot of experience with Cliffords.


>I am not sure how it extends the functionality of the factory alarm. Plus,
>are Viper alarms the ones that make multiple sounds, and seem to always
>be going off almost all the time (false alarms)? (It seems I always
>hear of one of those multi-sound alarms going off in any mall parking lot.)

Viper alarms do come with the 6 tone siren, but so do many other brands. The....


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