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In this issue:

FTE 97up - anyone have bolt pattern for DRW e-450?
FTE 97up - '99 e-series v-10 oil dipstick problem
FTE 97up - '97 5.4L HP & Torque Specs wanted
FTE 97up - 285s look tough!
FTE 97up - RE: High end audio installation?
FTE 97up - 97 Transmission Quesiton
Re: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?
Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!
Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!
RE: FTE 97up - 97 Transmission Quesiton
Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!
FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
RE: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice
Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:47:30 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: FTE 97up - anyone have bolt pattern for DRW e-450?

hey all,

interested in getting some alcoa wheels for my rv. wanted to see if anyone
knew off the top of their head what the bolt pattern was on a DRW e-450. i
have the standard 16" (16.5?) steel wheels.



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:49:50 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 e-series v-10 oil dipstick problem

hey all,

anyone else have a problem with reinserting their oil dipstick? on my v-10
it's almost a necessity to get your hands dirty in order to get it all the
way in.

i notice that there are two pieces riveted on to make it reach, and on the
farthest end it starts to swirl down towards the crosshatch area.

is there a newer piece available, or what's everyone else's idea to this?
maybe it's a e-series only problem, since the f-series is easier to access
possibly.

any thoughts?
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:40:49 -0500
From: "peirek"
Subject: FTE 97up - '97 5.4L HP & Torque Specs wanted

Anyone have a graph of the '97 5.4L Triton HP & Torque or
know where I can find it?

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:56:41 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

well i will have to toot my horn the F250SD 4x4 really looks tough now after
the addition of 4 285/75/16s BFG mud terrains this morning i am goign on a
trip this afternoon so i will have a better reading then but they feel great
so far, not as noisy as i thought they would be, no more problems in the
woods for me! will get some pics this weekend and scan them when i get back.
Fit seems to be good and plenty of clearance.

BTW : how are you guys getting speedo recal, how much is it costing?

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris coleman
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: High end audio installation?

NIcholas, just to let you know, the sky is the limit
when it comes to something in the dash. I own a 97
Expedition and I have installed a Pioneer Double DIN
in the dash(it requires some cutting of the plastic
inside the dash, but nothing affecting the integrity
of the dash). This unit has every CD, tape, FM/AM,
surround sound, Karaoke(yes, it does!!!). So anything
that you want to put in there is possible.
As for speakers, replacing the factory 6x8s is a good
bet. An easy replacement is 5 1/4" speakers(they just
require a plate to mount the speaker to. 6 1/2"
speakers will fit, but, the installation is a little
more complecated. As for amps, I have one mounted
inside the center counsel(4x35W RMS-Sound Stream
MC140x) and a second amp mounted under the front(2x75X
RMS-Clarion APA 2150) for the subs. I also mounted
the tweeters up in the overhead(just pulled the
headliner back a little and removed the
fiberglass/foam support back there(easy install) and
left the fabric in place. In the way of subs for the
150, that can get confusing unless you are willing to
give up people space inside the cab. I was looking at
building a custom box for a friend in his 150 that
was going to be for the most part out of sight. This
was going to result in the rear seat being lifted up
about 3-4 inches to make enough volume for the box.
Just a thought. If you have any questions, just write
to me and I will assist in any way that I can. I do a
lot of install for my friends, so, I have a wide
background in this.

Chris "Thermo" Coleman
97 Expy, Separates up front, 6 1/2's in the rear, 2 10
inch subs in the rear(1 on each side) Pioneer FHM-75
in the dash, I just sit back and let the mirrors
shake.

Does any have any experience with a high end
audio install in the
F-150 La=
riat Extended Cab? I am looking into what I should
install and thought
I m=
ight ask if anyone has had any particular tidbits of
info. I'm looking
int=
o a multimedia type system with and LCD screen, GPS
navigation hookup,
CD -=
subs under the rear seat, etc. I will also install a
CB unit, car kit
for=
my Startac etc.

I've been following the thread on the CB
install, but haven't yet
really l=
earned where to install the unit. I have a split
bench and think I'll
have=
to get a tray installed on the transmission tunnel to
mount CB, phone
etc.

Any experience or better ideas of where to
mount or not mount?

