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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Thanks for bedliner info
RE: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price
FTE 97up - Engine Overhauls
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package
Re: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price
FTE 97up - RE: Truck rally in Southern California
FTE 97up - PSD Question
FTE 97up - Rear seal
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question
Re: FTE 97up - Rear seal
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question
Re: FTE 97up - Rear seal
FTE 97up - Bedliner Responses
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question
FTE 97up -
FTE 97up - Trucks Gone!

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:58:04 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Thanks for bedliner info

Another thing to consider:

If you own a Pendaliner or Ford liner (the drop-in type) and if the black
plastic develops a white haze, you can have your liner replaced for free
(mine did and they replaced it). I think it'd be difficult to "replace" a
spray-in liner.

Also, as someone else pointed out, the corrugated plastic floor of a drop-in
liner does indeed absorb a lot of shock from impacts without denting the
underlying sheet metal. I've dropped some pretty heavy things in my bed and
the plastic absorbs the impact (and springs back to shape).

I do have to admit that the spray-in liners look nicer. I guess it all
depends on personal taste. I am happy with my Pendaliner. If I had to do it
all over again, I'd go with the Pendaliner again.

--Steve

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:02:58 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price

My truck with options had a retail (sticker) price of $30,000 (1998 F-150
XLT Supercab 4x4 5.4L). I was able to negotiate a price of $26,000 with the
dealer. I recently took my truck to two dealers (CarMax and McGeorge Toyota)
and had the truck appraised... I was considering trading up to a new 2000
Toyota Tundra. My truck was appraised at $21,000 (by both dealers). I was
furious! They did not take in to consideration that I had the captain's
chairs, 6-disc cd changer, trailer tow package, nor any of the other options
on the truck. They both said that they could only go by what a "typical"
truck would have and that's all. Period. They did say that if I sold the
truck myself and I could probably expect to get about $25,000 for it... but,
I didn't want to go through the hassle and ultimately decided that my F-150
was the better truck. The Toyota salesman even questioned me as to why I
would even consider dumping my F-150 for the Tundra (I think he really liked
my truck!). In case you are also wondering why, this was at the time that
"the crack" was making headlines and I was beginning to have serious doubts
about Ford's quality and workmanship.

--Steve


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From: Wolvrin704 aol.com [mailto:Wolvrin704 aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:53 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price


I have a 97 and was curious about blue book price, about 17,000. I checked
the wheeler dealer books, most people with a similar truck to mine are
asking
18-20,000. And dealers are asking up to 24,000! I bought mine used ayear ago

and paid 21,000 for it. For the curious I have a 97 XLT, supercab, 4x4, Off
Road Package with 4.6, all power, premium sound, totally loaded- all options

for the 97 model. Just my .02

Jeff C
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:13:29 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine Overhauls


I'm just curious how many people have driven trucks over 200,000 miles
without major overhauls?

Also, how many people have ever had to overhaul an engine in their
lifetimes?

I had a truck for 15 years once, (Chevy) 6 cyl engine. Although I
bought this tired truck from a plumber (don't do this), and I put an
additional 70K miles on it, I never had to overhaul the engine. (just
everything else)

The new truck of course only has 13K miles and hopefully won't need an
overhaul for another 15 years.

- Stephen Witte 97 CC F350 4x4 5spd


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:40:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package

It all depends on what you want. I think my sound system in my 89 Ranger
sounds a lot better than the premium one in my parents Expedition. I have
an Alpine head unit witha 6 disc shutle deck, PPI 100 watt amp pushing a
15" subwoofer, and a punch 40 watt amp pushing 40 watts(roughly) into my 4
pioneer three way speakers. Of course, most people don't want that, so
the premium sound system is fine, but there are people out there who do
like having higher quality sound. Its all a matter of opinion.


On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 MFAPHOTO aol.com wrote:

> I just got a new Lariat and have the premium package with 6 disc CD changer.
> The question that occurred to me was why you would want to upgrade it? It
> sounds damn good to me! Also, with the space of the cab not being a large
> space, you really don't need to add anything. Road and engine noise are
> going to degrade the sound from anyway. Trying to squeeze the last 5% out of
> an automotive system may not be worth it. Of course, if you want to add more
> features such as CB or TV, I understand!
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:55:48 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price

And there you have the reason for NEVER trading one in. The dealers love
trade ins, they want the extra profit from a new sale. I have had to do this
with three or four vehicles. Yes, it's a bit of a pain but when you figure
how many hours you had to work for that 2 or 3k (after taxes thank you) and
suddenly it's not that big a problem to run an ad in the paper and wait for
the phone to ring. If you figure half way between wholesale and retail as
your bottom line, you will be surprised how quick it will go.

