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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package
FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price
Re: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:59:30 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

Doug: I had a spray in bead liner put in my 99 F-350 and I really like it.
With a spray in you have no concerns about rust under the liner and most
installers have a life time free repair policy if you gouge it with
something like a piece of heavy sharp steel. It looks really nice installed
and you can get colors other than black to match your truck.
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From: Douglas R. Floyd
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice


>>
>> I have a new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4X4 Supercab with a short bed. I'm trying
to
>> decide which bedliner will be best for my truck. I'd like it to have the
>> ability to secure the cargo. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that the
Tuffliner
>> might be a good choice. Also, I'd like to buy a liner online and install
it
>> myself. Does anyone know of a source that sells them reasonably? I live
in
>> New York.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Russ
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>I have been happy with the Duraliner. It has bumps in the center to keep
>cargo from slipping around, drains water well, and has notches for boards
>when you want to separate loads. It has survived quite well, getting no
>damage after tons of furniture moving.
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:03:06 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

My liner (LINEX) doesn't soften here in NC and we get lots of days over
100F.
- -----Original Message-----
From: William Suarez
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice


>Once the spray on liners cure they aren't affected by climatic changes. I
>know with the Rhino Lining the only compound that will affect it is brake
>fluid. It won't break it down but it will soften it. However, simply wiping
>up the liquid and letting it air dry will re-cure it to it's original
state.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Douglas R. Floyd
>Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 9:26 PM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
>
>
>>
>>
>> Personally I prefer the spray-in bed liners. The drop in liners rub on
>> the truck bed and polish the paint away, giving a spot for the rust to
>> start.
>> The spray-in don't have that problem, several are warranted for life
>
>Do they get soft in hot climates (spray-ons, that is.)
>
>PS: I like your .sig.
>
>>
>> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
>> RV and Camping FAQ
>> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
>> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:06:47 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in. What
I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how much
of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application? I
want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time. By
the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now and
then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
Besides, the truck is much more fun!

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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:15:34 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package

I just got a new Lariat and have the premium package with 6 disc CD changer.
The question that occurred to me was why you would want to upgrade it? It
sounds damn good to me! Also, with the space of the cab not being a large
space, you really don't need to add anything. Road and engine noise are
going to degrade the sound from anyway. Trying to squeeze the last 5% out of
an automotive system may not be worth it. Of course, if you want to add more
features such as CB or TV, I understand!

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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:25:27 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price

I was at the store the other day and looked through a book of prices for used
trucks. I wanted to see about how much I could expect my new Lariat to
depreciate over three years. I looked at the 97's. According to their
listings, they have a trade in value of $13,000 to $14,000. The price if you
were to sell them yourself is about $1000 to $2000 more. So, if you assume
that these trucks had MSRP's in the $28,000 to $30,000 range, then they do
depreciate about 50%. True life experience may be different, however. If you
live in an area where there is high demand and you keep it in showroom
condition, maybe you can get considerably more. It also depends on what a
buyer will pay. You might be lucky enough to find some guy that just has to
have your truck and will pay your price. I was a little surprised at the
prices though! Still, I don't care too much. I'm keeping mine for a while!
Best thing I've had!

Regards,
Russ

P.S. Did you get the Lariat and did you get it for $28 and change? Seems like
a very good price!
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:53:07 EDT
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - To JMann Re: Truck Price

I have a 97 and was curious about blue book price, about 17,000. I checked
the wheeler dealer books, most people with a similar truck to mine are asking
18-20,000. And dealers are asking up to 24,000! I bought mine used ayear ago
and paid 21,000 for it. For the curious I have a 97 XLT, supercab, 4x4, Off
Road Package with 4.6, all power, premium sound, totally loaded- all options
for the 97 model. Just my .02

Jeff C
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:41:51 -0700
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

> Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in. What
>I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how much
>of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
>not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
>Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application? I
>want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time. By
>the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now and
>then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
>Besides, the truck is much more fun!

None of the major lines of Spray-on are owner done. There are some 'home'
done pour-on I have seen for sale (JC Whitney, etc), but I have doubts I
could do a good a job as the pro's with a spray-in. Spray-on do cost more
then the regular drop in liners

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:23:05 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

Russ,

The spray on liners are done by professional shops. When I had my 97 F150
sprayed with a Rhino Lining it was $400 in green to match the truck. That
was a short bed, long beds are about $75 more and if you want black it's
usually $50 less.