Thanks,


Nicholas Theyer

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: dlsipe webtv.net (Darin Sipe)
Subject: FTE 97up - 97 Transmission Quesiton

My 97 has a transmission code in the door of "E." Does anyone know
which tranny this is and is it good, bad, otherwise? Any potential
problem areas to watch out for?

Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:43:56 -0700
From: "Steve J. Hodson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?

Since a number of folks are upgrading their sound systems I would like to
offer to buy some old equipment. I have a 99 F350 with the high end CD/tape
player that is ready to connect to the optional CD changer. The Dealers
want a fortune for the CD changer and I haven't found and aftermarket unit
that connects directly to the Ford "changer ready" stereo. If anyone is
replacing their original system that included a CD changer and would like to
sell the changer I'm interested.
Thanks!
Steve Hodson
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From: jmann living.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?


>For you truck stereo gods out there, that makes two of us. I am also very
>interested in adding stereo equipment to my 2000 150 Lariat SC. But in my
>case I would like to add speakers, and possibly an amp, to the existing
>premium head unit. I'm sort of stuck on the factory unit because I like
the
>speed controlled volume, and I've yet to see a after-market head unit
>implement this technology.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>Austin, TX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nicholas Theyer [mailto:ntheyer cpk.crownpackaging.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 10:31 PM
>To: Ford Truck List
>Subject: FTE 97up - High end audio installation?
>
>
> Does any have any experience with a high end audio install in the
>F-150 Lariat Extended Cab? I am looking into what I should install and
>thought I might ask if anyone has had any particular tidbits of info. I'm
>looking into a multimedia type system with and LCD screen, GPS navigation
>hookup, CD - subs under the rear seat, etc. I will also install a CB unit,
>car kit for my Startac etc.
>
> I've been following the thread on the CB install, but haven't yet
>really learned where to install the unit. I have a split bench and think
>I'll have to get a tray installed on the transmission tunnel to mount CB,
>phone etc.
>
> Any experience or better ideas of where to mount or not mount?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>Nicholas Theyer
>Production Planner
>Crown Packaging Kelowna
>Corrugated Division
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:07:28 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

Do you have a lift kit on it?

Vaughn



well i will have to toot my horn the F250SD 4x4 really looks
tough now after the addition of 4 285/75/16s BFG mud terrains
this morning i am goign on a trip this afternoon so i will have
a better reading then but they feel great so far, not as noisy
as i thought they would be, no more problems in the woods for
me! will get some pics this weekend and scan them when i get
back. Fit seems to be good and plenty of clearance.

BTW : how are you guys getting speedo recal, how much is it
costing?

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:20:31 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

No need. the 99 4x4 SD's can handle up to 295/75/16 w/out a lift.

RS -
My friend that has 295/75/16 All terrains on 16x8 weld wheels on
a 99.5 CC 4x4 short bed 4x4 PSD noted the speedo read accurate
when compared to a GPS, but the shift points were a bit slower.

The PSD more than made up for it, and he hasn't bothered to
get the speedo re-calibrated. (he also has an auto)

I think I have instructions off the ford-diesel web site on how to
re-calibrate, so you can make sure the techs do it correctly.


- -john

Here it is the contents of the post:

Questions keep arising concerning recalibration of Super Duty speedometers.
Procedure has been covered before a long time ago but I found it somewhat
confusing myself, and I
understand how to do it. So here it is in detail directly from Special Service
Message 11789 &11790, as mentioned in another post. Mine was performed before
delivery, as 295s were put on before delivery. It takes about 10 minutes. And
for those that feel being within 10% is fine, that may be with a standard trans,

but I wouldn't recommend it with an auto.

Here it is right off OASIS on 7/29/99:

Some Technicians have reported difficulty reprogramming the ABS Module on the
1999 Super
Duty Truck. The following is a quick outline:
1) Ensure all harness connections are connected to the ABS module.
2) Using the NGS and Version 3.2 or Higher of the service card plug into the
DCL connector.
3) Turn Key on with Engine off.
4) Select
5) Select or depending on vehicles ABS option.
6) Select .
7) Select . If tire size is not listed use Formula of: 63360 Divided

by the
Circumference of tire measure in inches. Add (2) zeros in front of the solution.