John G



Next, I remember Nathans comment some months ago. It's better to buy a
Lariet than a loaded XLT. The moneys the same but when it comes to trade in,
you get credit for the extras, you don't on the XLT. That isn't just
salesmans talk. Of course, try to buy a loaded XLT at the average price from
a dealer.

Finally, look at the bluebook trade in value for the truck. how far off was
he really?
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:07:47 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Truck rally in Southern California

I'd be interested.
I know of 110 acres here near Escondido (north of San Diego) where we
could probably pay the owner a couple of bucks and have such a rally.

- Stephen Witte
Poway, Calif.
F350 4x4 CC 460 '97 5spd awesome truck even if it is a guzzler...

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:13:47 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Question

Some guy was telling me yesterday that
you can buy a 100K kit for the PSD.
Apparently the PSD needs rebuilding at
100K miles?? And this "kit" will have
Ford rebuild it at that time.

I don't have a PSD, but this sounded kind of
strange...I thought the PSD would last 300K +.
Or is it because the PSD is so tweaked to get
as much power from it that it dies early?
Vaughn
99 F250 SD XLT SC SB 4X4 5.4
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:50:27 -0700
From: "mlester"
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear seal

My 1999 F250 PSD has developed a leak at the rear of the engine at 14,000
miles. I think it is the rear seal.

Called the dealer and they can't look at it for a week. The dealers service
departments have us all by the gonads now, what with phone menus where you
leave a message and they will call you back when they get time and all the
other attitudes they have aquired in the last few years.

Anyone else blown a seal in such a short time?

Martial

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:51:24 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question

I dont' know what the person was talking about, I just sold a used 97
with 165K miles and it ran like new. The warranty lasts to 100K so maybe
thats what he was talking about.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To:
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 5:13 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Question


>
>
> Some guy was telling me yesterday that
> you can buy a 100K kit for the PSD.
> Apparently the PSD needs rebuilding at
> 100K miles?? And this "kit" will have
> Ford rebuild it at that time.
>
> I don't have a PSD, but this sounded kind of
> strange...I thought the PSD would last 300K +.
> Or is it because the PSD is so tweaked to get
> as much power from it that it dies early?
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD XLT SC SB 4X4 5.4
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:57:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Foye
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear seal

Martial,

Is it a real seal or is it leaking just above the oil
filter. If so, it's an oil galley plug. I had an oil
leak that I thought was the valve cover or something
and the dealer found it to be the oil galley plug.
Under warrantee of course but, also at 29,000 miles on
a 97 PSD. Apparently, as per the dealer it always
happens to be the left rear one of the ones that they
have had oil leaks with.

Hope this helps,

Chris



- --- mlester wrote:
> My 1999 F250 PSD has developed a leak at the rear of
> the engine at 14,000
> miles. I think it is the rear seal.
>
> Called the dealer and they can't look at it for a
> week. The dealers service
> departments have us all by the gonads now, what with
> phone menus where you
> leave a message and they will call you back when
> they get time and all the
> other attitudes they have aquired in the last few
> years.
>
> Anyone else blown a seal in such a short time?
>
> Martial
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:37:15 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question


I dont' know what the person was talking about, I just sold
a used 97
with 165K miles and it ran like new. The warranty lasts to 100K
so maybe thats what he was talking about.

Nathan


Hi Nathan,

Thats what I said, "you mean the 100K warranty"
He said no its a prepay to have the engine rebuilt
at 100K cause its about shot by then.
What blew my mind was my father, who heard it,
basicly agreed! He (my father) has a 97 F250 PSD.
So I don't know whats going on.

Vaughn



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To:
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 5:13 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Question


>
>
> Some guy was telling me yesterday that
> you can buy a 100K kit for the PSD.
> Apparently the PSD needs rebuilding at
> 100K miles?? And this "kit" will have
> Ford rebuild it at that time.
>
> I don't have a PSD, but this sounded kind of
> strange...I thought the PSD would last 300K +.
> Or is it because the PSD is so tweaked to get
> as much power from it that it dies early?
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD XLT SC SB 4X4 5.4
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:56:15 -0400
From: Alan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear seal

Martial
Look in your intake, under the pump cover. Mine did the same thing, it was the
turbo leaking, had almost an inch of oil in the manifold which was leaking down
the back of the engine. Looked like rear main though. There is a TSB out on the
problem..Dealer fixed it cleaned everything and it looked like new. Mine did it
at about 13k.