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of MFAPHOTO aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 8:07 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners


Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in.
What
I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how
much
of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application? I
want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time.
By
the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now
and
then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
Besides, the truck is much more fun!

Russ
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:13:50 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

All the spray-on liners mentioned are applied by professionals. I don't
think self application is an option on these brands. Check your yellow
pages for truck accessory shops.

Be prepared to pay upwards of $350 for a spray-on liner.

Drop-in can be had for about $100 and up.

Either one beats nothing, you know what I mean?

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Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 7:07 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners


Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in.
What
I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how
much
of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application? I
want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time.
By
the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now
and
then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
Besides, the truck is much more fun!

Russ
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:03:29 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package

If you think the premium sound in the Lariat sounds good you should hear an
Expedition! The have the Mach Audio System and its orders of magnitude
better.


- -----Original Message-----
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com [mailto:MFAPHOTO aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 7:16 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Upgrading Premium Sound Package

I just got a new Lariat and have the premium package with 6 disc CD changer.

The question that occurred to me was why you would want to upgrade it? It
sounds damn good to me! Also, with the space of the cab not being a large
space, you really don't need to add anything. Road and engine noise are
going to degrade the sound from anyway. Trying to squeeze the last 5% out of

an automotive system may not be worth it. Of course, if you want to add more

features such as CB or TV, I understand!

Russ
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:26:34 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

You can't do the spray in yourself. These are applied by pre-mixing a
pre-polymer (high density polyethylene I think) and an initiator just before
application and spraying on a coat to ~ 1/8 inch thickness. My new 99 F350
got the spray in bed before I even picked it up. No overspray problems at
all, they taped off everything and did the access panel for the gate
interior seperately so that it can be removed to repair things inside the
gate. You should go to a local shop or truck dealer and see some before you
decide. They are pricey compared to drop in liners but I think you'll get
your money back at re-sale.
- -----Original Message-----
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 5:07 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners


> Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in.
What
>I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how
much
>of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
>not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
>Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application?
I
>want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time.
By
>the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now
and
>then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
>Besides, the truck is much more fun!
>
>Russ
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?

I too am interested in buying some old equipment. I
have the AM/FM/TAPE in a 99 F250 and would like to get
a AM/FM/CD unit.

Thanks,
Keith P

- --- "Steve J. Hodson" wrote:
> Since a number of folks are upgrading their sound
> systems I would like to
> offer to buy some old equipment. I have a 99 F350
> with the high end CD/tape
> player that is ready to connect to the optional CD
> changer. The Dealers
> want a fortune for the CD changer and I haven't
> found and aftermarket unit
> that connects directly to the Ford "changer ready"
> stereo. If anyone is
> replacing their original system that included a CD
> changer and would like to
> sell the changer I'm interested.
> Thanks!
> Steve Hodson


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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:55:43 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners

In a message dated 10/23/99 12:22:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wsuarez netsilicon.com writes:

i love my spray in bed liner (rhino) I have had it about 8 months and it
works great, i cant think of any reason to buy a slide in one again.

RS


Date: 10/23/99 12:22:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: wsuarez netsilicon.com (William Suarez)
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Russ,

The spray on liners are done by professional shops. When I had my 97 F150
sprayed with a Rhino Lining it was $400 in green to match the truck. That
was a short bed, long beds are about $75 more and if you want black it's
usually $50 less.

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Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 8:07 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray On Bedliners


Thanks for the information about bedliners that some of you sent in.
What
I'd like to know now is how difficult are the spray ons to apply and how
much
of a mess do they create in the process? I have a brand new Lariat and I'm
not eager to mess it or me up in the process. Also, I don't own a sprayer.
Seen some that are brush on, but might they look messy after application? I
want to keep this truck real pretty. I may be keeping it a very long time.
By
the way, I'm not going to use the bed heavily. Just an occasional job now
and
then. Got the truck because we didn't need the space of an Expedition!
Besides, the truck is much more fun!

Russ
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:51:25 +0100
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

As I understand it, you should not need to recalibrate the speedometer with
285s. My '00 F350 4x4 came with 305/70R16 on stock Lariat wheels, and I
inquired about the need for recalibration. The dealer said no need for
concerns. Leastways that's what I was told.

- -Kirk Werner


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