Enter this
number into the NGS as the Revs Per Mile Figure.
8) Select and verify 00120 is programmed in.
9) Select and press Trigger.
10) Select and press Trigger.
11) Press (Numeric 8 Button) and the Module will be programmed.
12) Recheck Speedometer accuracy.

Just in case a tech gives someone a hard time when you ask them to do this,
Circumference is 2Pi times the Radius
or 2Pi(r)

Pi=3.1416

Mine worked out to 00602 for 295(33.5 diameter) BFG's
Radius being 16.75" ideally, BFG also gives a static diameter based on the
sidewall squishing a little, but I used ideal.

63360/2Pi(16.75")=
63360/105.24335=
602, then add 2 zeros for 00602
------------------
2000 F250 CC,SB,4X4,White,Lariat, loaded,BFG 295/75/16s on 16x8 Weld Outback
rims, Glasstite Classic Cap and Stainless tube steps.


Vaughn (VDB) wrote:

> Do you have a lift kit on it?
>
> Vaughn
>
> well i will have to toot my horn the F250SD 4x4 really looks
> tough now after the addition of 4 285/75/16s BFG mud terrains
> this morning i am goign on a trip this afternoon so i will have
> a better reading then but they feel great so far, not as noisy
> as i thought they would be, no more problems in the woods for
> me! will get some pics this weekend and scan them when i get
> back. Fit seems to be good and plenty of clearance.
>
> BTW : how are you guys getting speedo recal, how much is it
> costing?
>
> RS
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:44:13 -0400
From: Steve Zinski
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 97 Transmission Quesiton

"E" on my 1998 is the E40D tranny.

--Steve


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Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:37 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 97 Transmission Quesiton


My 97 has a transmission code in the door of "E." Does anyone know
which tranny this is and is it good, bad, otherwise? Any potential
problem areas to watch out for?

Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:07:49 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

It can probably handle more than 295's
but I just wanted to know if he had a
lift on the truck.

Vaughn




No need. the 99 4x4 SD's can handle up to 295/75/16 w/out a
lift.

RS -
My friend that has 295/75/16 All terrains on 16x8 weld wheels on
a 99.5 CC 4x4 short bed 4x4 PSD noted the speedo read accurate
when compared to a GPS, but the shift points were a bit slower.

The PSD more than made up for it, and he hasn't bothered to get
the speedo re-calibrated. (he also has an auto)

I think I have instructions off the ford-diesel web site on how
to re-calibrate, so you can make sure the techs do it correctly.


- -john

Here it is the contents of the post:

Questions keep arising concerning recalibration of Super Duty
speedometers. Procedure has been covered before a long time ago
but I found it somewhat confusing myself, and I understand how
to do it. So here it is in detail directly from Special Service
Message 11789 &11790, as mentioned in another post. Mine was
performed before delivery, as 295s were put on before delivery.
It takes about 10 minutes. And for those that feel being within
10% is fine, that may be with a standard trans,

but I wouldn't recommend it with an auto.

Here it is right off OASIS on 7/29/99:

Some Technicians have reported difficulty reprogramming the ABS
Module on the 1999 Super Duty Truck. The following is a quick
outline: 1) Ensure all harness connections are connected to the
ABS module.
2) Using the NGS and Version 3.2 or Higher of the service card
plug into the
DCL connector.
3) Turn Key on with Engine off.
4) Select
5) Select or depending on vehicles
ABS option.
6) Select .
7) Select . If tire size is not listed use Formula
of: 63360 Divided

by the
Circumference of tire measure in inches. Add (2) zeros in front
of the solution.

Enter this
number into the NGS as the Revs Per Mile Figure.
8) Select and verify 00120 is programmed in. 9)
Select and press Trigger. 10) Select and
press Trigger. 11) Press (Numeric 8 Button) and the
Module will be programmed. 12) Recheck Speedometer accuracy.

Just in case a tech gives someone a hard time when you ask them
to do this, Circumference is 2Pi times the Radius or 2Pi(r)

Pi=3.1416

Mine worked out to 00602 for 295(33.5 diameter) BFG's
Radius being 16.75" ideally, BFG also gives a static diameter
based on the
sidewall squishing a little, but I used ideal.

63360/2Pi(16.75")=
63360/105.24335=
602, then add 2 zeros for 00602
------------------
2000 F250 CC,SB,4X4,White,Lariat, loaded,BFG 295/75/16s on 16x8
Weld Outback rims, Glasstite Classic Cap and Stainless tube
steps.