Alan

mlester wrote:

> My 1999 F250 PSD has developed a leak at the rear of the engine at 14,000
> miles. I think it is the rear seal.
>
> Called the dealer and they can't look at it for a week. The dealers service
> departments have us all by the gonads now, what with phone menus where you
> leave a message and they will call you back when they get time and all the
> other attitudes they have aquired in the last few years.
>
> Anyone else blown a seal in such a short time?
>
> Martial
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:29:51 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliner Responses

Thanks again for all the replies. Though you all make good points, I'm going
with the drop in. Cheaper, easier, less messy, less time consuming, and maybe
will protect the bed better! If I had more money, I'd get both! Now I have to
decide which brand is actually the best.

Russ Martin
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:14:41 -0400
From: "Freddy Favela"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package

Hey were did you place the 15 inch speaker? do you have PIC??
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From: Sandman
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package


>It all depends on what you want. I think my sound system in my 89 Ranger
>sounds a lot better than the premium one in my parents Expedition. I have
>an Alpine head unit witha 6 disc shutle deck, PPI 100 watt amp pushing a
>15" subwoofer, and a punch 40 watt amp pushing 40 watts(roughly) into my 4
>pioneer three way speakers. Of course, most people don't want that, so
>the premium sound system is fine, but there are people out there who do
>like having higher quality sound. Its all a matter of opinion.
>
>
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 MFAPHOTO aol.com wrote:
>
>> I just got a new Lariat and have the premium package with 6 disc CD
changer.
>> The question that occurred to me was why you would want to upgrade it? It
>> sounds damn good to me! Also, with the space of the cab not being a large
>> space, you really don't need to add anything. Road and engine noise are
>> going to degrade the sound from anyway. Trying to squeeze the last 5% out
of
>> an automotive system may not be worth it. Of course, if you want to add
more
>> features such as CB or TV, I understand!
>>
>> Russ
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>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:42:34 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Question

Well, I see you guys are getting tired of being picked on
and misled by the Dodge guys. Next time they hit you
with all of that superiority nonsense, send them over to
this website:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.navistar.com/school_bus/236.html

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 10/25/99 6:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time, wolf enter.net
writes:

> I dont' know what the person was talking about, I just sold
> a used 97
> with 165K miles and it ran like new. The warranty lasts to 100K
> so maybe thats what he was talking about.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> Hi Nathan,
>
> Thats what I said, "you mean the 100K warranty"
> He said no its a prepay to have the engine rebuilt
> at 100K cause its about shot by then.
> What blew my mind was my father, who heard it,
> basicly agreed! He (my father) has a 97 F250 PSD.
> So I don't know whats going on.
>
> Vaughn
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:46:36 -0400
From: "Steve and Caryl Baron"
Subject: FTE 97up -

Three little questions, family in waiting:

While we await the delivery of our 2000 Van 350 4X4, I=B9ve been ordering
things I know we=B9ll want, like a tow strap, and floodlight. We are left wit=
h
a couple of little things with the same big question =AD should we put down
the bucks =AD and would appreciate hearing anyone=B9s specific experience.

1. Headlights: the catalog lists a number of different replacement lights,
brighter than standard. Most say "for off-road use only", but they mount in
place of regular lights. How much light (what lights) can I get away with
without a) blinding oncoming drivers, and b) without getting arrested. I
don=B9t see as well as I once did and wouldn=B9t mind spending fifty bucks or s=
o
to improve night visibility in a useful way. (I don't know the wattage of
the stock Ford 350 bulbs, of course.)

2. Will an extra heavy duty battery booster cable, 2- gauge, be any more
likely to do its job than an 8-gauge "heavy duty" cable?

3. Dura-Glo Plus, with Teflon and Silicone looks like a great product =ADbut
that is the ad copy. If anyone loves it or hates it, I=B9d appreciate hearing=
,
and also your comments on whether it should be applied to a brand-new van,
before the bugs start to spatter. Same questions about a product called
Polyglas.

4. Anyone have a tech repair manual they'd recommend for a 2000 Ford 350
van, 4 x 4, with a diesel. Chilton only seems to cover up to 89-96: will
this do the job; is there a better manual.

Thanks in advance.

Steve Baron
New York
Baronny rcn.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:00:18 +700
From: bwat wa.freei.net
Subject: FTE 97up - Trucks Gone!....

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