Vaughn (VDB) wrote:

> Do you have a lift kit on it?
>
> Vaughn
>
> well i will have to toot my horn the F250SD 4x4 really looks
> tough now after the addition of 4 285/75/16s BFG mud terrains
> this morning i am goign on a trip this afternoon so i will
> have a better reading then but they feel great so far, not as
> noisy as i thought they would be, no more problems in the
> woods for me! will get some pics this weekend and scan them
> when i get back. Fit seems to be good and plenty of
> clearance.
>
> BTW : how are you guys getting speedo recal, how much is it
> costing?
>
> RS
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:23:30 EDT
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

I have a new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4X4 Supercab with a short bed. I'm trying to
decide which bedliner will be best for my truck. I'd like it to have the
ability to secure the cargo. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that the Tuffliner
might be a good choice. Also, I'd like to buy a liner online and install it
myself. Does anyone know of a source that sells them reasonably? I live in
New York.

Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:27:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

>
> I have a new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4X4 Supercab with a short bed. I'm trying to
> decide which bedliner will be best for my truck. I'd like it to have the
> ability to secure the cargo. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that the Tuffliner
> might be a good choice. Also, I'd like to buy a liner online and install it
> myself. Does anyone know of a source that sells them reasonably? I live in
> New York.
>
> Thanks,
> Russ
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I have been happy with the Duraliner. It has bumps in the center to keep
cargo from slipping around, drains water well, and has notches for boards
when you want to separate loads. It has survived quite well, getting no
damage after tons of furniture moving.

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:58:20 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

Russ,

I would recommend that you look at some of the spray in liners. I had a
Rhino Lining in my 97 F150 and it worked out very well. Loads don't shift
and the surface is VERY durable.

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Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 8:24 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice


I have a new 2000 F-150 Lariat 4X4 Supercab with a short bed. I'm trying to
decide which bedliner will be best for my truck. I'd like it to have the
ability to secure the cargo. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that the
Tuffliner
might be a good choice. Also, I'd like to buy a liner online and install it
myself. Does anyone know of a source that sells them reasonably? I live in
New York.

Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:08:08 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 285s look tough!

In a message dated 10/22/99 5:10:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wolf enter.net
writes:

no lift, this is stock XLT wheels, i will be going with tuffcountry, front
leveling kit in a bit in case i ever want to put a winch or big texas style
bumper on it.

RS


Date: 10/22/99 5:10:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: wolf enter.net (Vaughn (VDB))
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Do you have a lift kit on it?

Vaughn



well i will have to toot my horn the F250SD 4x4 really looks
tough now after the addition of 4 285/75/16s BFG mud terrains
this morning i am goign on a trip this afternoon so i will have
a better reading then but they feel great so far, not as noisy
as i thought they would be, no more problems in the woods for
me! will get some pics this weekend and scan them when i get
back. Fit seems to be good and plenty of clearance.

BTW : how are you guys getting speedo recal, how much is it
costing?

RS
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:09:04 -0700
From: Ralph Lindberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

Personally I prefer the spray-in bed liners. The drop in liners rub on
the truck bed and polish the paint away, giving a spot for the rust to
start.
The spray-in don't have that problem, several are warranted for life

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:26:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

>
>
> Personally I prefer the spray-in bed liners. The drop in liners rub on
> the truck bed and polish the paint away, giving a spot for the rust to
> start.
> The spray-in don't have that problem, several are warranted for life

Do they get soft in hot climates (spray-ons, that is.)

PS: I like your .sig.

>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:18:46 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice

Once the spray on liners cure they aren't affected by climatic changes. I
know with the Rhino Lining the only compound that will affect it is brake
fluid. It won't break it down but it will soften it. However, simply wiping
up the liquid and letting it air dry will re-cure it to it's original state.

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bedliner Choice


>
>
> Personally I prefer the spray-in bed liners. The drop in liners rub on
> the truck bed and polish the paint away, giving a spot for the rust to
> start.
> The spray-in don't have that problem, several are warranted for life

Do they get soft in hot climates (spray-ons, that is.)

PS: I like your .sig.

>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>
>
>
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